Current Events > Name an old game that hasn't been 'topped' yet

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DuranOfForcena posted...

oh, if we're thinking outside the box of videogames here, then definitely MTG as well

Honestly, I'd argue this. The only reason MTG is so good is because it's been around longer than literally any active game and so there's so much variety. If we're talking about stuff they're actively putting out, others are doing it better.

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s0nicfan posted...

So I went and double-checked, and in zero 1 maintaining s rank just causes all the bosses to use a special s rank attack against you. If you can beat the whole game with s rank you get a special cyber elf that, if leveled up all the way, gives you a move that grants you temporary invincibility.

It isn't until the later games that you start getting actual rewards.

Ooooooh ok then

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I cant think of any tbh i forget my impressions of most games i played

Ill just give New Vegas a mention since i replayed that a bunch of times

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FFT was genre defining but I'd say the new X-com games are probably just as good or better.

For single player FPS games Farcry 2 had some really excellent immersive stuff that hasn't been topped since, I'll concede it had some game breaking problems too though.

Eternal Darkness on the gamecube.

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like tc says splinter cell

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Someone in this topic really said FF4.

Lol.
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MrMallard posted...

I haven't played Zero yet either, at least not to such a serious degree. I gave it a try as a teenager but I didn't take to it.

Once I finish the X series I'm thinking of getting the Z legacy collection, though. From what I hear though, the original Z game is incredibly unforgiving and kind of obtuse with its checkpoints, saving and mechanics. But that's neither here nor there.

You will be fine in the legacy collection. You can play the Zero games with added checkpoints.

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One_Day_Remains posted...

Someone in this topic really said FF4.

Lol.

To me it's pound for pound the best. It isnt the most amazing but its the only one i cant make a valid complaint about something in it gameplay/mechanics wise. Well 5 I can't really either but 4 at least had a ok story too.

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Darkseed II changed gaming forever. The creators knew that they couldn't top it so they didn't even make a mother fuggin' sequel.

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Planescape: Torment
System Shock 2


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Capcom vs snk 2 in my humble opinion as far as fighters go. Note I only played with friends or single player so balance doesnt fall into things I consider

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Kotor.
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Fallout 2 is the last good Fallout.

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mooreandrew58 posted...

To me it's pound for pound the best. It isnt the most amazing but its the only one i cant make a valid complaint about something in it gameplay/mechanics wise. Well 5 I can't really either but 4 at least had a ok story too.

It might be your favorite but FF6 improved on just about everything except gameplay balance. Also ff4 has several plotholes.
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Guide posted...

Fallout 2 is the last good Fallout.

Nee Vegas was great.

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The original Soul Caliber on Dreamcast remains my perfect 3D fighter

Need for Speed Underground 2?

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Dance Dance Revolution

you used to see those machines everywhere, man

ApherosyLove posted...

Need for Speed Underground 2?

Yes

mooreandrew58 posted...

Yeah I meant to say that in my initial post. Specifically the war of lions version. Only game of that genre to top tactics is tactics itself with added content like animated cutscenes

This.
Also, Tactics also has a ton of really great mods, 1.3 (the easy version, still haven't been able to get through the official 1.3 difficulty...) is arguably the most well balanced version of the game as it takes everything broken and unbreaks it, takes all the job abilities that become underwhelming over time and enhances them, then turns around and gives all the boss characters even more broken abilities and adds a shit ton of secret variant random battles that actually make you utilize a well built endgame team to have a chance.


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Xethuminra posted...

G1 Pokmon

Is this a joke post? Gen 1 was terrible

pokemon platinum

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Ivynn posted...

Chrono Trigger had a unique concept that hasn't been repeated

Radiant Historia is the closest thing we've gotten to a Chrono Trigger spiritual successor, and I would argue that it handled the time travel aspect in a much more rewarding fashion. It treated it not as a linear aspect of fate, but a series of logic gates that you choose to alter outcomes.

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One_Day_Remains posted...

It might be your favorite but FF6 improved on just about everything except gameplay balance. Also ff4 has several plotholes.

There's no plot holes in FF4 there's just things that are kinda dumb like people horribly dying on screen and then being okay a few hours later.

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Ivynn posted...

Chrono Trigger had a unique concept that hasn't been repeated

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Riev posted...

Is this a joke post? Gen 1 was terrible

Pikachu & Charizard & MewTwo are terrible?

One_Day_Remains posted...

It might be your favorite but FF6 improved on just about everything except gameplay balance. Also ff4 has several plotholes.

I know 6 is like everybodys fav 2d ff but it didn't really wow me much. Didn't like the atmosphere. The story was just ok. Didnt like the villain. Didnt like most of the characters.

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mooreandrew58 posted...

I know 6 is like everybodys fav 2d ff but it didn't really wow me much. Didn't like the atmosphere. The story was just ok. Didnt like the villain. Didnt like most of the characters.

I dunno I loved the whole idea of recruiting for your party then losing them all and having to find them all again with no restrictions on where you were allowed to go. It's the direction mass effect 2 was going in until the game just suddenly ended for no reason.

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gna647 posted...

metal gear solid 2, 3 and 4 already topped chaos theory

Those games are nothing like Chaos Theory

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Tyranthraxus posted...

There's no plot holes in FF4 there's just things that are kinda dumb like people horribly dying on screen and then being okay a few hours later.

That may be the closest thing I had to a complaint but ita how I accept someone like Cecil being able to go toe to toe with say cloud in dissidia. Those moments prove they are apparently stupid strong in just the best way a sprite based rpg could manage at the

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Tyranthraxus posted...

I dunno I loved the whole idea of recruiting for your party then losing them all and having to find them all again with no restrictions on where you were allowed to go. It's the direction mass effect 2 was going in until the game just suddenly ended for no reason.

I mean that's fine I didnt have a problem with that part but most of the playable characters are largely forgetable to me. 5. Being the only one with a more forgetable cast. Edgar and locke are about the only ones I remeber what their personality was like to a degree

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Xethuminra posted...

G1 Pokmon

I do love G1, simply because of the grittiness. I appreciate that it was a brand new concept for a video game at the time, and it's not hard to see how it was so successful.

But G2 shits on G1 in every way.

Metal_Bug posted...

I do love G1, simply because of the grittiness. I appreciate that it was a brand new concept for a video game at the time, and it's not hard to see how it was so successful.

But G2 shits on G1 in every way.

From a purely technical perspective?

I could just call the G2 bloated & be done with it, but I wont do that.

Xavier_On_High posted...

Metroid Prime.

Other than its sequels, there just hasn't been anything like it, let alone something that topped it.

It's probably a high ask, but with how long we've been waiting for Prime 4, I hope the wait is worth it and either rivals or tops the original game.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

There's no plot holes in FF4 there's just things that are kinda dumb like people horribly dying on screen and then being okay a few hours later.

Palom/Porom being stuck in petrification and unrestorable because they cast it on themselves, then suddenly being restored by the Elder at the end of the game is absolutely and inarguably a plot hole. So is Cid and Yang jumping in giant explosions and ending up being sick in bed.

The plot was not well written.
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evilpresident posted...

Tetris

This was my immediate thought, too.

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Sim City?

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Shadow of the Colossus

This was my first thought.

Second, Okami.

Third, Jump Ultimate Stars.

Mega Man Battle Network 3

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ffx turn based combat

Dark Cloud 2.

Enjoyable story, and tons of fun systems. I loved all of the fishing, geo, combat and spheda activities.

Eleventyish posted...

Dark Cloud 2.

Enjoyable story, and tons of fun systems. I loved all of the fishing, geo, combat and spheda activities.

DC2 is literally the definition of a game that has been topped. Almost every modern game has better combat, better dungeon exploring, and better base building if it focuses on any of these things.\

DC2 was great for the time.

One_Day_Remains posted...

Palom/Porom being stuck in petrification and unrestorable because they cast it on themselves, then suddenly being restored by the Elder at the end of the game is absolutely and inarguably a plot hole. So is Cid and Yang jumping in giant explosions and ending up being sick in bed.

The plot was not well written.

Those aint plot holes. That's dues ex machina shit which can be a valid complaint but it ain't a plot hole.

Those surviving explosions suddenly its apparent ffv characters are more resilient than we originally believed. The twins it simply was just soft that couldn't revive them all along.

Plot holes are when shit literally is contradicting an already established thing. Afaik. Deus ex machina afaik is when a story teller pulls some shit out of his ass to explain away something that shouldn't have been or extremely unlikely to be the case.

But yeah I just take cid and yang of being cases of they where much more resilient than we originally imagined. I mean we had no reason to believe cloud should have survived his early game fall at that point but he did and we all accepted it

It was a old school game I dont take shit like that seriously. I mean final fantasy 2 had the villain come back from death even more powerful before with little in game explanation. Everyone claims sabin can suplex a train when thats more a gameplay mechanics but fanboys take it as canon. Final fantasy is full of unrealistic things

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The Incredible Machine. Bar none the best physics game out there.

The Game.

More seriously, Lemmings is the obvious example.

EDIT: And another very good answer,
Winrawr posted...

ffx turn based combat

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Chrono Trigger and Fallout: New Vegas are obvious ones.

Star Ocean: The Second Story has honestly never been topped for me, but I'm not sure exactly what other games fall into the same category. All the other games started focusing more on combat, and less on the PA's and Skill/Item Creation system that they're practically in a different genre.

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mooreandrew58 posted...

Plot holes are when shit literally is contradicting an already established thing

That's... literally what the Palom/Porom thing is. It was established that they couldn't be saved because they petrified themselves, and randomly got saved for an unexplained reason.
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Nobody has really every done ratchet and clank better than ratchet and clank.
Don't get me started on the Jak rip off.

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One_Day_Remains posted...

That's... literally what the Palom/Porom thing is. It was established that they couldn't be saved because they petrified themselves, and randomly got saved for an unexplained reason.

Tellah couldn't save them. The Mysidian Elder is an extremely powerful white mage and knew something Tellah didn't.

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M_Live posted...

TimeSplitters 2 amount of of fun content in an FPS

Timesplitters 2 was sublime

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