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Solid Snake07
07/03/21 10:30:30 PM
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"Abolish the police!"

"Well we really mean law enforcement needs reform"

Okay, soooooooo, how about "reform the police"

Black lives matter has started the seeming eternal dumb debate of BLM vs all lives matter. How about "our lives matter" it's much more personal messaging and eliminates all the stupid semantics

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nothanks1
07/03/21 10:31:40 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
our lives matter

That would literally fucking have sparked the Alt Right to go 'fuck them. It's all about them'
Also it would have dismissed anyone who isn't black from actually supporting them easily

inb4arguments
but 'our lives matter' would still have been 'black lives matter' from a non-black perosn
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Another_Voice
07/03/21 10:31:44 PM
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LOL, no, didn't you hear? They're trying to dump Defund The Police on the republicans. That was totally their idea!
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monkmith
07/03/21 10:32:56 PM
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build a wall, make mexico pay for it...

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Squall28
07/03/21 10:33:23 PM
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It's clickbait to get attention.

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Kavatar
07/03/21 10:33:40 PM
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"liberals" as if it's one organization.

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toadfan64
07/03/21 10:34:13 PM
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The whole abolish and defund the police thing was so dumb.

There would have been much less hate if the focus was on reform
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Another_Voice
07/03/21 10:34:45 PM
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Kavatar posted...
"liberals" as if it's one organization.

It is, and (((George Soros))) is the CEO
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HylianFox
07/03/21 10:35:21 PM
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For one, liberals are rather diverse while conservatives are more of a hivemind.

It's easier for conservatives to jump on the train.

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toadfan64
07/03/21 10:36:55 PM
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HylianFox posted...
For one, liberals are rather diverse while conservatives are more of a hivemind.

It's easier for conservatives to jump on the train.

Republicans fall in line, while Democrats fall in love is one of the truest statements.
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gamer167
07/03/21 10:38:16 PM
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People get a high from and care more about ruffling the feathers of the other guy than they actually care about whatever cause theyre blabbing about.

On either side of politics.
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Wetterdew
07/03/21 10:39:10 PM
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I think BLM is a good slogan. it's about black people and it's attention-grabbing.

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Blightzkrieg
07/03/21 10:39:20 PM
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Because people who want to misunderstand the message deliberately understand the message.

Jackasses spent half a decade talking about how BLM was a divisive and hateful slogan, and now it's parroted by every brand in the country.

If you don't want to listen, you're obviously not gonna hear anything.

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Solid Snake07
07/03/21 10:40:20 PM
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HylianFox posted...
For one, liberals are rather diverse while conservatives are more of a hivemind.

It's easier for conservatives to jump on the train.


Yeah, that's true. These days the left seems way too busy grandstanding and virtue signaling against each other rather then actually pushing shit forward.

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hockeybub89
07/03/21 10:41:35 PM
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Our Lives Matter would get even more "black supremacy" criticisms from stupid assholes

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Another_Voice
07/03/21 10:42:03 PM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
If you don't want to listen, you're obviously not gonna hear anything.

Wrong. They have contributed nothing to the country they love to criticize, and absolutely do not deserve to have their voices heard, on any subject. Ever.
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Solid Snake07
07/03/21 10:42:23 PM
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nothanks1 posted...
Also it would have dismissed anyone who isn't black from actually supporting them easily


How's that? Feel like it would be more inclusive. It's now like unlawful police shootings are exclusively a black thing

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epik_fail1
07/03/21 10:42:57 PM
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toadfan64 posted...
The whole abolish and defund the police thing was so dumb.

There would have been much less hate if the focus was on reform


As someone leaning left. I have to agree with you. I also saw "abolish prisons " a few times as well
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Blightzkrieg
07/03/21 10:43:30 PM
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Another_Voice posted...
Wrong. They have contributed nothing to the country they love to criticize, and absolutely do not deserve to have their voices heard, on any subject. Ever.
Every major social change of the last century (at least) has come from progressive voices, so ???

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Solid Snake07
07/03/21 10:44:00 PM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
Because people who want to misunderstand the message deliberately understand the message.

Jackasses spent half a decade talking about how BLM was a divisive and hateful slogan, and now it's parroted by every brand in the country.

If you don't want to listen, you're obviously not gonna hear anything.


Think you're greatly underestimating the power of a good messaging strategy in politics.

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hockeybub89
07/03/21 10:45:09 PM
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Another_Voice posted...
Wrong. They have contributed nothing to the country they love to criticize, and absolutely do not deserve to have their voices heard, on any subject. Ever.
"I am a fascist"

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Blightzkrieg
07/03/21 10:47:05 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Think you're greatly underestimating the power of a good messaging strategy in politics.
I think you could probably increase votes with a "black lives don't matter" strategy but that speaks more of the audience than the messaging.

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Another_Voice
07/03/21 10:47:25 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
"I am a fascist"

Unironically
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Nasty_Nitro
07/03/21 10:48:47 PM
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They are very bad at messaging

like damn why not Punish police for killing unarmed people it doesnt have to be a catchy slogan

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Antifar
07/03/21 10:49:38 PM
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Those talking about abolishing the police are not liberals.


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monkmith
07/03/21 10:50:04 PM
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Nasty_Nitro posted...
They are very bad at messaging

like damn why not Punish police for killing unarmed people it doesnt have to be a catchy slogan
you underestimate the power of stupid in groups. catchy slogans have power.

lock her up...

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Intro2Logic
07/03/21 10:52:21 PM
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Nasty_Nitro posted...
They are very bad at messaging

like damn why not Punish police for killing unarmed people it doesnt have to be a catchy slogan
The goal is more than just punishment after the fact. It's a world where police aren't harming people.

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Another_Voice
07/03/21 10:52:32 PM
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monkmith posted...
you underestimate the power of stupid in groups. catchy slogans have power.

lock her up...

Or "Hands Up Don't Shoot", which was never said by Michael Brown ever, but became the main catch phrase of Ferguson
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Solid Snake07
07/03/21 10:52:45 PM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
I think you could probably increase votes with a "black lives don't matter" strategy but that speaks more of the audience than the messaging.


Lol coming out and saying something to that effect would be political suicide. Even for a right wing fringe loon like Marjorie green.

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Xethuminra
07/03/21 10:56:49 PM
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You guys know what comes next, right?

One reform tends to follow the other.
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Intro2Logic
07/03/21 10:58:54 PM
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A thousand times more energy has been spent decrying the "bad messaging" of the still fringe police abolition movement than the wildly unpopular views openly espoused by mainstream Republican politicians.

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iPhone_7
07/03/21 11:12:43 PM
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Do you think Black Lives Matter? If yes please sign here.

Well of course they do. *signs*

Thats great! Say while youre here please sign these as well

Abolish the police
Abolish capitalism
Abolis-

wait wait what?!?

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Webmaster4531
07/03/21 11:26:05 PM
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Do you think all lives matter? If yes please sign here.

Well of course they do. *signs*

Thats great! Say while youre here please sign these as well

Black lives don't matter
The election was stolen
Biden is a communist and a pedophile

wait wait what?!?
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Rhylos
07/04/21 12:36:26 AM
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Liberals are so 1984 it's crazy. If you're not lock in step with their message, they'll attack you.

The response to "all lives matter" should've been "okay, sounds good." Instead it's demonized and called racist.

I've often responded to a lot of topics on CE with a sarcastic "that's wrongthink, punish them." People are allowed their own opinions, but instead people seem to love the witchhunt of "hey, this person said the wrong thing, they must be a racist and must be destroyed."
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LightningAce11
07/04/21 12:39:06 AM
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Mentioning 1984 has to be a meme nowadays. Wonder how many people actually read it instead of posting what they think it's about.

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Guide
07/04/21 12:39:11 AM
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Rhylos posted...
Liberals are so 1984 it's crazy. If you're not lock in step with their message, they'll attack you.

100,000 Trump supporters probably aren't liberal.

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FortuneCookie
07/04/21 12:39:47 AM
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The further one strays from the middle, the crazier a person gets.
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Guide
07/04/21 12:40:27 AM
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(lib messaging is shit though)

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SSJPurple
07/04/21 12:50:55 AM
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As a liberal I would have gone with Reform the police

As a society we have to have laws and people to enforce them, but the system needs a reboot.


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Delirious_Beard
07/04/21 12:53:02 AM
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the kind of people who actually believe abolish the police is effective political messaging would be insulted if they were called liberals. they're also very stupid

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Funcoland
07/04/21 12:54:59 AM
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Rhylos posted...
The response to "all lives matter" should've been "okay, sounds good." Instead it's demonized and called racist.

If your response to "black lives matter" is "all lives matter", there are two possibilities.

1.) You are legitimately ignorant and do not understand context. At all.

2.) You're downplaying the violence committed by police against black people. For reasons.

Maybe this is my bad, but I'm going to actually assume people aren't nearly as dumb as they pretend to be.


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sevihaimerej
07/04/21 1:00:47 AM
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I'm in favor of replacing "abolish the police" with "keep cops under control" or KCUC

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ThanksUglyGod
07/04/21 1:19:14 AM
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Defund/Abolish the police isn't messaging nor a slogan. It's a policy demand. Meaning no matter what you call it, the goal is to defund/abolish the police.

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Xethuminra
07/04/21 1:29:52 AM
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It makes me uncomfortable. I will support the side that will make that go away.
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Iwin2013
07/04/21 1:47:38 AM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
"Abolish the police!"

"Well we really mean law enforcement needs reform"

Okay, soooooooo, how about "reform the police"

Black lives matter has started the seeming eternal dumb debate of BLM vs all lives matter. How about "our lives matter" it's much more personal messaging and eliminates all the stupid semantics

Dude, this one chick whose dating a pal of mine literally told me that I didnt understand the message of BLM. I said I could understand why there is a debate and confusion about it, even today because of it seemingly being black supremacy. And shed get angry and call me a racist and said I was siding with them. I said first of all, wasnt siding with racists. Liberals suck.
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Rhylos
07/04/21 2:50:42 AM
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Funcoland posted...
If your response to "black lives matter" is "all lives matter", there are two possibilities.

1.) You are legitimately ignorant and do not understand context. At all.

2.) You're downplaying the violence committed by police against black people. For reasons.

Maybe this is my bad, but I'm going to actually assume people aren't nearly as dumb as they pretend to be.

You kind of proved my point.

Anyway, there's no reason why blm and alm can't exist side by side, especially when alm includes black people by definition. There's no reason why blm has to be so hostile to every other lives matter movement.

Also, cops kill everyone of every skin color.
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Ryuko_Chan
07/04/21 3:08:40 AM
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lol

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IMNOTRAGED
07/04/21 3:45:55 AM
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I can only assume you meant "defund" and not "abolish." Don't think you're gonna find too many libs who're outright supporting police abolishment. Either way there's an increasing recognition that efforts to reform the police are largely ineffective and the actual way to reduce the incidences of police violence is to reduce the number of interactions between them and people. And the best way to do that is to improve people's material conditions.

Between the right's inherent advantages of having the support of capital and being able to stoke people's fear of change political messaging is always going to be a losing game for the left.

Solid Snake07 posted...
Black lives matter has started the seeming eternal dumb debate of BLM vs all lives matter. How about "our lives matter" it's much more personal messaging and eliminates all the stupid semantics

I'm pretty sure most people get the point. Right wing dickbags concern trolling aren't representative of any general opinion

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Guide
07/04/21 1:49:59 PM
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IMNOTRAGED posted...
I can only assume you meant "defund" and not "abolish." Don't think you're gonna find too many libs who're outright supporting police abolishment. Either way there's an increasing recognition that efforts to reform the police are largely ineffective and the actual way to reduce the incidences of police violence is to reduce the number of interactions between them and people. And the best way to do that is to improve people's material conditions.

Between the right's inherent advantages of having the support of capital and being able to stoke people's fear of change political messaging is always going to be a losing game for the left.

I'm pretty sure most people get the point. Right wing dickbags concern trolling aren't representative of any general opinion

Might be representative of the right's general opinion

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AloneIBreak
07/04/21 1:55:02 PM
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Progressives insist that you not tone police them, but I cant help it. Defund the police is a good idea hindered by an awful, unhelpfully adversarial slogan. Its a shame.

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