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UnholyMudcrab
07/12/21 3:31:20 PM
#102:


Umbreon posted...
UnholyMudcrab posted...
He's utterly derailed the topic at this point


Hrm. No, I think an example of how easily someone can attempt to change the subject is, ironically enough, right on topic.

I suppose that's true
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R1masher
07/12/21 3:33:14 PM
#103:


Umbreon posted...
Oh whoops! My mistake.

There were... no ad hominems from what I could tell? You just showed up accusing people of 'using the same tactic' without explaining how. You even accused someone of targeting you, despite no one hailing you to enter the topic or mentioning your name until much later.

Just seems like you're trying to downplay bro.

I didnt just show up, Ive been here a minute

Umbreon posted...
Oh whoops! My mistake.

There were... no ad hominems from what I could tell? You just showed up accusing people of 'using the same tactic' without explaining how. You even accused someone of targeting you, despite no one hailing you to enter the topic or mentioning your name until much later.

Just seems like you're trying to downplay bro.

post 5 I asked if he wasnt using the same tactics

post, seven targeted and attacked me personally

bias is a hell of a drug

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TommyG663513
07/12/21 3:38:33 PM
#104:


Humble_Novice posted...
We can't ignore this stuff forever. The far right are that desperate to win the culture wars and will do whatever it takes even if they have to twist the truth or distort it with outright lies. For them, there is no such thing as coexistence, only dominance and owning the libs.

It's remarkable how people make these types of posts with absolute zero self awareness

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Guide
07/12/21 3:44:08 PM
#105:


R1masher posted...
listen, Im not keeping anything alive, I understand you think this is your time to shine up on your soapbox you created, but youre not really doing anything except talking to a wall, Im not right or left, Im I dont care and youre just acting like a hypocrite using the same tactics youve pointed out as subterfuge

It's amazing, you're doing everything already described in the fucking 4chan post lmao

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R1masher
07/12/21 3:46:01 PM
#106:


Guide posted...
It's amazing, you're doing everything already described in the fucking 4chan post lmao

no one asked you

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Umbreon
07/12/21 3:48:02 PM
#107:


You accused people, they accused you back.

From a outside perspective(I posted later), it really seems like you wanted to halt conversation about white supremacist tactics and play the victim. Especially with your unexplained claims of people laying 'traps'.

Which, ironically enough, is a fine example of the tactical poor faith arguments such people use.

I hope this topic has been illuminating to those unfamiliar with the subject matter.

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uwnim
07/12/21 3:48:35 PM
#108:


R1masher posted...
Its really low effort between load screens, but of course it will come off like that because theres no discussion without ad hominems , of course Im not supporting white supremacists, Im just saying that hes using the same tactics
He is literally not though. Accusing him of doing so is what is making you look bad.

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Garioshi
07/12/21 3:53:27 PM
#109:


Shezarr posted...
A) I hate that the writer is a furry but seems to be a pretty good article
Take allies where you can get them

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R1masher
07/12/21 3:54:07 PM
#110:


uwnim posted...
He is literally not though. Accusing him of doing so is what is making you look bad.

i didnt accuse anybody, I asked the question and just by asking that question it immediately turned into a dog pile and shit slinging, clown world

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Humble_Novice
07/12/21 3:55:57 PM
#111:


R1masher posted...
i didnt accuse anybody
You just accused us of targeting you.
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Humble_Novice
07/12/21 3:56:28 PM
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R1masher
07/12/21 3:57:01 PM
#113:


Humble_Novice posted...
You just accused us of targeting you.

whatever, take off the red nose next time you post

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Umbreon
07/12/21 4:00:16 PM
#114:


R1masher posted...


whatever, take off the red nose next time you post

A comment like this doesn't encourage honest discussion.


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Humble_Novice
07/12/21 4:07:21 PM
#115:


R1masher posted...
whatever, take off the red nose next time you post
There you go with the attacks. Is projection all you're good at?
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R1masher
07/12/21 4:08:16 PM
#116:


Umbreon posted...
A comment like this doesn't encourage honest discussion.

yeah, its exacerbating dealing with it isnt it must be a meta tactic here

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Humble_Novice
07/12/21 4:11:04 PM
#117:


This is a very interesting story of one woman living the experience of seeing her own child becoming an alt-righter: https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/05/05/what-happened-after-my-13-year-old-son-joined-the-alt-right/
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Umbreon
07/12/21 4:13:56 PM
#118:


Humble_Novice posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1A-51z03NU

A good reminder that we must be mindful of our youth. While many zoomers have a distaste for the alt-right, especially those in the LGBTQIA community, we cannot take that to mean that they are immune to white supremacist propaganda.

This may be why certain parents do not want their kids exposed to people who are different than them. "Kids are too young to see same sex couples!" "It should be up to parents to decide when they talk about trans people!"

It's a lot easier to be exposed to the toxic ideals white supremacist have when a child has been isolated. Even for those who aren't, they aren't immune.


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uwnim
07/12/21 4:26:15 PM
#119:


R1masher posted...
i didnt accuse anybody, I asked the question and just by asking that question it immediately turned into a dog pile and shit slinging, clown world

R1masher posted...
aren't you doing some of the stuff described therein right now
This is an accusation not an actual question.

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R1masher
07/12/21 4:29:23 PM
#120:


uwnim posted...
This is an accusation not an actual question.

ok, semantics aside, its still a question

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Ryuko_Chan
07/12/21 4:34:27 PM
#121:


i wonder if R1Master is trolling cuz the irony is funny or hes really just this lost and pathetic

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R1masher
07/12/21 4:39:53 PM
#122:


Ryuko_Chan posted...
i wonder if R1Master is trolling cuz the irony is funny or hes really just this lost and pathetic

If you dont know me by now, you will never never know me

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berlyman101
07/12/21 4:45:07 PM
#123:


Guide posted...
It's amazing, you're doing everything already described in the fucking 4chan post lmao

I noticed this, too. Textbook.

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PC-Builder_Pony
07/12/21 4:47:11 PM
#124:


Can we get a tl;dr list as well as a list for the opposite side?

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berlyman101
07/12/21 4:51:04 PM
#125:


PC-Builder_Pony posted...
Can we get a tl;dr list as well as a list for the opposite side?

If you care, read It.

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uwnim
07/12/21 4:58:32 PM
#126:


R1masher posted...
ok, semantics aside, its still a question
Can a question that isnt intended to be answered really be considered a question?

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TheOtherMike
07/12/21 5:03:44 PM
#127:


R1masher posted...
ok, semantics aside, its still a question

The "question" is obviously rhetorical, because questions worded like this always are.
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R1masher
07/12/21 5:05:08 PM
#128:


uwnim posted...
Can a question that isnt intended to be answered really be considered a question?

was this an example of that, was this an example of a rhetorical question or are you asking if my question wasnt asked to be answered?

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DarthAragorn
07/12/21 5:23:21 PM
#129:


Amazing how someone can be so low intelligence they do most of the stuff listed in this article... In a topic about this article.

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berlyman101
07/12/21 5:25:18 PM
#130:


DarthAragorn posted...
Amazing how someone can be so low intelligence they do most of the stuff listed in this article... In a topic about this article.

Part of the article points out that this is intentional. they're betting we aren't intelligent enough to spot it.

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Bishop9800
07/12/21 5:26:41 PM
#131:


berlyman101 posted...
Part of the article points out that this is intentional. they're betting we aren't intelligent enough to spot it.


In that case, R1 lost the farm on that bet.

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berlyman101
07/12/21 5:28:15 PM
#132:


Don't be so sure. The point is to put doubt in the minds of anyone who may be unfamiliar with these concepts and also to waste our time and energy.

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Humble_Novice
07/12/21 5:30:05 PM
#133:


berlyman101 posted...
Don't be so sure. The point is to put doubt in the minds of anyone who may be unfamiliar with these concepts and also to waste our time and energy.
There's a nefarious tactic like that known as sealioning: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/sealioning-internet-trolling
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Umbreon
07/12/21 5:31:10 PM
#134:


Humble_Novice posted...
This is a very interesting story of one woman living the experience of seeing her own child becoming an alt-righter: https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/05/05/what-happened-after-my-13-year-old-son-joined-the-alt-right/


This is how kids get indoctrinated. Teenagers are especially vulnerable at that time. Uncertain of their role in life, dealing with new challenges they have no easy answer to. It's easy for someone masquerading as a friend to come along, tell them everything they want to hear, sympathize with their woes, and tell them that all their problems is the fault of a certain group of people. Combine all of this with a teen's natural tendency to rebel against their parents and...

It's a slow poison. No one decides to go alt right in a day.

One day I'd like to have children, but it seems like a terrifying world to being them into.

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berlyman101
07/12/21 5:31:13 PM
#135:


Humble_Novice posted...
There's a nefarious tactic like that known as sealioning: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/sealioning-internet-trolling

The author of your OP link refers to gish gallop, which may be slightly different, but also is effective in pointing it out.

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R1masher
07/12/21 5:39:15 PM
#136:


Bishop9800 posted...
In that case, R1 lost the farm on that bet.

R1 wasnt betting, People are betting that they that think Im doing anything other than pointing out that someone is using like minded tactics, brow beating isnt somehow more intelligent

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ColdOne666
07/12/21 5:41:41 PM
#137:


Wouldn't be caught dead reading that garbage website. It's as bad as Guardian or Kotaku.

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DarthAragorn
07/12/21 5:43:06 PM
#138:


ColdOne666 posted...
Wouldn't be caught dead reading that garbage website. It's as bad as Guardian or Kotaku.
And another one appears

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TuckersImp
07/12/21 6:06:11 PM
#139:


Now that I'm home from work, I tried reading the article. It was far too long and constantly drifted away from its intent. This seems like a bad argument
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Bishop9800
07/12/21 6:10:09 PM
#140:


R1masher posted...
R1 wasnt betting, People are betting that they that think Im doing anything other than pointing out that someone is using like minded tactics, brow beating isnt somehow more intelligent


Sure, OK.

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berlyman101
07/12/21 6:10:56 PM
#141:


TuckersImp posted...
Now that I'm home from work, I tried reading the article. It was far too long and constantly drifted away from its intent. This seems like a bad argument

the trolls are really scraping the barrel

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TheOtherMike
07/12/21 6:16:52 PM
#142:


R1masher posted...
People are betting that they that think Im doing anything other than pointing out that someone is using like minded tactics

But you aren't pointing it out, you're merely asserting it. To point it out you'd need to specify what like-minded tactics he's using.
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R1masher
07/12/21 6:17:43 PM
#143:


TheOtherMike posted...
But you aren't pointing it out, you're merely asserting it. To point it out you'd need to specify what like-minded tactics he's using.

no I dont, you can see it

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Humble_Novice
07/12/21 6:19:20 PM
#144:


R1masher posted...
no I dont, you can see it
It's obvious to everyone that you're gaslighting them.
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TheOtherMike
07/12/21 6:20:11 PM
#145:


R1masher posted...
no I dont, you can see it

I do not see it, and yes you do. You're making the assertion, the onus is on you to substantiate your claim. If you're unwilling to even try then your claim, rightfully, can be summarily dismissed.
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R1masher
07/12/21 6:20:54 PM
#146:


Humble_Novice posted...
It's obvious to everyone that you're gaslighting them.

this is a perfect example

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R1masher
07/12/21 6:22:25 PM
#147:


TheOtherMike posted...
I do not see it, and yes you do. You're making the assertion, the onus is on you to substantiate your claim. If you're unwilling to even try then your claim, rightfully, can be summarily dismissed.

I tried numerous times and the tactic is to try and brow beat me and name call me which are the examples

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Samurontai
07/12/21 6:25:55 PM
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TheOtherMike
07/12/21 6:27:52 PM
#149:


R1masher posted...
I tried numerous times

I've read the entire topic, and you did not. You literally never attempted to.

R1masher posted...
and the tactic is to try and brow beat me and name call me which are the examples

Any backlash you suffered is a direct result of your refusal to substantiate your original claim. These are literally not examples from the original article relevant to TC's opening post or first reply in the topic, which is where you made the accusation.
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R1masher
07/12/21 6:29:44 PM
#150:


TheOtherMike posted...
I've read the entire topic, and you did not. You literally never attempted to.

Any backlash you suffered is a direct result of your refusal to substantiate your original claim. These are literally not examples from the original article relevant to TC's opening post or first reply in the topic, which is where you made the accusation.

bro, you need to read again, I didnt comment on the opening post youre just on a dog pile band wagon

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Humble_Novice
07/12/21 6:37:52 PM
#151:


Samurontai posted...
This topic is so weird lmao
It's because of R1masher derailing this topic to distract from the real issue at hand.
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