Poll of the Day > Why are people offended by cultural appropriation?

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Metalsonic66 posted...

French cooking?

maybe a little now, but certainly not in the past. That's more of a forced assimilation. If you wanted to work as a chef for a period of time, French training was a necessity. Also, plenty of chefs have declined to take on apprentices for being non-white or a woman.

Julia Child was a BEAST

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So, you're defining appropriation as a larger culture taking something from a smaller culture, right?
That's how you're defining the difference between assimilation vs appropriation?

I'm a bit confused with the difference here.

shadowsword87 posted...

So, you're defining appropriation as a larger culture taking something from a smaller culture, right?
That's how you're defining the difference between assimilation vs appropriation?

I'm a bit confused with the difference here.

Basically it's cultural reverse osmosis

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Appropriation -

Taking an aspect of ones culture and using it to enrich your own, while still marginalizing the said culture for that aspect.

Assimilation -

Forcing a marginalizing group to adhere to your cultural standards, and further marginalize those that don't follow suit.

Oh cool.
Western fried rice.

How was fried rice taken from white people?

Democracy is white cultural appropriation... from the Greeks

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It's not, "western fried rice" is a dish in china. Get your frying rice ready to go, chop up a hot dog, add your ketchup to your wok and fry it until it separates out, add hot dog and some ham. Then add the fried rice and finish stir frying. Add a chopped tomato and bell peppers on top.

And there you go, you have western fried rice.

Lokarin posted...

Democracy is white cultural appropriation... from the Greeks

Was democracy ever used to marginalize Greek people? Seeing as how you cite them, it's not like they don't get credit for creating it either.

IronBornCorps posted...

Was democracy ever used to marginalize Greek people? Seeing as how you cite them, it's not like they don't get credit for creating it either.

yup, they got voted out of Rome

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https://youtu.be/1H2bRd91sZw

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So yes, I suppose that would be a great example of Europeans people using cultural appropriation against each other.

One could argue that Greeks aren't really white, though Romans wouldn't have been either.

I thought of an example that kind of works.

St Patrick's Day.

The world now drinks and can celebrate Irish Heritage, while Northern Ireland still fights for independence from the UK.

IronBornCorps posted...
shadowsword87 posted...

I mean, it all depends on how you define what's appropriation or not.

I'd argue that western fried rice in china is inauthentic western food being said as western food. Which, just depends on how you define it.

Fried rice didn't originate in the West.

Appropriation -

Taking an aspect of ones culture and using it to enrich your own, while still marginalizing the said culture for that aspect.

Assimilation -

Forcing a marginalizing group to adhere to your cultural standards, and further marginalize those that don't follow suit.

So you're saying baseball is taking the culture from Africans when it was created by a white guy?
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When did I say baseball was African culture?

IronBornCorps posted...

When did I say baseball was African culture?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/79560480/956122465
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I was saying sports are no way involved in appropriation.

Black and non-white people had to fight to be included in those leagues in the first place.

I wouldn't say billionaire white men paying athletic black men millions of dollars in order to make billions of profits for themselves is exactly in favor of those black players. Especially when places like the NFL have been inconsistent at best when it comes to long terms of playing the sport. The owners don't care if you're crippled or can't remember what you ate an hour ago if you already made them money.

Plus, from what I've seen, black players tend to be punished more harshly than their white counterparts for infractions that can include suspensions and bans.

*edit* also, baseball is American culture, since they are African Americans....

they signed a contract.

and making millions? oh no, poor them...
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The funny thing is that, while there certainly ARE examples of CA happening, 95% of it it's either some dumb company hawking a cheap product for a quick buck or the entertainment industry doing something similar for the same reason. While maybe it's happened I can't think of a time where I've seen something CA something and not be one of those two things.

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

they signed a contract.

and making millions? oh no, poor them...

In a league where trillions of dollars have moved through? Millions is peanuts to the owners.

Why would sports be used an example of CA when the people of color have no autonomy over how the league operates.

Given that these players are also some of the richest African American's in the country, it's interesting how much backlash they receive when speaking outside of the field. Colin Kaepernick is a great example of how the league will make you disappear for not falling in line.

Considering he was forced out of the league for speaking up on racial issues, it really doesn't sound like that league is controlled by black interests.

a company firing people for badmouthing the company isn't new or exclusive to sports.


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He wasn't bad mouthing the company or league until he was blacklisted from every team...

The action was disproportionate considering players who beat women, get DWI's, or consume illegal substances get game suspensions and fines, not kicked out of the league.

What you are referring to is called "At will" employment, which has also been used keep marginalized groups from thriving. It's why people can be fired for having "Unprofessional hair style" while it being their natural hair, and to conform to "professional" (AKA White hairstyle) is not only expensive, but takes HOURS!

IronBornCorps posted...

Colin Kaepernick is a great example of how the league will make you disappear for not falling in line.

Clearly you don't watch football. He wasn't very good and got benched then wouldn't take a pay cut. If it were Aaron Donald or Kahlil Mack kneeling nothing would have happened to them.

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You mean playoff appearances across multiple seasons and a super bowl appearance?

I'm sure he's the only quarter back in history to have a decline his second full season starting.

He definitely lacked touch on the deep ball, but he has legs. I would have him as a starter over a few starters last year.

I loved how heated Hannity and Kilmeade would get whenever the subject of kneeling came up, lol

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Yeah it's not like he didn't have a terrific team and coach around him to hide some of his flaws, they also lost the SB because of him

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Still would take him over an aging Fitzpatrick and Rivers, and definitely Drew Lock or whoever has been the starter for the Broncos the last few years since Peyton left.

Teddy Bridgewater got paid for being plugged into a system that works if a mop is QB.

I agree with him and am not offended by the kneeling, I just don't think he was blackballed. If he was an elite player you can make that claim but he wasn't, at that point he had already been benched for Blaine Gabbert of all people. Maybe you also forgot how Elway tried to trade for him but refused to take a paycut and the Ravens were talking to him before his dumbass gf compared the owner to a slave owner.

Also, this is just me being a bit nitpicky but, Trubisky was anything but a check down Charlie. His biggest flaw was consistently overthrowing deep and mid routes.

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I dont think many people are actually offended by it

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Mead posted...

I dont think many people are actually offended by it

This. 10% of Twitter users generate 90% of Twitter outrage, and I believe the same is true of Facebook. As soon as people understand that social media acts as a bullhorn and not a mirror, this nonsense might start to wither away.

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

The better question is why no one has an issue with the fact that 99.44% of all human history is built on taking cultural ideas from other people and synthesizing them into new traditions and ideas, but now we're 12000 years deep into the human and it's suddenly an enormous issue.

Not to mention America's problematic history with segregation that kept limited mixing.

IronBornCorps posted...

Sports is actually a good argument when you don't factor in the fact that nearly all owners are still white, and the players are still making peanuts when compared to other aspects of the league.

Honeslty, mostly black players working for mostly white owners who make a significant more amount of money could be seen as exploitation. Especially when said players have to put their bodies on the line, and even play injured in some cases.

...what? Even overlooking that professional athletes are HEAVILY compensated, most major sports franchises are more vanity projects than actual money-makers. Many even LOSE money rather than make it, with the losses sometimes being so heavy that the team had to be sold.

MeteoricBurst posted...

People only say crap like this when it suits them. A very large section of your country doesn't want it to be a mixing pot in the first place. That doesn't stop them from stealing everything from people though.

*cue laughtrack*

You can add this to a long list of stupid fucking remarks you've made this month.

Gaawa_chan posted...

while little white kids were running around in headdresses playing cowboys and indians.

Shitpost/10.

Gaawa_chan posted...

It's also not difficult to grasp any of this if you approach the subject in good faith.

>Approach a subject in good faith
>Links to Lindsey fucking Ellis

LOL!

Unbridled9 posted...

The idea is that you are taking something from a culture that is important to said culture and then using/exploiting it without regard to said culture and treating it, effectively, as your own idea or to be 'exotic' or whatever. This can apply to a multitude of things with food and hairstyles being the most commonly discussed. So having a white person making and selling chinese food would be 'cultural appropriation' because you are exploiting an 'exotic' food for profit.

The argument is inherently stupid because no similar regard is giving for other traditions. Arguing that a source material should be respected is one thing, but saying "it should only be respected when it pertains to certain races" is fucking racist, backwards, idiotic, and anybody who tries to promote the idea should be ashamed.

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Muscles posted...

Clearly you don't watch football. He wasn't very good and got benched then wouldn't take a pay cut. If it were Aaron Donald or Kahlil Mack kneeling nothing would have happened to them.

This.

I get soooo sick of hearing about Kaepernick. He was on the downslide and not a very good player when everything happened. However, everyone seems to think he was better than half the league which he was not. If you aren't a very good player and you have a circus side-show teams aren't going to want you. (see also other players on the downside of their careers like Tim Tebow, Plaxico Burris, Terrell Owens, Chad Johnson, etc.)

LMAO, Zeus said sports owners don't actually make much from their teams,

I'm aware that these athletes are well compensated. I just think it's interesting that people that are among the richest in the community, have very little influence on the league from a high level. The only real influence they have is social media, and gathering support from fans.

That is a far cry from,

We are adding an additional game to the season,
the team you play for is moving here,
changing rules and adding fines.

I also never said he was top 50% starters, but he was still relatively young at the time, and could have improved had he been able to stay in the environment.

I like how media how convinced you he wasn't a good enough player to justify his actions. As if he needed any justification for them in the first place.