Poll of the Day > disney is being sued. by scarlett johanson.

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Fam_Fam posted...

they aren't obligated to renegotiate.

Then they would be obligated to the current contract which (supposedly) secured theater exclusivity.

Also from what I read Disney did renegotiate with stars of Jungle Cruise, so the refusal to work with Scarlett isn't gonna hold up.

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How is this an argument?

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Disney went for the jugular with the response

"The lawsuit is especially sad and distressing in its callous disregard for the horrific and prolonged global effects of the COVID-19 pandemic."

Like, god damn, that's a brilliant play. Sad how well "this uppity woman only cares about herself" is about to work in the court of public opinion

honkzilla posted...

Disney went for the jugular with the response

"The lawsuit is especially sad and distressing in its callous disregard for the horrific and prolonged global effects of the COVID-19 pandemic."

lmao that argument would be all well and good save for the fact that they refused to renegotiate her contract. They had an opportunity to address this head on and they balked


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honkzilla posted...

Disney went for the jugular with the response

"The lawsuit is especially sad and distressing in its callous disregard for the horrific and prolonged global effects of the COVID-19 pandemic."

Like, god damn, that's a brilliant play. Sad how well "this uppity woman only cares about herself" is about to work in the court of public opinion

Had to go on an alt to make this incel comment? Cowardly.

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Far-Queue posted...

lmao that argument would be all well and good save for the fact that they refused to renegotiate her contract. They had an opportunity to address this head on and they balked

Doesn't much matter, they put that statement out to impugn her in the court of public opinion and it's gonna work. We all know this case is going to settlement more likely than not anyway

EvilMegas posted...

Had to go on an alt to make this incel comment? Cowardly.

What in the fuck are you babbling about dude

honkzilla posted...

Disney went for the jugular with the response

"The lawsuit is especially sad and distressing in its callous disregard for the horrific and prolonged global effects of the COVID-19 pandemic."

Like, god damn, that's a brilliant play. Sad how well "this uppity woman only cares about herself" is about to work in the court of public opinion

Reminder that the only reason Black Widow came out ~5 years too late in the middle of a pandemic is because Disney/Marvel previously had a "Female/minority superheroes can't make money" philosophy that has since been revealed, which effectively tainted Black Widow's place in the MCU permanently.

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Please don't answer it(the alt) seriously.

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Blighboy posted...

Reminder that the only reason Black Widow came out ~5 years too late in the middle of a pandemic is because Disney/Marvel previously had a "Female/minority superheroes can't make money" philosophy that has since been revealed, which effectively tainted Black Widow's place in the MCU permanently.

Yeah the way Disney has handled this solo movie start to finish makes me wonder if it's just a misogynistic culture at the company or if like some producer or whatever at Disney has a grudge against her

They've publicly botched so much in getting this movie off the ground, it's crazy

Fam_Fam posted...

they aren't obligated to renegotiate.

There are if they want to break the original contract with no repercussions

honkzilla posted...

Doesn't much matter, they put that statement out to impugn her in the court of public opinion and it's gonna work.

Not necessarily. She could still come out on top
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Yeah I've seen nothing but mockery in regards to Disney's "but covid19" deflection, but I might be looking on biased circles.

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idk theatres seems like a stupid idea atm

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LinkPizza posted...

There are if they want to break the original contract with no repercussions

Not necessarily. She could still come out on top

They gave everyone who already hates her for whatever incel reasons a socially-acceptable talking point plus everyone who still has a hair-trigger fear response to the word covid is gonna view her negatively now

Don't get me wrong this isn't gonna decimate her support but it will dissuade those who might have been on her side, keep in mind how prevalent "you're a selfish piece of shit regarding covid" has been over the last year and how effective it's been in splitting people into camps

honkzilla posted...

They gave everyone who already hates her for whatever incel reasons a socially-acceptable talking point plus everyone who still has a hair-trigger fear response to the word covid is gonna view her negatively now

Don't get me wrong this isn't gonna decimate her support but it will dissuade those who might have been on her side, keep in mind how prevalent "you're a selfish piece of shit regarding covid" has been over the last year and how effective it's been in splitting people into camps

You can loom at this topic to see why it wont work. The majority in just this topic doesnt care what Disney said. Veedrock- even mention that they have seen nothing but mockery about that. So, it seems like that wont sway most average people, tbh Not to mention that I think most people probably like her more than Disney So, I dont think it will sway many people from her side to Disney
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Grendel Prime posted...

I see what people are saying about her status. She's wealthy, and at her level of wealth she'll live a comfortable life with or without that money.

But wage theft is a very real and alarmingly common problem. Doesn't solely affect millionaires. One can relate to, or show concern for, the issue she's facing without worrying about the highly unlikely chance that her stolen wages will leave her poor and starving.

While the problem she's facing won't disrupt her life in the way that it would someone making minimum wage and struggling to keep a roof over their head, it's good to see her fighting for what she's owed and putting this issue in the news to shed more light on it.

An article about some shitty manager not paying out overtime to a handful of relative nobodies isn't going to get the attention this is. I would prefer the opposite to be true, but if this opens the door to getting people to discuss wage theft, then I'll take it.

Would be nice if she used this situation as an opportunity to act as a representative for those going through this who don't have the platform she does, who are battling wage theft without the resources she has to fight for themselves. But instead of dismissing those discussing this issue, or writing her off simply because she doesn't need the money, we should be focusing on how her situation connects with us, as opposed to how her wealth creates this disconnect.

At the end of the day, she's an employee fighting for money she's owed, from a company that is more than capable of affording to pay her.

What a terrible take.

This is going to have zero impact on wage theft for the poors.

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Veedrock- posted...

Hypocrites.

No, except millionaires. Because fuck them, they ruin society for the rest of us.

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LinkPizza posted...

You can loom at this topic to see why it wont work

If you think this board is anywhere even close to representative of the general public in terms of opinions and attitudes, you need to get the fuck off this site and go find some real-life people to talk to for a month or so until you regain a sense of what people are actually like

MeteoricBurst posted...

That's the part I don't get. People not defending Scarlett position or even bashing her because she rich already, and supposedly greedy. But still shilling for greedy Disney. Yknow, the soulless mega corp whose resources make her look like a peasant. People should be payed what they're owed, it doesn't matter how rich they are already. I'll never understand corporate worship.

I am not shilling for Disney. Fuck them, too.

This is a dispute over more money than any of us will ever see, between wealthy people who are totally detached from the reality of common Americans.


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wydrah posted...

No, except millionaires. Because fuck them, they ruin society for the rest of us.

Millionaires aren't even that wealthy these days dude

My household net worth was pretty close to a mil last I checked and I'm definitely not living like some robber baron king or anything even close to it

Adjust your sense of scale

Krazy_Kirby posted...
Krazy_Kirby posted...

she would be hotter if she were an actual redhead

Men going out of their way to insult women that don't know they exist

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honkzilla posted...

Millionaires aren't even that wealthy these days dude

My household net worth was pretty close to a mil last I checked and I'm definitely not living like some robber baron king or anything even close to it

Adjust your sense of scale

Stop fucking around and read how many millions we're talking. Or are you really going to argue that she is middle class? Lmao get real

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Plus, having a house worth a million is not what I'm talking about. Come back to be when you have a million in liquid assets and then I will tell you that you mean nothing to me because of it (:

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wydrah posted...

are you really going to argue that she is middle class

Feel absolutely free to quote me saying anything even sort of like this lol

If you acknowledge she is wealthy, then we are on the same page and don't need to nitpick my use of "millionaire." You know what I mean :)

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wydrah posted...

Plus, having a house worth a million is not what I'm talking about. Come back to be when you have a million in liquid assets and then I will tell you that you mean nothing to me because of it (:

We rent because my job moves me around from time to time lol most of that is in retirement investments

Pretty fucked up that you think it's acceptable to write off someone else's humanity just for doing better than you at attaining and maintaining wealth but hey I guess that's what bitterness does to a person

Maybe someday you'll be able to adopt an internal locus of control and you'll resent being outperformed less, who knows

honkzilla posted...

If you think this board is anywhere even close to representative of the general public in terms of opinions and attitudes, you need to get the fuck off this site and go find some real-life people to talk to for a month or so until you regain a sense of what people are actually like

It probably is. I cant say anything about everybody. But many people I talk to on here are pretty normal. I talk to some on discord. And I talk to some through PM. This board it pretty tame to many other places. Just because people have quirks, gimmicks, and joke around a bunch doesnt mean they arent normal in real life. I mean, I barely use ellipsis in real life That said, you can just ask normal people outside of here. And its not only here. Veedrock- mentioned the mockery. I mean, nothing you said has changed my stance. Ive personally seen (here and in real life) are people who are mostly against Disney. Only a few people here are in Disneys side. And I havent seen it in real life yet So, getting off this site just makes me believe more that the average person agrees with with Scarlett. I think youre the one who needs to see what the real world is like. Because what you said about people switching to Disney because not what they said is just nonsense
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honkzilla posted...

We rent because my job moves me around from time to time lol most of that is in retirement investments

Pretty fucked up that you think it's acceptable to write off someone else's humanity just for doing better than you at attaining and maintaining wealth but hey I guess that's what bitterness does to a person

Maybe someday you'll be able to adopt an internal locus of control and you'll resent being outperformed less, who knows

Our society is not meritocratic, and if it were it would still be unjust. What I care about are the poor.

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Only people defending Disney on this thread are just clearly women haters.

streamofthesky posted...

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/jun/17/scarlett-johansson-criticises- hypersexualisation-black-widow-iron-man-2

Having muscular shirtless dudes in literally every MCU movie and Captain America admiring his own ass is cool, but GOD FORBID that evil "male gaze" get to enjoy something.
Of course, she complains now that her character is killed off and she's done making money off the MCU. It was totally fine back when it launched her to mega stardom and allowed her to make shit loads of money.
I had wanted a Black Widow movie for years, thought she should have one of her own, ideally w/ Hawkeye tagging along. But after that? Boycotting it. A lot of people are. If the marketing budget was about equal to the production costs (the typical rule, and likely fair here since w/ the pandemic delay they had to advertise it twice), then it's barely made anything over its costs so far.

(she also misquoted what Stark said to make it sound worse)

Neat. I didn't know Lost in Translation is part of the MCU.

Fam_Fam posted...

so you'd lose thousands and thousands of dollars for the privilege of proving to someone else they were wrong in a dispute?

You thought you had a point since you never actually read that post.
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wydrah posted...

This is going to have zero impact on wage theft for the poors.

If we lived in a vacuum, maybe.

Were she to win the case, the decision could go a long way in establishing presedence in not allowing employers to use the pandemic as an excuse to ignore a contract or otherwise steal wages from those in their employ.

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I hope she is doing this as a screw you disney, but also for other actors where this will happen with all the other upcoming MCU movies.

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Grendel Prime posted...

If we lived in a vacuum, maybe.

Were she to win the case, the decision could go a long way in establishing presedence in not allowing employers to use the pandemic as an excuse to ignore a contract or otherwise steal wages from those in their employ.

Labor law is already established and labor unions do the important work of advancing these rights. We don't need to cheer on someone with a net worth of over $150 million--who is arguing her net worth should be over $200 million--to be our champion. Not that people who are picking sides in this have labor law in mind. They're fanboying one wealthy side over the other wealthy side.

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wydrah posted...

No, except millionaires. Because fuck them, they ruin society for the rest of us.

So when a franchise makes billions, its contributors should still make average wages? Think dude, these millionaires you hate so much are still only making a fraction of what they're earning somebody else.

If you think entry level employees deserve 7 bucks an hour then fine, that's consistent, but you can't both argue for fair wages and rally against the entertainment pay scale.

Revelation34 posted...

You thought you had a point since you never actually read that post.

He ignored that Lok's point was in principle but Fam does have a point in reality. Court costs are not cheap, you have to win before you can get them reimbursed, and a contingency lawyer won't work for a dollar.

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wydrah posted...

Stop fucking around and read how many millions we're talking. Or are you really going to argue that she is middle class? Lmao get real

Scarlett is much closer in wealth to the average person than she is to a billionaire. Nevermind a multi billion power brand like Disney.

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honkzilla posted...

Yeah the way Disney has handled this solo movie start to finish makes me wonder if it's just a misogynistic culture at the company or if like some producer or whatever at Disney has a grudge against her

They've publicly botched so much in getting this movie off the ground, it's crazy

it's not misogynistic to realize female solo super hero movies tend to not do as well they are there to make money.

makes about as much sense as the dumb ghostbusters reboot calling people misogynist if they didn't see their crappy movie.
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MeteoricBurst posted...

Scarlett is much closer in wealth to the average person than she is to a billionaire. Nevermind a multi billion power brand like Disney.

She has a net worth of over $150 million.

This is the bullshit I'm talking about. She is not just like us.

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wydrah posted...

She has a net worth of over $150 million.

This is the bullshit I'm talking about. She is not just like us.

That's still much closer to someone who's flat broke than it is to a super rich person or mega corp. Nevermind middle class or whatever. Learn basic math. I never said she's just like us. Indeed, if Disney can do this to someone high profile like her and get away with it, imagine what they can do to anybody else working for them. That's the point. They shouldn't be allowed to set a precedent because then no one could fight them in court later.

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wydrah posted...

Labor law is already established and labor unions do the important work of advancing these rights.

Right.

Disney allegedly violated her contract and under those already established rights she is encouraged to fight for what she's owed.

The outcome of her case could still establish presedence, one way or the other, in regards to using the pandemic as a defense.

We don't need to cheer on someone with a net worth of over $150 million--who is arguing her net worth should be over $200 million--to be our champion. Not that people who are picking sides in this have labor law in mind. They're fanboying one wealthy side over the other wealthy side.

As I mentioned, it's not so simple as picking a wealthy person over an uberwealthy megacorporation, or vice versa. It directly relates to issues many people face every day.

No, we don't need to cheer on anyone. Commenting on the case is not cheering anyone on, per se. I don't give a flip about her or Disney on a personal level. But *if* she was wronged here, then as an American living under those established labor laws, I hope full-well she wins her case. Not because it will make an already wealthy person even wealthier, but because of how it relates to the rest of us.


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MeteoricBurst posted...

That's still much closer to someone who's flat broke than it is to a super rich person or mega corp. Nevermind middle class or whatever. Learn basic math. I never said she's just like us. Indeed, if Disney can do this to someone high profile like her and get away with it, imagine what they can do to anybody else working for them. That's the point. They shouldn't be allowed to set a precedent because then no one could fight them in court later.

Your argument is ridiculous. I'm much closer to being homeless than being a millionaire, but I am not homeless, I'm unqualified to represent the homeless, and I should not be seen as even homeless-adjacent. It is ridiculous af to compare the millions of families who live paycheck to paycheck to someone with a net worth of $150 million "because she's not a billionaire." Lmao what the actual fuck

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wydrah posted...

Your argument is ridiculous. I'm much closer to being homeless than being a millionaire, but I am not homeless, I'm unqualified to represent the homeless, and I should not be seen as even homeless-adjacent. It is ridiculous af to compare the millions of families who live paycheck to paycheck to someone with a net worth of $150 million "because she's not a billionaire." Lmao what the actual fuck

I like how you latched onto that and ignored the bad court precedent part. Those "paycheck to paycheck" people have no hopes if it someone like Scarlett can't win when she has actual good grounds. Get real.

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Grendel Prime posted...

Right.

Disney allegedly violated her contract and under those already established rights she is encouraged to fight for what she's owed.

The outcome of her case could still establish presedence, one way or the other, in regards to using the pandemic as a defense.

As I mentioned, it's not so simple as picking a wealthy person over an uberwealthy megacorporation, or vice versa. It directly relates to issues many people face every day.

No, we don't need to cheer on anyone. Commenting on the case is not cheering anyone on, per se. I don't give a flip about her or Disney on a personal level. But *if* she was wronged here, then as an American living under those established labor laws, I hope full-well she wins her case. Not because it will make an already wealthy person even wealthier, but because of how it relates to the rest of us.

I agree with you that the court should fairly hear the case. I'm not saying this should not go to trial or that one of them is not legally right. What I'm saying is I'm disgusted by the working class who fetishize the ultra wealthy. You're probably the only one who actually cares about the legal ramifications. Everyone else wants Scarlett to suffer or wants Disney to suffer or wants Black Widow to win her last fight. Our society is obsessed with capitalistic propaganda and it shows in how readily this legal case becomes a cultural issue. Fuck the rich.

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MeteoricBurst posted...

I like how you latched onto that and ignored the bad court precedent part. Those "paycheck to paycheck" people have no hopes if it someone like Scarlett can't win when she has actual good grounds. Get real.

Um, our capitalistic society is broken, and multimillionaires going to court is not what is going to save it. What's going to save society is stripping the ultra wealthy of their riches, redistributing that wealth among the working class, busting up monopolies, regulating corporations, building up labor unions, investing in the common good (public education, healthcare, childcare, retirement, safety nets), and (most importantly) combatting climate change.

Scarlett winning this case is not going to change society. We need radical change.

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wydrah posted...

Um, our capitalistic society is broken, and multimillionaires going to court is not what is going to save it. What's going to save society is stripping the ultra wealthy of their riches, redistributing that wealth among the working class, busting up monopolies, regulating corporations, building up labor unions, investing in the common good (public education, healthcare, childcare, retirement, safety nets), and (most importantly) combatting climate change.

Scarlett winning this case is not going to change society. We need radical change.

Guess you didn't take my get real comment to heart. Also funny how you said the other guy is the only one concerned about the legal fallout when I and others mentioned that. In the same posts you quoted from me talk about that but instead you fly off on other tangents not the topic at hand. YOU are the one that actually doesn't care about the legal ramifications. Just looking for a stick to beat "the rich man" (in this case woman) with. Stop the lame posturing please.

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wydrah posted...

She has a net worth of over $150 million.

This is the bullshit I'm talking about. She is not just like us.

That doesn't matter. If she is owed money, she deserves every penny she's owed. What she earns or what she has in her bank account or owns as assets does not matter.

If you want to argue that actors or musicians or athletes or whatever earn too much, that's separate argument.

Under the current rules of the world, she had a contract that guaranteed her a sum of money under certain conditions. All your pissing and moaning about her and Disney's accumulated wealth amounts to bunk bruh


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MeteoricBurst posted...

Guess you didn't take my get real comment to heart. Also funny how you said the other guy is the only one concerned about the legal fallout when I and others mentioned that. In the same posts you quoted from me talk about that but instead you fly off on other tangents not the topic at hand. YOU are the one that actually doesn't care about the legal ramifications. Just looking for a stick to beat "the rich man" (in this case woman) with. Stop the lame posturing please.

I obviously didn't literally mean he's the only person in the entire world who cares about legal ramifications. I was being hyperbolic to communicate how much in the minority he is among people who would pay attention to this story and feel strongly about it.

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Far-Queue posted...

That doesn't matter. If she is owed money, she deserves every penny she's owed. What she earns or what she has in her bank account or owns as assets does not matter.

If you want to argue that actors or musicians or athletes or whatever earn too much, that's separate argument.

Under the current rules of the world, she had a contract that guaranteed her a sum of money under certain conditions. All your pissing and moaning about her and Disney's accumulated wealth amounts to bunk bruh

Again, I agree that she is owed money according to her contract.

My argument is there are plenty of legal cases out there that do focus directly on poor people. But this story will get more attention because it's about a rich person, which our capitalistic society fetishizes. Is this up for debate? I think it's pretty obvious why this case will get more attention.

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honkzilla posted...

Yeah the way Disney has handled this solo movie start to finish makes me wonder if it's just a misogynistic culture at the company or if like some producer or whatever at Disney has a grudge against her

They've publicly botched so much in getting this movie off the ground, it's crazy

It was literally an express view of the Marvel leadership pre-Feige that women couldn't lead super hero movies, I believe there were leaked emails a few years ago covering this. They missed the peak of Black Widow's popularity and relevance because of it.

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I feel like they tried to overcorrect with Captain Marvel. Certainly not the worst MCU movie imo but it was pretty forgettable and a lot of elements felt like pandering.

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Mead posted...

I feel like they tried to overcorrect with Captain Marvel. Certainly not the worst MCU movie imo but it was pretty forgettable and a lot of elements felt like pandering.

The overcorrection wasn't all the female superheroes conveniently showing up at exactly the same time to make a united stand in Endgame?

Or maybe it was an undercorrection since it's was such a lazily, hamhanded "attempt" at inclusion...

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Mead posted...

I feel like they tried to overcorrect with Captain Marvel. Certainly not the worst MCU movie imo but it was pretty forgettable and a lot of elements felt like pandering.

For what it's worth anecdotally, my wife adored Captain Marvel and liked Black Widow a lot more than I did (and has called Wonder Woman the best super hero movie ever). I think there's truth to the idea that (all else being equal) women enjoy watching films with female protagonists more and men enjoy films with male protagonists more, especially when one of those two demographics has been starved.

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wydrah posted...

Again, I agree that she is owed money according to her contract.

My argument is there are plenty of legal cases out there that do focus directly on poor people. But this story will get more attention because it's about a rich person, which our capitalistic society fetishizes. Is this up for debate? I think it's pretty obvious why this case will get more attention.

Nevermind all this shit it's time to ask the real questions:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/79584258


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