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lolife67 07/04/21 8:31:08 AM #152:	Glob posted... Isn't that always explained away as Odin magic? More like Loki's. He's a shape shifter and changed as a baby to mimic Odin. <cite>lolife67 posted [p:955730525] in Loki Episo... [t:79539542]...</cite> <quote>Glob posted... </cite> <quote>Isn't that always explained away as Odin magic?</quote>More like Loki's. He's a shape shifter and changed as a baby to mimic Odin. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glob 07/04/21 8:47:14 AM #153:	UnfairRepresent posted... Inside of the TBA where magic doesn't work We don't know what the limitations are. Existing enchantments might not be undone. UnfairRepresent posted... And yet undone by the casket What? UnfairRepresent posted... explained away as lazy writing MCU often doesn't have particularly great writing, but I think lazy is the wrong word. <cite>Glob posted [p:955730782] in Loki Episo... [t:79539542]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Inside of the TBA where magic doesn't work</quote> We don't know what the limitations are. Existing enchantments might not be undone. UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>And yet undone by the casket</quote> What? UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>explained away as lazy writing</quote> MCU often doesn't have particularly great writing, but I think lazy is the wrong word. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Opisseus 07/04/21 8:49:41 AM #154:	Medussa posted... he also had a stone or two for a lot of the tanky stuff, no? Why would mind stone and space stone make him tanky? --- Hairistotle. Mike is fine too He/him <cite>Opisseus posted [p:955730816] in Loki Episo... [t:79539542]...</cite> <quote>Medussa posted... </cite> <quote>he also had a stone or two for a lot of the tanky stuff, no?</quote>Why would mind stone and space stone make him tanky? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chadawah 07/04/21 8:57:01 AM #155:	Immortus <cite>Chadawah posted [p:955730922] in Loki Episo... [t:79539542]...</cite> <quote>Immortus </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KogaSteelfang 07/04/21 9:06:16 AM #156:	Opisseus posted... Why would mind stone and space stone make him tanky? This. He was thrashed by Hulk and it only just stunned him for a few minutes. He was up and mocking the avengers again right after that. As the show displayed, he's also capable of tossing buildings. So he absolutely has durability and should easily be able to hold his own against others in an actual fight, even if he prefers to avoid that. It's just so strange to see him hurt and struggling against a random Roxxcart trucker on Earth, and apparently human strength guards on Lamentis. If they were going to buff his powerset, they shouldn't have had those scenes the way they were. Should've been Sylvie herself that beat him up before the reveal, and at least a couple huge looking guards to toss him out of the train. Maybe have them tank a magic blast from him before, so they don't appear to just be plain human equivalent. --- Work in progress, please be patient. <cite>KogaSteelfang posted [p:955731073] in Loki Episo... [t:79539542]...</cite> <quote>Opisseus posted... </cite> <quote>Why would mind stone and space stone make him tanky?</quote>This. He was thrashed by Hulk and it only just stunned him for a few minutes. He was up and mocking the avengers again right after that. As the show displayed, he's also capable of tossing buildings. So he absolutely has durability and should easily be able to hold his own against others in an actual fight, even if he prefers to avoid that. It's just so strange to see him hurt and struggling against a random Roxxcart trucker on Earth, and apparently human strength guards on Lamentis. If they were going to buff his powerset, they shouldn't have had those scenes the way they were. Should've been Sylvie herself that beat him up before the reveal, and at least a couple huge looking guards to toss him out of the train. Maybe have them tank a magic blast from him before, so they don't appear to just be plain human equivalent. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IMNOTRAGED 07/04/21 9:51:16 AM #157:	KogaSteelfang posted... It's just so strange to see him hurt and struggling against a random Roxxcart trucker on Earth It's silly that he's getting tossed around and seems out of breath or whatever but it's not like he's legitimately trying to fight the dude. Beating the dude's ass would've gotten him nowhere. Could also be explained away as "anyone enchanted is buffed significantly." KogaSteelfang posted... apparently human strength guards on Lamentis. What are we basing this on again? Sylvie was struggling against them too despite owning the TVA dudes every time --- https://imgur.com/kkm3QaD "Be ruthless with systems; be kind to people." <cite>IMNOTRAGED posted [p:955731812] in Loki Episo... [t:79539542]...</cite> <quote>KogaSteelfang posted... </cite> <quote> It's just so strange to see him hurt and struggling against a random Roxxcart trucker on Earth</quote> It's silly that he's getting tossed around and seems out of breath or whatever but it's not like he's legitimately trying to fight the dude. Beating the dude's ass would've gotten him nowhere. Could also be explained away as "anyone enchanted is buffed significantly." KogaSteelfang posted... </cite> <quote>apparently human strength guards on Lamentis.</quote> What are we basing this on again? Sylvie was struggling against them too despite owning the TVA dudes every time </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 07/04/21 9:56:41 AM #158:	Glob posted... We don't know what the limitations are. Existing enchantments might not be undone. As I said, lazy writing No magic works including infinity stones except this one enchantment What? MCU often doesn't have particularly great writing, but I think lazy is the wrong word. Glob posted... What? Thor 1's macguffin When Loki held it, it undid Odins whiteface Glob posted... MCU often doesn't have particularly great writing, but I think lazy is the wrong word. I'd say so its extremely lazy to not have consistent rules and not explain things it defacto makes everything meaningless --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:955731924] in Loki Episo... [t:79539542]...</cite> <quote>Glob posted... </cite> <quote>We don't know what the limitations are. Existing enchantments might not be undone.</quote> As I said, lazy writing No magic works including infinity stones except this one enchantment <quote> What? MCU often doesn't have particularly great writing, but I think lazy is the wrong word.</quote> Glob posted... </cite> <quote>What?</quote>Thor 1's macguffin When Loki held it, it undid Odins whiteface Glob posted... </cite> <quote>MCU often doesn't have particularly great writing, but I think lazy is the wrong word.</quote>I'd say so its extremely lazy to not have consistent rules and not explain things it defacto makes everything meaningless </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KogaSteelfang 07/04/21 10:17:14 AM #159:	IMNOTRAGED posted... What are we basing this on again? Sylvie was struggling against them too despite owning the TVA dudes every time There was just nothing about them that implied otherwise. Just like the Roxxcart fight, he could easily have been an Asgardian, a Kree, or a Skill, or whatever alien you want to plug in. There was just nothing about him to suggest that was the case. From everything we saw, it was just a normal human. Sure, the Lamentis people are aliens, but everything else about them besides where they live implied they were basically equivalent to humans with no reason to think otherwise. Aside from them beating up Loki, which had just been shown to be possible by just a random human guy. So, there's still not really anything to suggest they were super in any way. --- Work in progress, please be patient. <cite>KogaSteelfang posted [p:955732373] in Loki Episo... [t:79539542]...</cite> <quote>IMNOTRAGED posted... </cite> <quote>What are we basing this on again? Sylvie was struggling against them too despite owning the TVA dudes every time</quote>There was just nothing about them that implied otherwise. Just like the Roxxcart fight, he could easily have been an Asgardian, a Kree, or a Skill, or whatever alien you want to plug in. There was just nothing about him to suggest that was the case. From everything we saw, it was just a normal human. Sure, the Lamentis people are aliens, but everything else about them besides where they live implied they were basically equivalent to humans with no reason to think otherwise. Aside from them beating up Loki, which had just been shown to be possible by just a random human guy. So, there's still not really anything to suggest they were super in any way. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hornezz 07/04/21 10:46:25 AM #160:	Whether or not the TVA's magic rules are inconsistent depends on how the rules are implemented. We weren't given a whole lot of details on that. It's either: 1: No magic works and everything achieved through magic is retroactively undone by being inside the TVA. or 2: No new magic spells can be cast while inside the TVA. Since Loki didn't revert to his blue skin form, it's likely to be the second one. The second rule does have precedence in the MCU by the way. In Wandavision when Wanda steps inside Agatha's basement she can't cast new spells but she is still wearing her sitcom outfit which she got by magic. And when Agatha is inside Wanda's circle of runes near the end, she can't cast new spells but she is still able to fly because of magic she cast before entering the circle. If we assume the TVA works in a somewhat similar way to Wandavision's ~~rune magic barriers~~, then it's entirely consistent with pre-established rules. --- In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes. <cite>Hornezz posted [p:955732991] in Loki Episo... [t:79539542]...</cite> <quote>Whether or not the TVA's magic rules are inconsistent depends on how the rules are implemented. We weren't given a whole lot of details on that. It's either: 1: No magic works and everything achieved through magic is retroactively undone by being inside the TVA. or 2: No new magic spells can be cast while inside the TVA. Since Loki didn't revert to his blue skin form, it's likely to be the second one. The second rule does have precedence in the MCU by the way. In Wandavision when Wanda steps inside Agatha's basement she can't cast new spells but she is still wearing her sitcom outfit which she got by magic. And when Agatha is inside Wanda's circle of runes near the end, she can't cast new spells but she is still able to fly because of magic she cast before entering the circle. If we assume the TVA works in a somewhat similar way to Wandavision's rune magic barriers, then it's entirely consistent with pre-established rules. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KogaSteelfang 07/04/21 11:21:56 AM #162:	Could also be that his shape shifting isn't magic. It's a biological trait of the Skulls, maybe it's one of Loki's too as he used it as a baby and he had to be taught magic later. Or if it was actually was Odin's magic instead, maybe it changed his default form to Asgardian and there was nothing to undo. --- Work in progress, please be patient. <cite>KogaSteelfang posted [p:955733688] in Loki Episo... [t:79539542]...</cite> <quote>Could also be that his shape shifting isn't magic. It's a biological trait of the Skulls, maybe it's one of Loki's too as he used it as a baby and he had to be taught magic later. Or if it was actually was Odin's magic instead, maybe it changed his default form to Asgardian and there was nothing to undo. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TurtleInFreedom 07/05/21 12:02:49 AM #163:	Itt: people trying hard to establish logical consistency in children's entertainment. Just enjoy the show, jesus you nerds. <cite>TurtleInFreedom posted [p:955754285] in Loki Episo... [t:79539542]...</cite> <quote>Itt: people trying hard to establish logical consistency in children's entertainment. Just enjoy the show, jesus you nerds. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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