Current Events > What is your opinion on Super Smash Brothers Melee?

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I think it's the greatest game ever made because of its unparalleled movement, layers of strategy, fun engine, and a constantly upward skill ceiling. I also owe it for helping me meet some of the best people in my life.

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One of my 10 fav games ever

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Great game, but I've moved on from it.

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Best smash game

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It's crazy how good it is.

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Stronger than ever!

There are some things future Smash games would have trouble getting right, but if future games would just let movement be good on its own Melee would've died long ago. Like Ultimate could just implement momentum based jumps, dash dancing, cleaner platform drops - and it'd be MUCH better. Until a future Smash game lets the movement just work, viva la melee.

Also, almost every character in Melee feels good to play. From Marth and Fox to Pichu and Bowser, almost every character has something to make them fun. Ultimate really lacks that aspect, it's almost the opposite. I don't get why it's so hard to get EITHER Falcon or Jiggs anywhere close to being right, but only Melee (and 64, actually) do it.

Also, best online by far!

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Never played it.
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Great game, but the competitive scene with some characters (Puff, Yoshi, Marth) can make it a bore to watch. Every smash game has that I suppose though.

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It's an old video game that only sad people still play.

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Godnorgosh posted...

The best version of Marth and Falco, but ultimately I prefer 64 for its combos and extreme punish game, and its version of Pikachu, Kirby and Falcon

You're crazy lol. 64 is nuts. I feel like the lack of defensive play makes it kinda stale.

ChocoboMog123 posted...

Stronger than ever!

There are some things future Smash games would have trouble getting right, but if future games would just let movement be good on its own Melee would've died long ago. Like Ultimate could just implement momentum based jumps, dash dancing, cleaner platform drops - and it'd be MUCH better. Until a future Smash game lets the movement just work, viva la melee.

Also, almost every character in Melee feels good to play. From Marth and Fox to Pichu and Bowser, almost every character has something to make them fun. Ultimate really lacks that aspect, it's almost the opposite. I don't get why it's so hard to get EITHER Falcon or Jiggs anywhere close to being right, but only Melee (and 64, actually) do it.

Also, best online by far!

Yeah, if PM was the legit version we got when Brawl came out, Melee would've died. What I don't get is that Nintendo is very good at movement in all of their games, but they specifically nerf it for Smash just to not be like Melee. Every Smash game since Melee has gotten the movement better and better but they still artificially limit the movement for no reason.

I do think Ultimate Pichu and Bowser feel better than their Melee counterparts. It's one thing to be in Melee's engine but also it needs the right balance of reward for it to feel satisfying, and in Melee there's no reward to their chars other than the fact that they are low tier lol

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Kavatar posted...

It's an old video game that only sad people still play.

Hell yeah brother, sad till I die

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Fantastic game, but surpassed by Ultimate.

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It's a great game but there's no point playing it any more afai'm concerned and I don't get the modern obsession with it when we have newer ones with much more to enjoy.

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It's the best smash game to watch. I like watching it over a lot of other games. GunZ is another good one to watch for me, but there aren't that many videos on it.

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Its my second favorite videogame ever and probably the one i've played the most. Haven't played it in years. I miss it. Haven't really gotten to play smash in forever.

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PMarth2002 posted...

Its my second favorite videogame ever and probably the one i've played the most. Haven't played it in years. I miss it. Haven't really gotten to play smash in forever.

Slippi is pretty sick, you should try it

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Meh labeling as weirdo competitive wavedasher is a little too much. Everyone has fun in different ways.

The problems I have with Ultimate are that some of the matchups are just incredibly grindy since there are a lot of campy chars and no real way to keep the momentum on (Snake, Duck Hunt, Young Link, Wii Fit, Pac Man, Villager, etc). Also playing offstage feels less dynamic, like everyone can recover way better so it doesn't feel tense when people are off stage. I also wish there was more reward for winning an interaction. In Melee, if you win one interaction you get to keep going, but in Ultimate, the game kind of makes you reset to nothing. Ultimately my main gripe is just movement. It feels clunky and doesn't feel natural. There's a buffer system where you can press buttons before things happen and then the game remembers and does them once it's able to. If any other game did this, like even Mario Odyssey, I'd have huge problems with it. C stick counts as [direction + A] in Ultimate whereas in Melee it just does the move. Meaning, if you jump with Ganon and do down C stick, in Melee, he'll rise while doing the stomp, but in Ultimate, he'll fall while doing the stomp since C stick is inputting down. In Melee, your dash is determined 1:1 by your analog stick, but in Ultimate, it's a set distance every time. These are just some examples and I don't feel like getting into other scenarios, but overall movement is very rigid and constrained comparatively. Not to mention just the general reward of getting a hit being different.

What makes Melee so fun is that your character does literally exactly what you do, like down to the analog stick angle, to how long you hold the button, to the frame, etc, and that there's no way to always do the right thing, you just have to adapt to the craziness and do what you think is best.

I think Ultimate is the next best official Smash, but it needs more, or rather, less restrictions on what you can do.

Also, even in competitive Melee, we still appreciate the random chaos of the Smash engine, expressing yourself in different and fun/cool ways and doing hype moves, and that it's all fun characters and stages and stuff. It's not one or the other, like either competitive or fun. It's both.

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Brawl is what Melee failed to be

A masterpiece

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it great when it first came out.

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It gave us Project M, I cant b mad

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It still holds up, but has been surpassed several times over.

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There was a tournament a week and a half ago with a $140k pot. Probably had the greatest grand finals set ever also, it was insane

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Hayame Zero posted...

It still holds up, but has been surpassed several times over.

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Master Kazuya posted...

unparalleled movement

with all the platform fighters there are these days i wonder how true this is anymore

that said i love watching melee tournaments

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@Turbam HATES melee

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Walking home, and some guy bumps into me and instantly starts chatting shit to my face about marth being the best character. I tried to stay calm and explained to him that actually fox was the best character, but he wouldn't take a hint. He started throwing around words like 'f-smash' and I lost it. Punched him right in his marth loving face. I hate marth so much.

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Choco posted...

with all the platform fighters there are these days i wonder how true this is anymore

Other games have good movement too, but Melee has a sort of unintended layer above it all, like Smash DI being as influential as it is, platform drops, how hard you press the shield button mattering with how far you slide after getting hit, being able to angle your shield being important, moving while in shield after getting hit (I didn't even know about this for years, called shield DI), wavedash angles, and so forth.

Games like Rivals have really good base movement but Melee's mechanics let you master some form of movement pretty much no matter what's going on.

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Billyionaire posted...

Best smash game

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I never was able to beat those damn event matches. I hate fighters.
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Master Kazuya posted...

Other games have good movement too, but Melee has a sort of unintended layer above it all, like Smash DI being as influential as it is, platform drops, how hard you press the shield button mattering with how far you slide after getting hit, being able to angle your shield being important, moving while in shield after getting hit (I didn't even know about this for years, called shield DI), wavedash angles, and so forth.

Games like Rivals have really good base movement but Melee's mechanics let you master some form of movement pretty much no matter what's going on.

hmm good point

though i actually dislike some things like sdi lol

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Captain_Qwark posted...

It's probably the best example of how you should do single player content for fighting games.

If it's just a bunch of standard battles in a row, you put 0 effort into the game.

Trophies, adventure mode, break the targets, home run contest and more. So much to do.

Yeah that's a good point, there's a lot of fun single player content. And I also like that it's all short and sweet. Brawl's Subspace and Path of Light for Ultimate (or w/e it's called) is so grindy and soulless. Melee's adventure mode is pretty cool, like it's just inherently cool to be Samus and shooting missiles at Goombas. And idk why they took out individual target tests.

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Mediocre and overrated compared to the other games in the series.

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So many good memories

sull56ivan2010 posted...

Mediocre and overrated compared to the other games in the series.

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Though less expansive than Ultimate and Brawl, Melee's gameplay stands the test of time for being insanely fun, technical, and rewarding. I still play as often as I can and I can't wait for my locals to come back.

And in my opinion, the best smash game to play competitively.

Melee > Ult > PM/+ > 4

Never played 64 competitive but casual is fun.

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Unless Sakurai is out of developing the series, Melee will always be the best title in it.

The game is crack.

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Amazing

but

Ultimate has Ridley & Evil Mario & all sorts of cool stuff like that

Best Smash game but also might be the worst Smash community

Srk700 posted...

Best Smash game but also might be the worst Smash community

nah that's Ult easily

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Blbmbr666 posted...

nah that's Ult easily

isn't the ult community literally just the smash 4 community minus some bad people

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It's got the best single player of all of em I feel. Fun game

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it's objectively the deepest game in the series but I watch it way more than i play it tbh.

i'd really like the next smash game to incorporate more of the things that make melee so dynamic. it almost feels like with each smash game since brawl has been trying to have faster gameplay but with a more traditional "fighting game" combo system, which i think is a shame. melee's stronger emphasis on DI is one of the biggest reasons it's so interesting

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Seems too mashy imo. Just moving around at a high level is like 150+ apm lol. Difficult pace for me.

Still not as mashy as star craft tho but tbf that is done on a keyboard

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Played by weirdos who dont even like items on, like wtf.

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