Current Events > Those Republicans are KILLING DEMOCRACY. AMERICA IS DOOMED.

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Requiring a Photo ID at polling booths, just like where you need to purchase cigarettes and alcohol and drive a car.
America is doomed.

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Get ready for a flood of users explaining your "privileged" ignorance, and unfortunately also probably supporting it

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What's wrong with preventing voter fraud?

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It's not the requirement of a photo ID in a vacuum. It's that requirement alongside various policies and practices that put barriers in the way of certain groups of people obtaining IDs. In particular, if it's not possible to readily obtain a photo ID at no expense, this is a de facto poll tax and clearly unconstitutional.

Are there seriously adults without a photo ID? How would they get a job?

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YoungMan posted...

What's wrong with preventing voter fraud?

Show me any information that has linked not using IDs with increased voter fraud in the U.S. on a level that would make any difference at all...

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YoungMan posted...

What's wrong with preventing voter fraud?

What's wrong with preventing the boogie man from destroying Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory?

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MutantJohn posted...

Are there seriously adults without a photo ID? How would they get a job?

Why would you assume that every adult should have a job?

MutantJohn posted...

Are there seriously adults without a photo ID? How would they get a job?

Yes, lots, primarily older minorities. Photo I.D. laws are concealed racism. Do some reading...

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coolcono posted...

Requiring a Photo ID at polling booths, just like where you need to purchase cigarettes and alcohol and drive a car.
America is doomed.

Using the gun nuts defense, are those rights that all americans are supposed to have?

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"how hard is it to get a photo id?!"

Well its a lot harder when republicans start shutting down the motor vehicle registries in your communities (mostly the black communities for some strange reason).

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indica posted...

Do some reading...

Why do that when I can just listen to my republican dad who recaps "news" he read on Facebook while we're at the dinner table??

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tiornys posted...

It's not the requirement of a photo ID in a vacuum. It's that requirement alongside various policies and practices that put barriers in the way of certain groups of people obtaining IDs. In particular, if it's not possible to readily obtain a photo ID at no expense, this is a de facto poll tax and clearly unconstitutional.

Shadow Don posted...

"how hard is it to get a photo id?!"

Well its a lot harder when republicans start shutting down the motor vehicle registries in your communities (mostly the black communities for some strange reason).

TC and every other conservative know this already. They just like trolling and playing dumb when they're not actually being dumb.

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In topics like this, I'm posting at least as much for the benefit of lurkers as I am for the people actually making posts.

Republicans wouldn't give a damn about "voter integrity" if they were winning and there was no looming demographic change.

In some states like my home state of Texas, you can use your gun license to vote but not a student ID. Hmm...

And it's always interesting how DMV locations are getting shut down or are severely understaffed in majority black areas.

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And conservatives wonder why everyone thinks they're stupid lol

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Nothing wrong with requiring ID. If you also ensure that every single citizen gets a valid ID for free.

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Its just as hard or harder to vote for the high school class president than it is to vote for the US president, and the votes are casted in the same building for me!

I love it

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That's fine, TC. Just make photo ID free, don't shut down any DMVs, open more for convenience and to eliminate wait time, expand voting to multiple days, and put no restrictions on mail-in voting. Start research on online voting.

I have absolutely no problem with IDs and I bet you wouldn't find many people who are arguing that IDs shouldn't exist. They're just against Republicans instituting a poll tax and deliberately making it harder for people to obtain IDs or vote. They know exactly what they are doing when they shut down DMVs and polling places. It's voter suppression that they will expand if given a chance. You're falling for it.

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uwnim posted...

Nothing wrong with requiring ID. If you also ensure that every single citizen gets a valid ID for free.

That goes against the plan, you see.
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Phantom_Nook posted...

That goes against the plan, you see.

I very much understand the plan.

The plan is to put up more barrier to voting to reduce total turnout with the measures used designed to affect non-republican voters more in order to tilt things in Republican favor.

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

That's fine, TC. Just make photo ID free, don't shut down any DMVs, open more for convenience and to eliminate wait time, expand voting to multiple days, and put no restrictions on mail-in voting. Start research on online voting.

I have absolutely no problem with IDs and I bet you wouldn't find many people who are arguing that IDs shouldn't exist. They're just against Republicans instituting a poll tax and deliberately making it harder for people to obtain IDs or vote. They know exactly what they are doing when they shut down DMVs and polling places. It's voter suppression that they will expand if given a chance. You're falling for it.

This. Alabama passed a voter ID law a few years back after the supreme court gutting the voting rights act. The first thing they did after it passed was close all the License offices in the poor and black areas despite having the previous year passed a bond issue to fund those very same license offices. It's never been about protecting from fraud. Not once. It's about preventing people who don't vote for them from voting at all. TC knows this. He's just a fucking intellectually dishonest person.

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Really, I figured Republicans were killing democracy by literally getting voters killed

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

That's fine, TC. Just make photo ID free, don't shut down any DMVs, open more for convenience and to eliminate wait time, expand voting to multiple days, and put no restrictions on mail-in voting. Start research on online voting.

I have absolutely no problem with IDs and I bet you wouldn't find many people who are arguing that IDs shouldn't exist. They're just against Republicans instituting a poll tax and deliberately making it harder for people to obtain IDs or vote. They know exactly what they are doing when they shut down DMVs and polling places. It's voter suppression that they will expand if given a chance. You're falling for it.

Also even without voter ID, DMVs should be open till midnight. Never understood the DMV hours when most people work then.

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LightHawKnight posted...

Also even without voter ID, DMVs should be open till midnight. Never understood the DMV hours when most people work then.

DMV hours are another example of a subtle barrier. The less wealth you have and the less stable your employment is, the harder it is for you to take time away from normal work hours to visit the DMV. Rich office worker? Just let your boss know you'll be in a little late on Tuesday (or whatever). You might not even have to mark it as time off if you're salaried and/or can just stay late that day or another day that week. Poor worker in the service industry? Good luck not getting fired. edit: oh, and even if you have a sympathetic boss and can arrange a half day off or whatnot, can you actually afford the lost income?

indica posted...

Yes, lots, primarily older minorities. Photo I.D. laws are concealed racism. Do some reading...

Everything is racist

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coolcono posted...

Requiring a Photo ID at polling booths, just like where you need to purchase cigarettes and alcohol and drive a car.
America is doomed.

If the photo ID was completely free it wouldnt be an illegal, unconstitutional poll tax.

I wish Republicans could do better than surface level talking points.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

I wish Republicans could do better than surface level talking points.

Because if their talking points go any deeper, they fall apart.

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The GOP does tend to be on a get rid of democracy and install a right wing dictator agenda lately.

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YoungMan posted...

Everything is racist

Pretty easy for you to joke when it doesnt affect you

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Stallion_Prime posted...

Pretty easy for you to joke when it doesnt affect you

You do know these laws apply to all citizens, right?

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YoungMan posted...

Everything is racist

Good job picking out one of the few posts in the topic that don't go into depth about how these voter i.d. laws are racist so that you don't have to engage with reality. Nailed it!

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YoungMan posted...

You do know these laws apply to all citizens, right?

do you know that some laws affect certain demographics more than others? pretty crazy concept

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Notice how the naysayers don't actually engage, because they can't.

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ThyCorndog posted...

do you know that some laws affect certain demographics more than others? pretty crazy concept

They don't know anything except the lies they are told.

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I saw a whole slew of people on Twitter claiming that being anti-communism is inherently (lmao) pro-fascism. So yeah, I feel you.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxI7B758XBQ
I feel like this Simpson's Episode represents my sentiments here.
"I recognize the closure of the 31 driver's license offices affects mostly rural areas of the state," Bentley said. "To suggest the closure of the driver's license offices is a racial issue is simply not true, and to suggest otherwise should be considered an effort to promote a political agenda."

The affected offices issued or renewed less than 9,000 driver's licenses and identification cards in 2014; the counties had just over 551,000 active or inactive voters that year. The number represented less than one-half of one percent of the voting population.

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ALEA said an $11 million cut to its budget, combined with staffing shortages in its district offices, required the removal of the part-time examiners. Both Bentley and ALEA have criticized the Legislature for not approving a budget adequate for state services. Legislators, in turn, have said ALEA could have used an increase in driver's license fees -- worth $12 million -- to alleviate the reductions. ALEA says that money offsets losses on manufacturing driver's licenses.

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I still have hope for the FUTURE!!!

OP, are you aware that the bulk of voting law criticisms are not photo IDs, but the fact that Republican-led governments have increasingly performed poll closures since parts of the VRA were struck down in the mid-2010s, causing massive lines in urban counties that skew democratic?

Did you know none of the laws being proposed to "secure" the vote address this issue, and in fact worsen it?

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Zero_Destroyer posted...

OP, are you aware that the bulk of voting law criticisms are not photo IDs, but the fact that Republican-led governments have increasingly performed poll closures since parts of the VRA were struck down in the mid-2010s, causing massive lines in urban counties that skew democratic?

Did you know none of the laws being proposed to "secure" the vote address this issue, and in fact worsen it?

He's aware, but that doesn't fit the dishonest point he's trying to force so he's ignoring it

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cut hours isn't good. remember one day i had the chance to get an ID after finding all of my documents for them to close shop on the day of my appointment. had to wait another month because of wildfire smoke.

requirements aren't bad:

a couple documents of the address residing
social security card number
birth certificate.
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Are conservatives still trying to pretend they're not enacting voter suppression? Literally nobody believes them.

Background_Guy posted...

Are conservatives still trying to pretend they're not enacting voter suppression? Literally nobody believes them.

The believe themselves which is all that matters.


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You dont need an ID to purchase alcohol and cigarettes and driving a car is unnecessary in most major cities in the US (aka where the highest amount of population lives)

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AmeriDOOM

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Just like most if american politics, this is just a lot ado about nothings. The vast majority of voters have a photo ID and voter fraud is such a small problem that it's silly to even call it a problem.

It's just meaningless shit for idiots to argue about

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