Current Events > My thoughts on the Borg while re-watching Star Trek *spoilers*

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The Picard tv series shows us that the Queen and the Borg are still kicking around even after future Janeway did so much damage to them. I can't imagine the Borg recovered to 100% strength so soon after losing all of those cubes and transwarp conduits. I also believe Janeways efforts to implant the seeds of individuality into the collective must have had some success, if only a little.

I bet if there's a season 3 of Picard it'll be centered around the Borg. They have Seven of Nine for fucks sake, and they teased us with the cube in season one while offering no insight into the Borg after VOY beyond rehabilitating former drones and a hidden "throne room" :/

I never thought I'd be curious to explore the Borg lore-wise again but it's been a long time... They were my favorite Star Trek villains as a kid and in a lot of ways they still are. VOY did declaw them compared to their TNG days.

Who could honestly forget that first meeting when they cut through the Enterprise D hull like butter? Compared to VOY where the writers liked to ask themselves "How will we fuck up a bunch of Borg this episode?" Although I must admit I really like how the Borg looked visually in VOY, I also had no complaints about the new Borg vessels and Complexes introduced. The Borg having a Diamond shaped vessel made sense to me for some reason.

Lore wise there were things I liked what VOY brought to the table and things I didn't. I enjoyed the "oh we fucked up" moment the Borg had with Species 8472. It was cool to see a species that could slap them around, and make the Borg face the consequences for assimilation. I didn't like how VOY brought back the Queen and had her act in a way in what I found to be strange and most importantly non-efficient. I know why they introduced her in First Contact, to give the casual viewer a face to the Borg but I could have easily done without her being seen again in VOY.

Well here's hoping that when we see the Borg as the big bad in one of these new series that they will do them justice. Let us have a single Cube wipe out a whole fleet type of justice.

The Borg are cool and all, but it seems odd for a series like Star Trek to have a dedicated "evil" alien race.

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HylianFox posted...

The Borg are cool and all, but it seems odd for a series like Star Trek to have a dedicated "evil" alien race.

It's not at all odd for Star Trek to have a dedicated "evil" race such as the Borg. It's important to first point out that the Borg are a collective hivemind acting in unity, not an organization made up of individuals each with their own thoughts and desires. By having an "evil" race that embodies collectiveness rather than individuality, this gives the writers the opportunity to hammer home a constant message in Star Trek about the importance of individuality, free will, and being allowed to explore ones own uniqueness.

Also Star Trek is a tv show, and having a race of unstoppable technologically superior cybernetic lifeforms makes for good sci-fi. The hivemind seeking perfection, and adding to this perfection by assimilating other life forms is what makes the Borg so interesting and horrifying!

Let's all take a moment and laugh at the Kazon for being too pathetic for the Borg to assimilate.
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StarDestroyer posted...

It's not at all odd for Star Trek to have a dedicated "evil" race such as the Borg. It's important to first point out that the Borg are a collective hivemind acting in unity, not an organization made up of individuals each with their own thoughts and desires.

So if you fuck one of them they all feel it?
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Collectives always beat out lone individuals

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I'm aware that the Borg are weak to melee or projectile weapons.

Like when Picard applied heat with a Thompson.

I often wondered about Worf letting lose with a M61 Vulcan.

Hell even arm their ships with the big ones like the Navy or how Warthogs and C-130s have on them.


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HylianFox posted...

The Borg are cool and all, but it seems odd for a series like Star Trek to have a dedicated "evil" alien race.

They're not evil. The Borg genuinely think they're doing everyone a favor and that their way of life is better.

And I'd be interested to see how modern Trek could fuck up the Borg.
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StarDestroyer posted...

The Picard tv series shows us

You lost me right there.

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HylianFox posted...

The Borg are cool and all, but it seems odd for a series like Star Trek to have a dedicated "evil" alien race.

In the original Star Trek series, all members of the Klingon race were treated as evil. The creator of Star Trek received much criticism for that

xue1 posted...

In the original Star Trek series, all members of the Klingon race were treated as evil. The creator of Star Trek received much criticism for that

Uh... no. I mean criticism came years later from the Klingons being thinly veiled stand-ins for the Chinese. And even then I dont remember how much of that occurred while Roddenberry was alive. Is that what youre talking about?

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They must've changed Klingons a lot because they're Norse-like in TNG.

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sabin017 posted...

They must've changed Klingons a lot because they're Norse-like in TNG.

I figured they were based off Genghis Khan in the OT.

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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Let's all take a moment and laugh at the Kazon for being too pathetic for the Borg to assimilate.

God the Kazon sucked so much

PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

I'm aware that the Borg are weak to melee or projectile weapons.

Like when Picard applied heat with a Thompson.

The Borg would easily adapt to projectile weapons. If the threat of projectile weapons was great enough to slow down or even halt the Borg, they would simply adapt their shielding to resist such weaponry.

The Klingons were supposed to represent the evil Soviet Union which is why they're so one dimensional in TOS. I also believe there looks were modeled after Ghengis Khan, and by the time the Star Trek motion picture came out, they were thankfully redesigned into the TNG - DS9 Klingons that we all love to this day <.<

TNG made them into these norse-samurai hybrid warriors that were much more complex and ritualistic rather than just one dimensional villains' that we saw in TOS.