Current Events > Vegans on Master Chef...why?

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Oh, I didn't see that was Hair Aristotle.

That guy is a fruitnutter.

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Drrobotniks posted...

just take the L dude, he's right you did kind of slip up there

I have no clue what you're talking about. Maybe if you'd read the topic you'd see that I already said I eat meat despite having no reason to other than hedonism

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Opisseus posted...

I have no clue what you're talking about. Maybe if you'd read the topic you'd see that I already said I eat meat despite having no reason to other than hedonism

OMG will you shut the fuck up? Do you even know what hypocrisy is?

Is this some new thing? Self hating carnivores? Dude you are making absolutely no sense, and literally arguing just to argue

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Veganism topics are always so angry
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PoundGarden posted...

And if you think all livestock live in Tyson Foods conditions, you have no business commenting. I've spent the last 20 years of my life in farming communities. The animals have plenty of room to roam and are not mistreated. It makes zero sense to damage and abuse your product, and in 20 years I know of only ONE farmer in my community who had less than stellar conditions, and was reported and corrected the issues. Smaller communities actually care about their food and the conditions they live in.

You talk about Tyson like theyre some small player. They slaughter over 6 million chickens a year. I live in a rural area too, and everyone gets a majority of their meat from the grocery store and fast food like everyone else. Unless you are paying out the ass for your meat its not ethical (as ethical as killing an innocent animal 1/4th of the way through its life as can be).

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Opisseus posted...

You can use your words, champ. Its ok. You said something really, really stupid and got called out. Roll your eyes all you want, you still tried to make a point and failed spectacularly. It happens, been there myself. You'll get through it.

Son Of Spam posted...

You talk about Tyson like theyre some small player. They slaughter over 6 million chickens a year.

Nothing i said implies or states that, sorry if thats how you interpreted it. I won't eat Tyson products because of their deplorable conditions and their outrageous Covid betting.

Son Of Spam posted...

I live in a rural area too, and everyone gets a majority of their meat from the grocery store and fast food like everyone else. Unless you are paying out the ass for your meat its not ethical (as ethical as killing an innocent animal 1/4th of the way through its life as can be).

You don't have to "pay out the ass", not sure where you're getting that. Yes you pay more, but the difference in quality of local vs mass produced is night and day. My FB feed is flooded with posts from my local group around slaughter time, people going in on a 1/4 side of beef and sharing to reduce the cost. It's not that uncommon in rural areas.

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PoundGarden posted...

You can use your words, champ. Its ok. You said something really, really stupid and got called out. Roll your eyes all you want, you still tried to make a point and failed spectacularly. It happens, been there myself. You'll get through it.

I tried to have a discussion and you played the semantic nerd game while oozing condescension and insults for...reasons? I neither know nor do I care

Therefore,

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Opisseus posted...

I tried to have a discussion and you played the semantic nerd game while oozing condescension and insults for...reasons? I neither know nor do I care

Therefore,

And yet, here you are shitposting and nobody knows wtf you're even on about. The ol "everyone is crazy but ME" routine, love it LMFAO!

LMFAO, those words don't mean what you think they do. What a ridiculous human being you are

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Whose alt is this one anyway

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Opisseus posted...

LMAO, you got nothing

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PoundGarden posted...

You don't have to "pay out the ass", not sure where you're getting that. Yes you pay more, but the difference in quality of local vs mass produced is night and day. My FB feed is flooded with posts from my local group around slaughter time, people going in on a 1/4 side of beef and sharing to reduce the cost. It's not that uncommon in rural areas.

So I guess you never buy meat from any grocery store or eat at any restaurant? Thats nearly as limiting as a plant-based diet is.

Around here small farm meat costs twice as much and has limited availability. And people say veganism is only for the privileged. If free range was the only meat available it would be even more expensive. Animal ag already takes up a majority of all farm land even with factory farms. Without factory farming theres no way we would have even close to enough land to satisfy current and future demand.


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Son Of Spam posted...

So I guess you never buy meat from any grocery store or eat at any restaurant? Thats nearly as limiting as a plant-based diet is.

I never said that, what an odd thing to infer

Son Of Spam posted...

Around here small farm meat costs twice as much and has limited availability. And people say veganism is only for the privileged.

Sorry your town sucks?

Son Of Spam posted...

Animal ag already takes up a majority of all farm land even with factory farms. Without factory farming theres no way we would have even close to enough land to satisfy current and future demand.

Are you under the impression I'm against factory farming? Because I'm not, I would just like to see better standards and conditions for the livestock

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PoundGarden posted...

Are you under the impression I'm against factory farming? Because I'm not, I would just like to see better standards and conditions for the livestock

And to improve those conditions they will need to give the animals much more room to live. Which goes back to the original problem I brought up. We are already using way too much land to house farm animals. This would make it even worse.

I'm all for improving conditions in factory farms myself. Plant-based and cultured meat are already expected to eventually become cheaper than animal meat under the current system. This would just drive them towards price parity even quicker.

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Opisseus posted...

I just don't understand where the defensiveness of meat eaters comes from. I eat meat, I recognize that as a moral failing. I recognize it to be an even bigger moral failing that I haven't committed to vegetarianism due to that

You don't need to be like xDDD vegetarians so smug kek I'll order an extra 3 burgers now!!!

You could just be like, honestly you're right. Or not say anything

Eating meat is not a moral failing.

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Son Of Spam posted...

And to improve those conditions they will need to give the animals much more room to live. Which goes back to the original problem I brought up. We are already using way too much land to house farm animals. This would make it even worse.

I'm all for improving conditions in factory farms myself. Plant-based and cultured meat are already expected to eventually become cheaper than animal meat under the current system. This would just drive them towards price parity even quicker.

10/10 post.

And you're right. Prices for plant-based meat is already dropping:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/06/08/plant-based-proteins-pricing/

Plant-based meat was having a moment before the pandemic, nabbing celebrity investors, record-setting IPOs, Whopper fast-food deals and high-end chefs who transformed pea protein and soy into savory, expectation-defying deliciousness.

Then the pandemic hit, restaurants closed, and many Americans were stuck at home battling anxiety and sourdough starters. Industry experts wondered whether enthusiasm for this new food category would falter and sales flag would plant-based meat turn out to be a fad rather than a movement? It fleetingly looked grim: Last April, plant-based protein shipments to restaurants fell 27 percent, according to market research firm NPD Group.

However, it appears that those worries were ill-founded. Alt-meat has emerged stronger than ever, much of it because of one thing: price.

Supply-chain problems and virus outbreaks in meat-processing plants have led to meat price increases that far outstrip those of groceries overall. Meanwhile, its getting easier and less expensive for companies to create a lot more of these plant-based proteins, bringing down the costs of the soy and pea-protein meats, dairy and eggs much faster than anticipated.

A pound of ground Beyond Meat is down to about $5.70. Beef prices, up 3.3 percent from a year ago, mean ground beef can cost between $4.10 and $6, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Impossible Foods has cut its restaurant prices twice in the past year, and in February, the companycut retail prices by 20 percent, bringing the price of two quarter-pound patties down to $5.49.

We plan to keep lowering prices as we achieve new production records and economies of scale and ultimately undercut the price of ground beef from cows, said Impossible Foods President Dennis Woodside in an email.

Even plant-based egg prices are coming down. Matt Riley, senior vice president of global partnerships at Eat Just, said the company took its mung-bean-based Just Egg from $7.99 to $5.99 in March 2020 and then down to $3.99 in January of this year about the price of many pasture-raised eggs at the farmers market.

These price reductions, against a backdrop of surging grocery prices overall, have pushed the skeptics and the curious over the edge: Theyre trying it. Beyond Meats grocery store revenue was up 108 percent in 2020, with more people reportedly becoming repeat customers. And while Impossible Foods, a private company, doesnt release sales numbers, in 2020 it expanded retail sales from fewer than 150 grocery stores to 17,000 stores, as well as via direct-to-consumer sales.

And the playing field got more crowded.In a year when groceries were just about the only thing consumers were buying, an eye-popping 112 new plant-based meat, egg and dairy brands hit grocery aisles in 2020, reflecting some $3.1 billion worth of new investments in alternative proteins, according to the Good Food Institute, a nonprofit organization that promotes alternatives to traditional meat, dairy and eggs.

Also, even asmany restaurants were reduced to takeout, delivery and limited indoor dining, plant-based proteins on restaurant menus jumped by 118 percent in 2020, according to Datassential, a food market research company.