Current Events > Nintendo is the most baffling managed major company right?

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apocalyptic_4 posted...

I've always said being a Nintendo fan now is like being in a abusive neglective relationship. Your taking for granted and you keep going back taking whatever they dish out.

I quit buying Nintendo products after the wiiU and I owned everything Nintendo prior. Despite the great 1st party games Nintendo is just plain anti consumer.

Eh, for me I just buy the stuff I'm interested in, which is mostly indies and exclusives. Full-priced ports? Not for me. I'd be getting more of these ports if they priced them correctly.

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How is it that ten years later SwayM is still mad that people like Nintendo

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Japanese company paying attention to Japanese consumers who utilize mobile and handheld stuff way more than regular consoles?

How dare they!

Are you Japanese, or do you live in Japan? I ask because bringing this up as a defence only works if this is relevant to you.

You know Sony is also a Japanese company? The Vita was a great handheld device too. Until Sony made blundering decisions and killed their own product.

Nintendo would be guilty of the same. If people werent so blindly loyal.

Darmik posted...

Nope. Just a handful of PS2 games and literally nothing else. No sign of anything else being done or added anytime soon.

Shame.

Darmik posted...

But Sony Rockstar, Microsoft etc. don't know how to make a game like Nintendo either.

I mean Ratchet and Clank for one example.

Darmik posted...

etc. If the game didn't have the incredibly impressive visuals, attention to detail and writing what else is really left?

If you take away all matter? I mean whats so special about the universe?

This is an unfair reduction and you know it. It may be slow, which is a fair critique. But amongst the pieces youve listed, which arent to taken lightly in how well theyre realized. You have, oh idk, easily the best hunting game thats been created? In the middle of a classic western with all the rootin, rooting, train lootin, poker playing, cattle rustling, horse taming, cowboy hijinx a feller could ask for. I mean its not even that there is all this content in this massive game, and some of it is absolutely spectacular by itself. Its that its all expertly crafted at the highest level working in tandem with itself. Its not that it does just one thing really well. Nearly ever piece of it is operating at leagues anything a Nintendo game has done by comparison

Like BOTW. BOTW is largely about exploration elements. But BOTW also doesnt have the characters and writing that you may meet in your journeys as RDR. It doesnt have the wildlife or environment details, though it does have some attention to detail in its world... is it even remotely as immersive? At the core of it, is Link as well written, acted and realized as Arthur Morgan? How about any of the hundred characters you may meet In Your journey?

BOTW is a fun, solid turn your brain off adventure game, and thats all it really is to me. There isnt that many unique gameplay elements, and it really doesnt have that much going for aside from some decent game mechanic, but all pretty basic in their own way.

It doesnt even have fishingits such a basic example but this is literally the difference in caliber that Im talking about. Nintendo cant be bothered to include a decent fishing mini game in their epic adventure game. Does RDR2 have fishing? Of course it fucking does. Amongst all the other things it has. Theres a lot I could talk about in this simple mechanic alone. Like different Baits and lures. Legendary fish. The variety of boats you can use to fish from. But one the element that I want to highlight by comparison. Nintendo adventure game doesnt even have one of the simplest, easiest mini games. Rockstar adventure game has hours of dialogue and unique encounters dedicated to fishing as a pastime with your companions(you can take NPCs fishing and pass the time not only enjoying the mini game but learning something about the characters or just being entertained by dialogue).

This comparing a childs finger painting to a Rembrandt IMHO.


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SwayM posted...

Are you Japanese, or do you live in Japan? I ask because bringing this up as a defence only works if this is relevant to you.

You know Sony is also a Japanese company? The Vita was a great handheld device too. Until Sony made blundering decisions and killed their own product.

Nintendo would be guilty of the same. If people werent so blindly loyal.

In what way is the Switch not an ideal handheld system? Can it be improved upon? Of course, nothing is perfect. That being said what they have done has sold nearly 90 million Switch systems.

And to suggest that Nintendo just has drones of people who always buy their stuff, how do you then explain the Wii-U being an embarrassment? By your logic it should have had success regardless of quality.

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TL;DR TCs overly long whining rant. The lengths he will go to bash Nintendo is bordering on the line of Microsoft/Sony fanboyism, if not way past the line. It is sad how much energy he shouts at clouds, as if thats going to convince anyone Nintendo bad!. It wont.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

In what way is the Switch not an ideal handheld system? Can it be improved upon? Of course, nothing is perfect. That being said what they have done has sold nearly 90 million Switch systems.

And to suggest that Nintendo just has drones of people who always buy their stuff, how do you then explain the Wii-U being an embarrassment? By your logic it should have had success regardless of quality.

Wii U, Virtual Boy, Game Boy Mini, etc.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

In what way is the Switch not an ideal handheld system?

I dont think it should be understated that with the Switch being the system that it is. The library of Nintendo games that SHOULD be available on the system is literally millions of dollars left on the table.

They have to do next to nothing. Just port games they already have to their system. Its not rocket surgery.

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

how do you then explain the Wii-U being an embarrassment? By your logic it should have had success regardless of quality.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles

Still sold half as much as the GameCube for being a turd. I mean they got 13.5 million suckers we know for sure will buy any poorly marketed piece of crap they put out.

But youre right, Nintendo isnt immune to failure. I just think they get a lot of free passes and benefit of the doubt that Id obvious in this topic alone.

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Back in the day, console warriors used to argue over which console had the longest life cycle. Now it's a race to split the base, and a company is failing if they don't revise their hardware within the first five years.

I want to go back to the old days of stable consoles, continuously improving PCs.

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Polycosm posted...

Back in the day, console warriors used to argue over which console had the longest life cycle. Now it's a race to split the base, and a company is failing if they don't revise their hardware within the first five years.

I want to go back to the old days of stable consoles, continuously improving PCs.

Same, gaming is starting to become too much of an investment. I say this as someone who has over 200 games right now. >_>

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SwayM posted...

This is an unfair reduction and you know it. It may be slow, which is a fair critique. But amongst the pieces youve listed, which arent to taken lightly in how well theyre realized. You have, oh idk, easily the best hunting game thats been created? In the middle of a classic western with all the rootin, rooting, train lootin, poker playing, cattle rustling, horse taming, cowboy hijinx a feller could ask for. I mean its not even that there is all this content in this massive game, and some of it is absolutely spectacular by itself. Its that its all expertly crafted at the highest level working in tandem with itself. Its not that it does just one thing really well. Nearly ever piece of it is operating at leagues anything a Nintendo game has done by comparison

Because there isn't a single game that Nintendo develops that tries to do any of that. All of it is focused with a clear and simple goal. The pure fact is the actual gameplay and movement of Rockstars games is significantly worse than the majority of Nintendo games because it's trying to feel realistic. Neither company is going for the same goal.

SwayM posted...

BOTW is a fun, solid turn your brain off adventure game, and thats all it really is to me. There isnt that many unique gameplay elements, and it really doesnt have that much going for aside from some decent game mechanic, but all pretty basic in their own way.

And yet to me I valued the freedom provided to the player in every single aspect of the game far more than RDR2. I found the minute to minute gameplay significantly more fun.

I don't want every open world game to be have long conversations while riding a horse or choosing fish bait in a menu. BOTW stripping things back ironically made the genre feel a lot more fresh to be personally.

The things I remember about BOTW were experiences I had as a player. The things I remember about RDR2 were the story, characters and random encounters I found. They're fundamentally different games with fundamentally different goals.

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I'm gonna go out on a limb & say that the TC is essentially butthurt over the Switch OLED not being the Switch Pro, like so much of the internet had taken for gospel.

As someone who has been waiting to get a Switch, I'm kinda disappointed that the upgrade isn't nearly as significant as I would have hoped, but the hard reality is that "Pro" consoles are a dumb concept anyway. A Pro console effectively does one of two things: The enhancements are overall esoteric, as the support is limited for such a small subset of the system's user base, or it overshadows the earlier model to the point that the upgrade is mostly necessary. Just look at the PS4 Pro, One S, & even the Nintendo DSi; they mostly serve as a midpoint for the proper next gen successors, which weren't very far off.

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Has Nintendo even addressed the qaulity of the joycon drift issue?

I wouldn't even bother upgrading if this still isn't solved.

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The thing I can't wrap my head around are gamers or industry people who say "Nintendo can do this because it's Nintendo" and yet there is so much history that shows Nintendo clearly doesn't get away with everything. Like literally the Wii U exists and that's just one of the most recent examples in the last decade.

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Jiggy101011 posted...

The thing I can't wrap my head around are gamers or industry people who say "Nintendo can do this because it's Nintendo" and yet there is so much history that shows Nintendo clearly doesn't get away with everything. Like literally the Wii U exists and that's just one of the most recent examples in the last decade.

Youre right, they dont. But TC only sees what he wants to see, while accusing others of the same thing. He is a typical do as I say, not as I do type of person.

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Jiggy101011 posted...

The thing I can't wrap my head around are gamers or industry people who say "Nintendo can do this because it's Nintendo" and yet there is so much history that shows Nintendo clearly doesn't get away with everything. Like literally the Wii U exists and that's just one of the most recent examples in the last decade.

Yeah, there's this. There's going to be blind brand loyalty fans for any company, but Nintendo gets criticized about as much stuff as any other company.

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I have many problems with Nintendo these days, but they're really the only company who makes games anymore I wanna play. Of course there's a handful of exceptions, but they're the only ones I have fun with anymore. But I'm more of a retro gamer anyways, so it's really only bigger 1st party titles I get, and they almost always deliver.
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Polycosm posted...

Now it's a race to split the base, and a company is failing if they don't revise their hardware within the first five years.

I still have my launch Xbone and PS4. Idk what the hell you taking about.

Darmik posted...

Because there isn't a single game that Nintendo develops that tries

Boom there it is.

Maybe a little hyperbolic. But this is the ultimate crux of it for me. Nintendo developers dont try as hard as other developers. And its not because theyre making different games. Theyre making games, just the same as other developers, but not as well

darkbuster posted...

I'm gonna go out on a limb & say that the TC is essentially butthurt over the Switch OLED not being the Switch Pro,

well first of all I dont have any plan to buy another switch. Nor do I pay attention to nintendo rumours. But I meanthe OLED seems like a completely useless system and everyone has fair criticisms on how lazy and poorly thought out it seems.


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Has anyone brought up how RDR2 isn't a fun game and how Nintendo wouldn't make a game like that because they are notorious for making games that are fun?
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Nintendo is basically making their own ecosystem like how Apple is doing it.

Smashingpmkns posted...

Has anyone brought up how RDR2 isn't a fun game and how Nintendo wouldn't make a game like that because they are notorious for making games that are fun?

Nah, RDR2 is actually a whole lot of fun as well.

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Probably the funniest thing about these types of topics is always that the grass seems greener on the other side. Like literally Sony and MS are frequently working at a loss on this industry, their games are often very homogeneous, their consoles are homogeneous, their developmental time takes forever, they lack the number of iconic IPs that they often run into months of games that majority of people don't care about, they are also heavily reliant on 3rd parties as a result which can result in the 3rd parties underperforming leading to terrible launches (like Cyberpunk 2077), most people they market to can't afford a TV to take advantage of 4K, Sony restricts crossplay, etc, etc.

I'm sure you can easily nitpick every other company and call them "the most baffling(ly) managed major company." There isn't really like a gold standard for running a video game industry. There aren't infinite resources, and sometimes some decisions are based on big picture that have short term complaints on either the supplier or the consumer side.

But yeah the Switch is doing well, and for the OLED, people have had very similar reaction to the lite... except that shit sold a truckload to casuals, aka the market that most people in any video game discussions have next to 0 idea about because they don't ever fucking talk to people in the real world.

OLED does not appeal to casuals in particular, of course, but there is a market for people who want a Switch upgrade and a huge subgroup of the market who only play Switch on handheld.

One other side thing to point out, some people who have a lite and really like it... might want to upgrade to the OLED, ever thought of that?

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legendarylemur posted...

Like literally Sony and MS are frequently working at a loss on this industry,

Selling consoles at a loss isnt the same as not turning a profit in the entire industry.

legendarylemur posted...

their games are often very homogeneous

I can think of a dozen examples of how this is nonsense. Sonys exclusives are extremely varied.

This is also a ridiculous point to make while defending a company thats put out console generation after console generation selling the same variation on Mario and Zelda games.

legendarylemur posted...

their developmental time takes forever, they lack the number of iconic IPs

Nintendo sits on a ton of iconic IPs and does fuck all with them. If it aint Mario or Zelda, they really dont care much about it. Star Fox. F-Zero. Earthbound. Pilot Wings (a person favourite). To name a few. Hell. Even more iconic franchises are shafted all the time. Mario RPG. Donkey Kong hardly gets any recognition. And Metroid has a lot of problems. Not including to your point above about long development times. Metroid Prime 4 was announced 4 years ago and all they have to show is a logo.

legendarylemur posted...

that they often run into months of games that majority of people don't care about
they are also heavily reliant on 3rd parties as a result which can result in the 3rd parties underperforming leading to terrible launches (like Cyberpunk 2077)

These two points here really show how far youre reaching.

Without third party titles there would be no video game industry. First party games make up such a small percentage of what is produced.

Saying no one gives a shit about them and the odd one might fail is a nonsense reduction of reality.

Twiddling your thumbs waiting for a handful of first party titles over the course of an entire consoles life cycle may be what Nintendo fans do. But over here in reality we have endless second/third party games and so many of which are phenomenal. Because like Ive been saying since the jump. Nintendo isnt making or capable of making the same calibre of games as other developers.

legendarylemur posted...

There isn't really like a gold standard for running a video game industry.

Gold standard isnt the term I would use. I would say theres a pretty low bar, and the fact that Nintendo often fails to reach it is as embarrassing as it is in unacceptable. Theres no excuse for them to be ancient in this industry that constantly moves forward. This is literally what the gaming industry has been since its inception. It moves forward. At some point Nintendo stoped moving forward with the rest (around the end of the 64 era I believe). They planted their feet and let their mindless fan base come to them, instead of meeting the demands of gamers or the industry at large. And because so many gamers give them a free pass or even a pat on the back for not trying, are they able to do this.

In the same industry people complain about every other company being so anti consumer. Theres barely anyone holding Nintendos feet to the fire. You see it in this topic even. The classic weve tried nothing and were all out of ideas

Yeah the same complaints have been levied against them for decades, yet yall continue to say nothing changes. No shit? They dont listen because not only do people continue to buy into their shit. But the complaints arent treated the same. This shouldnt be an argument in this topic. You fighting me on keeping Nintendo complacent to mediocrity and unacceptable practices is proving theyre not treated the same.

What company is more vilified than EA? You can call them anti consumer and say they dont give a shit until the last star in the universe dies. But remember the reaction to Battlefront 2? Oh god it was endless complaints and whining. But If that many people complain and vote with their wallet, even the biggest and greediest companies move. EA went back on their scummy ideas for that game. Now from what Ive seen that game is doing very well and the community is still going strong.

Moral of the story. Stop giving No Effort Nintendo free passes they dont deserve.

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Most Nintendo fans grade stuff on a curve because of their childhood. Its just the truth. There are some weird exceptions but far and apart its people that played Mario world or Pokmon ruby or whatever when the were eight and justify getting treated like shit for the next couple decades because of it

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ultimate reaver posted...

Most Nintendo fans grade stuff on a curve because of their childhood. Its just the truth. There are some weird exceptions but far and apart its people that played Mario world or Pokmon ruby or whatever when the were eight and justify getting treated like shit for the next couple decades because of it

And see Im the opposite. I grew up with Nintendo same as anyone else. Theyve always been around in the 30 years or so Ive been gaming. There is strong nostalgia of how awesome they were when I was a kid.

But I wasnt brainless to see that again, around the end of the 64 era. The industry was blowing past them and the 64 was the last Nintendo console I truly gave a shit about. Its no coincidence. I quickly jumped ship to PlayStation and eventually Xbox, because they were simply doing things that Nintendont.


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Lil_Bit83 posted...

I disagree, but that comment is funny as hell.

They literally sold cardboard for $60-$80

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SwayM posted...

But I wasnt brainless to see that again, around the end of the 64 era. The industry was blowing past them and the 64 was the last Nintendo console I truly gave a shit about. Its no coincidence. I quickly jumped ship to PlayStation and eventually Xbox, because they were simply doing things that Nintendont.

And yet, Nintendo is still around, so they are doing stuff that people still like. Smash Bros, Metroid, Pokemon, Mario, Donkey Kong Country, etc.
Meanwhile on Playstation, oh look, another GTA game or another Resident Evil game or another CoD game. I swear, CoD games are becoming the next Madden. Just change a few guns, and boom. A "new" game.
Of course, I wouldn't expect someone that foams so much at the mouth when they spew their anti-Nintendo bullcrap to understand.

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TyVulpine posted...

And yet, Nintendo is still around, so they are doing stuff that people still like. Smash Bros, Metroid, Pokemon, Mario, Donkey Kong Country, etc.

Meanwhile on Nintendo, oh look, another Mario game or another Smash game or another Pokemon game. I swear, Pokemon games are becoming the next Madden. Just add a few uninspired creatures, and boom two "new" games.

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^Thank you for proving my point, TC. I would bet my account if you were of saying one nice thing about Nintendo, but I know you are incapable of such a thing, you drink the MS and Sony kool-aid too much.

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TyVulpine posted...

^Thank you for proving my point, TC. I would bet my account if you were of saying one nice thing about Nintendo, but I know you are incapable of such a thing, you drink the MS and Sony kool-aid too much.

Youre doing a fantastic job of showcasing the maturity of Nintendo fans while also proving my point on how they get away with not trying.

Nintendo is extremely good at attracting blind followers. Was that nice enough for you to close your account and go away?

I dont really care either way.

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SwayM posted...

Youre doing a fantastic job of showcasing the maturity of Nintendo fans while also proving my point on how they get away with not trying.

Nintendo is extremely good at attracting blind followers. Was that nice enough for you to close your account and go away?

I dont really care either way.

Yup, as I thought, you are incapable and it must really burn you up inside that Nintendo just won't go away, no matter how much you whine and complain about them, eh?
Go back to playing your Xboner and Playstation number-whatever-they're-up-to-now. Your thin-skinned emotions won't be missed.
*waits for TC to run to mods for "harassment"*

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Sorry to interrupt your meltdown with logic. The last thing I want is to see Nintendo go away. I want to see what a Nintendo that tried as hard as everyone else is capable of. Everyone should want that.

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SwayM posted...

Sorry to interrupt your meltdown with logic. The last thing I want is to see Nintendo go away. I want to see what a Nintendo that tried as hard as everyone else is capable of. Everyone should want that.

Nintendo is doing what THEY think is best, and considering its been working for the last forty years, theyre obviously doing something right, despite your waaah, why wont Nintendo listen to ME?! warped sense of self-importance. Get over yourself.

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SwayM posted...

This is where I have to disagree. The user experience on a Nintendo console is noticeably lagging decades behind others. Its frustrating, overpriced, and tedious. Its riddled with mediocrity and dead end after dead end, and you have to wonder how ANYONE puts up with it.

No Bluetooth support? No Netflix or other streaming apps? Abysmal online features? No selection of classic games on their store? $100 for fucking JOYCONS???? No price drop on ANYTHING they sell?

Also I just want to emphasize how terrible the UX is for if you want to play online with somebody. They literally expected us to download a phone app and use an adapter to connect the phone to the system and your headphones: https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/UHSKnj6NN8VB35PDmiaxYK.jpg

and they didn't add any way to chat with your friends at all...

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Nintendo half-assing shit for decades and getting away with it because legions of fanboys who never question them and casuals who dont know any better.

Im sure Nintendo appreciates your loyalty as much as I appreciate having you around to prove my points.

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Wetterdew posted...

Also I just want to emphasize how terrible the UX is for if you want to play online with somebody. They literally expected us to download a phone app and use an adapter to connect the phone to the system and your headphones: https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/UHSKnj6NN8VB35PDmiaxYK.jpg

and they didn't add any way to chat with your friends at all...

Here's a hint: THEN DON'T PLAY IT.
Wow, what a concept, just blows your mind doesn't it? Go back to your Xbox and Playstation, STFU, mind your own business, and stop yelling at clouds. Whining on some internet forums about what Nintendo does, doesn't impress anyone nor will it affect anything Nintendo does.

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when Nintendo hits, they hit big. No question. (Wii, DS, Switch, etc). Absolute monsters of the industry.

But their misses (like this new Switch, the Wii U, Gamecube, etc) are horrible. I suppose as long as your wins are 3 to 1 to your losses you'll eventually stay ahead

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I hate that some of my favorite series are on Nintendo consoles. It really does not feel good to support Nintendo monetarily when they treat fans who love their games and want to pay homage to them like complete shit

With each passing year though there's less reason for me to do so. Monster Hunter isnt shackled to Nintendo anymore, they only release two Metroids or so every 10 years, and I cant justify buying a whole console for just Zelda

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ktownslayer16 posted...

when Nintendo hits, they hit big. No question. (Wii, DS, Switch, etc). Absolute monsters of the industry.

But their misses (like this new Switch, the Wii U, Gamecube, etc) are horrible. I suppose as long as your wins are 3 to 1 to your losses you'll eventually stay ahead

Every company has misses (Sony with the PSP and Vita, Microsoft with versions of Windows lately, namely Vista and 10), Nintendo with going with cartridges on the 64. That's life. But going on internet forums and whining about how some company isn't listening solely to your "ideas", and showing your rabid hatred of the company as a result is asinine and not impressing anyone.

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TyVulpine posted...

Here's a hint: THEN DON'T PLAY IT.
Wow, what a concept, just blows your mind doesn't it? Go back to your Xbox and Playstation, STFU, mind your own business, and stop yelling at clouds. Whining on some internet forums about what Nintendo does, doesn't impress anyone nor will it affect anything Nintendo does.

Consult my signature. not talking with somebody who gets so hostile about video games

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Why is this Ty dude having a melty?

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InfinityMonster posted...

Why is this Ty dude having a melty?

Not having a melty, just don't understand TC's ludicrous hatred of Nintendo.
You wouldn't go to a Toyota dealership and complain about Chevy cars while you drive a Ford, right?

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TyVulpine posted...

Not having a melty, just don't understand TC's ludicrous hatred of Nintendo.
You wouldn't go to a Toyota dealership and complain about Chevy cars while you drive a Ford, right?

Nah, that's definitely a melty. You're getting aggressive and hostile for no reason.

This is CE. People can post whatever the fuck they want.

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InfinityMonster posted...

Nah, that's definitely a melty. You're getting aggressive and hostile for no reason.

This is CE. People can post whatever the fuck they want.

So, you accuse people of posting what they want, then turn around say "people can post whatever the fuck they want". And the hypocrisy eludes you......

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TyVulpine posted...

So, you accuse people of posting what they want, then turn around say "people can post whatever the fuck they want". And the hypocrisy eludes you......

I didn't say you can't post. I asked why you're having a melty and being so aggressive and hostile for no reason.

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InfinityMonster posted...
This is CE. People can post whatever the fuck they want.


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TyVulpine posted...

This is CE. People can post whatever the fuck they want.

Yes. That was established.

I'm asking why. Why are you being so aggressive and hostile? I'm not the only person that has pointed this out. You sound very fragile and like a middle schooler.

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Weird fella. Used the same line on me when my post wasnt complaining about Nintendo or anything lol.

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Switch actually presents a really cool opportunity for retro gameplay since it's the first time most people ever get to play console games on a handheld or vice-versa, with full versatility to swap at any moment. Which makes it especially hurt that now is when they axe virtual console.

You don't actually get to keep any of the NSO games. :/ And they barely offer anything

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