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InfinityMonster
07/08/21 10:01:57 AM
#101:


daynlokki posted...
Last I heard they already set money aside to start pre production in January.
I asked you for a source on this last time and you were unable to provide it outside "leaks" and "insiders" and I don't think you understand what confirmation or greenlighting means.

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daynlokki
07/08/21 10:03:05 AM
#102:


InfinityMonster posted...
I asked you for a source on this last time and you were unable to provide it outside "leaks" and "insiders" and I don't think you understand what confirmation or greenlighting means.
You could perhaps do your own homework. Things change a bit. Like F&WS not being considered a limited series for an Emmy, meaning Disney must have insinuated there could be more to that series as well.

We might get the company of Lokifor longer than expected, as Marvel Studios VP of Production & Development Nate Moore reveals the show was built with its extension in mind. In an interview with IndieWire about the future of the MCU on Disney+, Moore said Marvel always wants the possibility for more seasons, pointing out how Loki is the most likely candidate to get renewed.

Back in January, details about a deal between Michael Waldron and Disney demanded the showrunner to be available for Season 2
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InfinityMonster
07/08/21 10:04:42 AM
#103:


daynlokki posted...
You could perhaps do your own homework. Things change a bit. Like F&WS not being considered a limited series for an Emmy, meaning Disney must have insinuated there could be more to that series as well.
I did do my homework. It's all rumors.

Again, there's no confirmation on anything. Just rumors and shit that's usual with the MCU.

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Hornezz
07/08/21 10:04:43 AM
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I suspect F&WS has a smaller chance at a second season considering Captain America 4 movie has been announced as a follow-up to the show.

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daynlokki
07/08/21 10:05:50 AM
#105:


Hornezz posted...
I suspect F&WS has a smaller chance at a second season considering Captain America 4 movie has been announced as a follow-up to the show.
Then why did they get nominated for the Emmy for drama series and not the one for limited series?

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Hornezz
07/08/21 10:13:17 AM
#106:


daynlokki posted...
Then why did they get nominated for the Emmy for drama series and not the one for limited series?
Because being nominated for that category isn't a guarantee that it will get a second season.

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daynlokki
07/08/21 10:15:37 AM
#107:


Hornezz posted...
Because being nominated for that category isn't a guarantee that it will get a second season.
Ok so once again, why was it not nominated as a limited series at ALL? You understand how the Emmy system works do you not?

Wandavision, for reference, was put in the limited series section.
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lolife67
07/08/21 10:16:48 AM
#108:


InfinityMonster posted...
No it hasn't. It has not been confirmed or greenlit. All there was, was that they put out a crew hiring ad for the codename in a industry publication that posts movie industry jobs. Which has been known to be wrong or inaccurate a lot.
I saw something in Collider regarding it. But you're right, it isn't officially confirmed. Just that the show runner was signed on to be available for a Season 2 and one of the higher-ups said it's likely to happen.
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Hornezz
07/08/21 10:22:52 AM
#109:


daynlokki posted...
Ok so once again, why was it not nominated as a limited series at ALL?
Could be to keep their options open to pick up the show in the far future, after the movie comes out.
There have been plenty of shows nominated for a first season. It's not like the TV Academy can force them to make a second season, or prevent a show from being cancelled.

You understand how the Emmy system works do you not?
Do you? You keep saying they have been nominated, but that's not true. Submissions have been sent, nominees are announced next week.

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daynlokki
07/08/21 10:25:34 AM
#110:


Hornezz posted...
Could be to keep their options open to pick up the show in the far future, after the movie comes out.
There have been plenty of shows nominated for a first season. It's not like the TV Academy can force them to make a second season, or prevent a show from being cancelled.

Do you? You keep saying they have been nominated, but that's not true. Submissions have been sent, nominees are announced next week.
You realize the company making the series actually fills out paperwork for that right? The paperwork for falcon and the winter soldier has it as a drama participant but its not listed, by Disney themselves, as a limited series. Disney filed paperwork with the Emmys for it to be included under Drama.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiewire.com/2021/04/falcon-and-winter-soldier-emmys-drama-series-season-2-plans-interview-1234631267/amp/
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daynlokki
07/08/21 10:29:32 AM
#111:


I like this quote the best out of those Ive found:
Moore and co-E.P. Zoie Nagelhout developed Falcon together before finding and tapping Malcolm Spellman as creator and head writer. The series, submitted as a continuing drama at the Emmys, takes place six months after the events of Avengers: Endgame, and follows Sam Wilson (Anthony Mackie) and Bucky Barnes (Sebastian Stan) as they wrestle with their legacy, trauma, and future.

CONTINUING DRAMA is what it was submitted under. You understand the rules for the Emmys that pertain to that designation correct? Essentially, you must have plans to continue the series to be allowed in that category.
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Hornezz
07/08/21 10:32:24 AM
#112:


daynlokki posted...
You realize the company making the series actually fills out paperwork for that right? The paperwork for falcon and the winter soldier has it as a drama participant but its not listed, by Disney themselves, as a limited series. Disney filed paperwork with the Emmys for it to be included under Drama.
I realize that, and your post doesn't respond to what I said.

Also, I'm not sure why you're being so weirdly hostile about this.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiewire.com/2021/04/falcon-and-winter-soldier-emmys-drama-series-season-2-plans-interview-1234631267/amp/
So that just confirms what I said: they wanted to keep their options open. It's entirely possible that Marvel wanted to gauge reactions to the show in order to decide whether to follow-up with another season, a movie or nothing at all. And for now, they decided on a movie.

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daynlokki
07/08/21 10:33:37 AM
#113:


Hornezz posted...
I realize that, and your post doesn't respond to what I said.

Also, I'm not sure why you're being so weirdly hostile about this.

So that just confirms what I said: they wanted to keep their options open. It's entirely possible that Marvel wanted to gauge reactions to the show in order to decide whether to follow-up with another season, a movie or nothing at all. And for now, they decided on a movie.
Ok so how did they qualify for a continuing drama series? You understand how you must qualify for that right? In fact, if they plan to NOT continue the series, they no longer are eligible for any of the Emmys they have put in for.

There are only two reasons to do this.
A- they dont care about the Emmys for this, Wandavision could clean up limited series entries anyways. (which would be weird as if they dont continue the series they will be stripped of the Emmys, as they had to show cause to be placed in the continuing drama section to a committee with the Emmys and have them sign off on it)

B- They plan on continuing the series.

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Hornezz
07/08/21 10:41:23 AM
#114:


daynlokki posted...
Ok so how did they qualify for a continuing drama series? You understand how you must qualify for that right? In fact, if they plan to NOT continue the series, they no longer are eligible for any of the Emmys they have put in for.
The word "continuing" isn't actually in any of the categories.
They do plan on continuing the series, in a movie called Captain America 4.
And like I said before, the TV Academy cannot force them to make a new season if plans change after submitting nominations.

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InfinityMonster
07/08/21 10:41:25 AM
#115:


lolife67 posted...
I saw something in Collider regarding it. But you're right, it isn't officially confirmed. Just that the show runner was signed on to be available for a Season 2 and one of the higher-ups said it's likely to happen.
Waldron's Disney deal itself is a rumor from insiders. It includes the Disney Star Wars, Multiverse of Madness and probably everything related to Dr. Strange, since he's going to be in several upcoming MCU projects.

And the higher up said he wants a second season. Not that it's likely happening. Waldron himself just said a few weeks ago that season 1 is made with only 1 season in mind and has an end.

I'm not denying the possibility of any of this. But we just saw with Wandavison alone that you can't trust what's being said. So it's best to wait for confirmation and not look at shit like Emmy's to hype what's not there.

These types of insider sources have also been both "confirming" and denying that Rian Johnson is still making his Star Wars trilogy. It's been 4 years now and they've announced dozens of new projects with new people. Yet nothing on this. Who do we believe?

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daynlokki
07/08/21 10:43:36 AM
#116:


Hornezz posted...
The word "continuing" isn't actually in any of the categories.
They do plan on continuing the series, in a movie called Captain America 4.
And like I said before, the TV Academy cannot force them to make a new season if plans change after submitting nominations.
No they cant. They can however disqualify you from the category for not fitting the definitions of the category. The movie wouldnt make this fit that definition. The continuing portion is literally from the Emmys rule book for the category.

Pretty sure an Emmy disqualification isnt what Disney is going for personally.
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PatrickMahomes
07/08/21 11:10:21 AM
#117:


Let's be honest; disney submitted their shows under whatever they think gives them the best chance to get nominated/win. The positive publicity from being able to call their shows "emmy nominated" or "emmy award winning" for a year would far exceed any minor negative publicity from the show being "stripped" (which wouldn't even happen if it was nominated but didn't win) if they decide to go with a second season.

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cuttin_in_farm
07/08/21 11:23:40 AM
#118:


Im shocked people like this show so much tbh.

Its like very cookie cutter to me. The jokes kinda never land for me, and Loki is really not interesting to me. A lot of scenes feel really drawn out to me.

To me. So please dont get upset.

Like, early WandaVision was great. And Walker/Zemo carried FatWS. But ig I dont really care about any of the characters in Loki. Like, we didnt really need two scenes of the judge lady being confronted with You just wanna know who is behind this. Seems like padding.

I really like Ms. Minutes though. Super adorable lol.

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PatrickMahomes
07/08/21 11:45:46 AM
#119:


cuttin_in_farm posted...
A lot of scenes feel really drawn out to me

cuttin_in_farm posted...
Seems like padding
My thoughts exactly. For a six episode show, I swear they really only need five. Lamentis had no business being a full episode, the only thing we learned from that was Sylvi revealing that the TVAs are all variants in what was basically a throwaway line during an exchange while they were walking for 20 minutes.

There is just so, so much unnecessary exposition, repeating of exposition, and repeating of repeating of exposition.

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SevenTenths
07/08/21 1:22:25 PM
#120:


Derwood posted...


Loki now in a new place with new people
That are gone. And this didn't move the plot forward
Derwood posted...
Loki meets / learns about more variants, including that they are mostly useless
That he already knew by meeting syl and again didn't move the plot forward

Derwood posted...
Sylvie figures out that Ravonna knows more than she's let on
That we knew in ep4 and didn't move the plot forward

Ravonna tells us what the Void is
That doesn't move the plot forward and she lies and the only thing she said truthful we knew from the credit scene, so once again did not move the plot forward

Sylvie prunes herself to find Loki

Congratulations you found the 2 seconds

Sylvie learns that she can enchant the Alioth
That doesn't move the plot forward

Mobius shows up and is now firmly on L/S's side
That we knew episode 4 ,once again not moving the plot forward

Loki makes a bad plan, Sylvie makes a better plan

That already happened on the train and once again doesn't move the plot forward

Ravonna is now in desperation mode, as multiple people know that the TVA is built on lies
So exactly where we were in ep 4, once again showing the plot didn't move forward

Sylvie/Loki succeed in enchanting Alioth (with the help of old variant Loki)
You literally are so desperate you tried listening this twice

We're teased with the castle of the person (presumably) behind the TVA
Hey look you need to make assumptions because they didn't move the plot forward any.

Thanks for proving my point

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KogaSteelfang
07/08/21 1:40:33 PM
#121:


Anyone else still salty over the timeline bombing going literally nowhere and being treated as if it never happened at all.

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InfinityMonster
07/08/21 1:43:15 PM
#122:


KogaSteelfang posted...
Anyone else still salty over the timeline bombing going literally nowhere and being treated as if it never happened at all.
Lol, a little.

I just knew that shit was too early for anything meaningful.

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PatrickMahomes
07/08/21 1:43:20 PM
#123:


KogaSteelfang posted...
Anyone else still salty over the timeline bombing going literally nowhere and being treated as if it never happened at all.
yes

episode 2 was good and had a great ending, i was stoked for ep 3

then nothing happened. they basically handwaved it away by showing a bunch of TVA agents going to and from portals during the opening few sequences of episode 3 when loki/sylvie walked through their portal and walked towards the fakekeepers. those rates were basically on pace to pass the red line in like, three seconds, and there were dozens of them. no fuckin way they just sent out shitloads of squads in SECONDS and fixed every single one

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ZevLoveDOOM
07/08/21 1:58:50 PM
#124:


out of all things, they had to put an alligator Loki... lmao

at least this was more enjoyable than the last two episodes. specially with how ridiculous it gets when all the Lokis turn on each other in that scene.
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Derwood
07/08/21 2:41:28 PM
#125:


SevenTenths posted...
That are gone. And this didn't move the plot forward

That he already knew by meeting syl and again didn't move the plot forward

That we knew in ep4 and didn't move the plot forward

That doesn't move the plot forward and she lies and the only thing she said truthful we knew from the credit scene, so once again did not move the plot forward

Congratulations you found the 2 seconds

That doesn't move the plot forward

That we knew episode 4 ,once again not moving the plot forward

Loki makes a bad plan, Sylvie makes a better plan

That already happened on the train and once again doesn't move the plot forward

Ravonna is now in desperation mode, as multiple people know that the TVA is built on lies
So exactly where we were in ep 4, once again showing the plot didn't move forward

Sylvie/Loki succeed in enchanting Alioth (with the help of old variant Loki)
You literally are so desperate you tried listening this twice

We're teased with the castle of the person (presumably) behind the TVA
Hey look you need to make assumptions because they didn't move the plot forward any.

Thanks for proving my point

LOLWUT to this entire post
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_MorningStar
07/08/21 3:59:49 PM
#126:


Derwood posted...
LOLWUT to this entire post
Yeah man. Everything that happened didn't move the other forward at all. No character growth. No going to the literal end of fucking time. No going beyond the end of time. None of it. Not getting mobius back in the tva. Nothing moved forward at all.

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Derwood
07/08/21 4:20:09 PM
#127:


_MorningStar posted...
Yeah man. Everything that happened didn't move the other forward at all. No character growth. No going to the literal end of fucking time. No going beyond the end of time. None of it. Not getting mobius back in the tva. Nothing moved forward at all.

Yup, nothing that will get us to Kang and the multiverse. Nothing at all
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KogaSteelfang
07/08/21 4:35:04 PM
#128:


Eh, I kinda feel like it didn't move much either. Aside from Sylvie going to the void, and them opening the path at the end, the rest was all just either dead ends(Ravona and miss minutes) or self contained to this single episode(the void stuff).

Was still fun to watch, but for being the buildup to the finale, there really didn't seem to be a lot of substance there.

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Sir Will
07/08/21 4:57:43 PM
#129:


Great episode!

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Weezy_Tha_Don
07/08/21 11:40:23 PM
#130:


wow I didnt realize CE was full of Roger Eberts. the fuck are yall doing posting on CE and not in the film industry?

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Glob
07/09/21 12:54:58 AM
#131:


Derwood posted...
LOLWUT to this entire post

But he's completely right.

There was no substance to this episode at all.
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Darmik
07/09/21 12:58:10 AM
#132:


lol I'm pretty sure I see people complain about filler episodes or 'didn't push the plot enough' for every single TV series that isn't a comedy these days.

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Sir Will
07/09/21 1:11:59 AM
#133:


Glob posted...
But he's completely right.

There was no substance to this episode at all.
Wrong.

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Medussa
07/09/21 1:50:14 AM
#134:


Darmik posted...
lol I'm pretty sure I see people complain about filler episodes or 'didn't push the plot enough' for every single TV series that isn't a comedy these days.

i'm convinced that people have completely forgotten how to watch tv.

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Sir Will
07/09/21 1:51:14 AM
#135:


That seems to be the case.

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karmageddon28
07/09/21 2:01:55 AM
#136:


Lokigator > Baby Yoda

And it's not even close.
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pegusus123456
07/09/21 2:02:42 AM
#137:


Pound for pound, Baby Yoda ate more sentient life than Gator Loki tho.

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karmageddon28
07/09/21 2:12:59 AM
#138:


That's why Lokigator is the hero we need in these difficult times.

Unlike that sociopathic baby swamp gremlin.
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Zeeak4444
07/09/21 5:03:43 AM
#139:


KogaSteelfang posted...
Anyone else still salty over the timeline bombing going literally nowhere and being treated as if it never happened at all.

I mean the whole stated reason was a distraction to get to the time keepers. And it almost worked.

It makes sense the TVA was able to manage it by using all its resources and freeing up the in-house security like they did otherwise they wouldnt be very effective.


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Derwood
07/09/21 9:24:22 AM
#140:


Glob posted...
But he's completely right.

There was no substance to this episode at all.

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UnfairRepresent
07/09/21 9:56:36 AM
#141:


Watching it now and my eyes rolled so hard at the Thanoscopter that they almost activated the Speedforce.


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masterpug53
07/09/21 10:14:04 AM
#142:


I liked the ep. Thanos copter got a chuckle out of me, even if all the other easter eggs no-doubt went over my head due to me not being a comic reader (I only know about Thanos copter due to memes). And I'm glad they didn't save Mobius' return for some last-second reveal / rescue; the more screentime he gets, the better.

Classic Loki turned out to be great; never would have guessed that what I assumed to be a jokey throwback character would turn out to be one of the highlights of the show. I didn't even recognize that it was Richard E. Grant until about halfway through the episode. I confess that even though the man's been in acting as long as I've been alive, I never really noticed him until *shudders* Rise of Skywalker, and I distinctly remember thinking to myself 'give this man some good material and he'd kill it.' Well, they did, and he did.

Darmik posted...
lol I'm pretty sure I see people complain about filler episodes or 'didn't push the plot enough' for every single TV series that isn't a comedy these days.

Yeah, that does grind my gears after awhile. I mean, the D+ shows are meant to be B-material spinoffs, and I've always treated them as such. The pandemic screwing up the movie release schedule has tricked people into thinking these were supposed to be the main event, when it's more reasonable to assume they were always intended to be supplemental.

It's fine to be critical of them - I myself was disappointed when WandaVision failed to stick the landing in the final ep. But if you're going into these shows with such impossibly-high standards that you'll invariably not enjoy yourself and walk away with a poisioned opinion of them, why waste time watching them in the first place when you can just wiki the relevant plot info later?


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sktgamer_13dude
07/09/21 10:17:16 AM
#143:


>everyone loves thing
>UR has to come in to show his hatred for it
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UnfairRepresent
07/09/21 10:26:17 AM
#144:


sktgamer_13dude posted...
>everyone loves thing
>UR has to come in to show his hatred for it
I posted literally one sentence.

I liked Old Man Loganki but the rest of this episode was a mess. None of this show makes any sense and it's all over the place.

If you actually love it then me pointing stuff like this out shouldn't bother you. Other opinions only bother you if you're a fanboy who doesn't really believe what you claim to think.

FFIX is the best game ever made. I'm not angry at people who hate it for it's many many flaws.

Glob posted...
But he's completely right.

There was no substance to this episode at all.

Yeah. With the exception of Old Man Loki it was just a mess of colors and nonsense with no real story or follow up on plot threads.

It's basically "Jangling keys in front of a baby" the show. Loki doesn't even act like Loki.

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sktgamer_13dude
07/09/21 10:46:47 AM
#145:


>show isnt over yet
>why hasnt the show closed up its story yet!!

idc if you dislike the show, but you literally came in to just shit on the Thanoscopter because everyone else liked it so of course you had to hate it.

Keep trying to deep read into my post though. Im dying of anticipation for the deep read into this one. I bet it means Mephisto is coming!!!
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Medussa
07/09/21 10:49:11 AM
#146:


i finally had enough of his garbage in last week's topic and blocked him. highly recommend; couldn't be happier. though the site not being smart enough to not tell me that there's a new message is super annoying in its own right.

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masterpug53
07/09/21 11:04:22 AM
#147:


I will admit that, while I liked the bit with the various Lokis turning on each other, I was kind of hoping that the episode would be devoted to a subplot where our Loki (or 2012 Loki, or whatever you want to call the main character of this show) ran for 'president' of all the Loki variants. I kept seeing that still image of President Loki in all the promo ads leading up to the show, and for most of the show I had no idea how said image would actually fit in to the overall plot; then after last week's teaser it suddenly clicked and I was like 'ah cool, now it makes sense, President Loki incoming!'

But eh, I keep forgetting that there's only six episodes total, and an election subplot would have taken way too much time. Gotta keep the plot moving mirite folks?

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UnfairRepresent
07/09/21 11:20:12 AM
#148:


sktgamer_13dude posted...
>show isnt over yet
>why hasnt the show closed up its story yet!!

No one complained that the story didn't end in a random episode.

That's a strawman


idc if you dislike the show, but you literally came in to just shit on the Thanoscopter because everyone else liked it so of course you had to hate it.

I literally have no idea what the reaction of everyone else was. I don't look at what other people think and then choose to agree with them like you do. I was just posting my natural unfiltered response

I'm gonna steal a quote from Zero Puntuation here:

It's worth remembering that all reviews are subjective personal opinions, and if you personally enjoy the game then they shouldn't really get to you - unless of course there's a despicable little niggling doubt in the back of your mind, that maybe you're not having as much fun as you've convinced yourself you're having, which doesn't go away no matter how many times you try to slap it down with the wet flannel of weak excuses, like this one

If someone else not liking Loki as much as you love it bothers you so much that you're pretending they are lying and only claiming so to ruin your ball party then that says a lot about you.

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RchHomieQuanChi
07/09/21 11:25:00 AM
#149:


Everybody needs to keep in mind that this show is still getting a 2nd season

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Glob
07/09/21 2:10:17 PM
#150:


Derwood posted...
missing the /s tag?

No.

I thought it was really quite poor.
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