Current Events > Woman goes on a transphobic tirade after encountering a trans person in the spa

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Did i really read a poster that said he'd prey on women in shared bathroom spaces?

Holy. Fuck.

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MachineJaipur posted...

Acknowledging that society will wrongly blame them every step of the way is not the same as myself blaming them.

You're full of shit. Several times now you've said you agree with the cis feeling uncomfortable around trans people. More than that, you've been defending these discriminatory rules all topic. You were one of the ones who suggested the spa implement them, ffs.

If you're okay with implementing and upholding discrimination, it means you're also discriminating.

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There is potential for abuse any time you let literally anyone in, and unlike you most people dont get giddy at the idea of preying on someone in the bathroom.

Well most women are not comfortable with this kind of thing, so your problem is them. Go tell them that you have an issue with all this. I'm sure you'll get a great response.

The Trent posted...

You want to be the fattest, nakedest country in the world...why

Well, why not.

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shockthemonkey posted...

And yet you keep blaming them anyway.

I'm really just trying to indicate which way the wind blows in regards to this topic societally and that this isn't the fight to fight (at least right now) if you want regular random people to view transpeople favorably.

If you really just don't care about that then you do you I guess.

Crescente posted...

Well most women are not comfortable with this kind of thing, so your problem is them. Go tell them that you have an issue with all this. I'm sure you'll get a great response.

So most women are pieces of shit?

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MachineJaipur posted...

I'm really just trying to indicate which way the wind blows in regards to this topic societally and that this isn't the fight to fight (at least right now) if you want regular random people to view transpeople favorably.

If you really just don't care about that then you do you I guess.

If this isn't the fight to take on right now, what is?

Because from where I'm standing it sounds like you don't think we should fight any at all. For that matter, the was never a fight, it was a bigot getting upset at a trans woman existing in a place where the employees had no issue with her being there. You're the one twisting it into a fight when we've already clearly won.

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gunplagirl posted...

If this isn't the fight to take on right now, what is?

Because from where I'm standing it sounds like you don't think we should fight any at all. For that matter, the was never a fight, it was a bigot getting upset at a trans woman existing in a place where the employees had no issue with her being there. You're the one twisting it into a fight when we've already clearly won.

People like Machine here deem the existence of trans people an unsightly inconvenience. Viewing each of his long-winded diatribes through that lens makes it perfectly clear his feelings on the matter

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MachineJaipur posted...

Guess what society is going to do in this case.

They're not going to blame the transphobic lady for being a transphobe. They're going to blame the transwoman. Guess who dictates who is and isn't accepted in society? Society. If you don't want transpeople to be accepted by the majority, then by all means feel that way. I want a society that accepts transpeople. Good progress is being made. Muddying the name of transpeople everywhere with easily divisive situations like this only serves to harm the progress being made.

"Sorry Jewish people, I am a German civilian in 1944 and know what's going on but I don't think this is the fight we need to be making right now because most Germans seem to be okay with what's happening to you. I want them to truly accept you."

That's what you sound like. You don't think making trouble for the status quo is all right so you'll let a minority be punished and even side against them saying they shouldn't fight until the status quo accepts them. They never will. No one has ever been freed of their subjugators by simply staying out of the way.

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*throws confetti*

Godwins law achieved!


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masticatingman posted...

Women wont be cool with seeing dicks openly in a public setting, lol, ever.

Id probably enjoy it even though Im not attracted to women
but I like dicks

shockthemonkey posted...

did you literally just admit to being a predator? God damn dude

and now being ok with seeing the opposite sex's genitals nude makes you a sexual predator?

Bass_X0 posted...

One swimming pool I go to has a public changing rooms where you're only allowed to change behind a closed cubicle door. There may well be a male or female in the cubicle next to you. You just can't walk outside of your changing room naked. Not even to use the shower. You have to wear your swimming costume to use the shower.

Thats how mixed changing rooms should be.

I agree with this. If the place doesn't offer this option and you have a problem with genitals, go somewhere that does offer it.
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shockthemonkey posted...

If you want us to accept trans people and give them equal treatment then they have to behave how I want them to is never going to be a good argument and will always be transphobic.

mmmhm. they don't want to see, hear, or notice trans people in any meaningful way.

We shouldn't be seeking meerly acceptance from a society that wants only complacency and compliance. We should be demanding respect and justice.

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shockthemonkey posted...

If you want us to accept trans people and give them equal treatment then they have to behave how I want them to is never going to be a good argument and will always be transphobic.

It might surprise you to know but, society is still rather transphobic.

If you want to be friends with someone (accepted by them) but you constantly do things that conflict with their long held beliefs, can you really blame them if they find you insufferable? Or if you never meet them in the middle on something until you're good friends?

No wonder CE doesn't know how to act, you guys constantly go my way or the highway about everything and anyone who dares to even question you is labeled as the -phobe flavor of the week.

Opisseus posted...

People like Machine here deem the existence of trans people an unsightly inconvenience. Viewing each of their long-winded diatribes through that lens makes it perfectly clear their feelings on the matter

^^^^

literally what is the point in continuing with them

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MachineJaipur posted...

It might surprise you to know but, society is still rather transphobic.

If you want to be friends with someone (accepted by them) but you constantly do things that conflict with their long held beliefs, can you really blame them if they find you insufferable? Or if you never meet them in the middle on something until you're good friends?

No wonder CE doesn't know how to act, you guys constantly go my way or the highway about everything and anyone who dares to even question you is labeled as the -phobe flavor of the week.

"You being trans annoys me, meet me somewhere in the middle between 'treating you with basic levels of human dignity' and 'object to be punished for existing in my presence'."

You're still putting the onus on the fucking victims of discrimination here, jfc.

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The argument that progress must be incremental and that people have to wait on being treated decently reeks of privilege.

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Southernfatman posted...

I always felt the argument that progress must be incremental and that people have to wait on being treated decently reeks of privilege.

That's best case scenario. Worst case scenario is they're definitively anti acceptance, which is most assuredly the case here

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QueenCarly posted...

mmmhm. they don't want to see, hear, or notice trans people in any meaningful way.

We shouldn't be seeking meerly acceptance from a society that wants only complacency and compliance. We should be demanding respect and justice.

Yet you seemingly don't want to take any steps to earn said respect and justice.

Pull this stickfigure signs off the doors, and this problem is solved immediately.

Conflict posted...

That's literally a Peter Gabriel song, dude.

You're saying he was a racist too?!

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So she saw a nice bulby penis huh

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Southernfatman posted...

I always felt the argument that progress must be incremental and that people have to wait on being treated decently reeks of privilege.

Correct. "If you really deserve it you'll get it" and other lines like that. "Just wait on it or the people who already hate you will hate you more but we'll say it's your fault this time." Or the classic "if you don't let them say these horrible false things about your entire community, you'll turn an ally into an enemy" when the person in question meet once showed they actually had any intention of support.

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MachineJaipur posted...

Yet you seemingly don't want to take any steps to earn said respect and justice.

You just called her an "uppity" trans person. Jfc. I can't.

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MachineJaipur posted...

Yet you seemingly don't want to take any steps to earn said respect and justice.

Lets put it in another perspective because I have also heard this before in terms of latino things and things that entail that there is no respect or justice I have to give to you to fight for unalienable rights

Laying down what parameters would work and wouldnt work seemed like the fun part of a discussion like this - but it wont happen when youre needlessly stonewalling a conversation because you want respect of some sort

I dont need to give you respect when you frizz out over the fact that someone is righteously upset over an issue that affects them and you say you need to calm down first

thats just a fools game son

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RedJackson posted...

Laying down what parameters would work and wouldnt work seemed like the fun part of a discussion like this - but it wont happen when youre needlessly stonewalling a conversation because you want respect of some sort

The parameters I offered, as what I thought of as a temporary stop gap or middle ground, were labeled as discriminatory and transphobic.

I don't think demanding the right to show penises to little girls is a paramater that ever works out well for anyone involved.

And I don't really think I'm going to get respect out of this topic so I'm not really demanding respect here. I just think if you want to be taken seriously you should at least be respectful, which judging by some of the comments here isn't going to happen because nobody here seems to want to even earn any respect ever. Just demand it and if you they don't get 100% of your respect then you're a phobe.

RedJackson posted...

I dont need to give you respect when you frizz out over the fact that someone is righteously upset over an issue that affects them and you say you need to calm down first

thats just a fools game son

Perhaps. (Though approaching something from a calm mind is usually preferable)

Maybe I'm just too patient and courteous to have the passion to step on everyones toes on my way. Have made needless enemies in the past doing so.

CE should have exploded from irony when someone unironically stated that its unfair to presume people want to share bathrooms for predatory reasons . . . then accused someone of sexual predation simply for jokingly saying theyd be ok with them, despite that poster never mentioning any action that would constitute predation.

Artemis86 posted...

CE should have exploded from irony when someone unironically stated that its unfair to presume people want to share bathrooms for predatory reasons . . . then accused someone of sexual predation simply for jokingly saying theyd be ok with them, despite that poster never mentioning any action that would constitute predation.

CE doesn't do jokes.

Why do you think Man Fan topics are still a thing 9 years later?

The woman was definately going on a transphobic tirade, but she is right about the situation. I most definately not feel comfortable for my wife and daughter to be exposed to someone's dick like that.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Then why dont you think people should be respectful towards trans people

They should. I just think it's unrealistic to outright demand it, at least in regards to this particular situation. Demand it nearly literally anywhere else and I can't see but a few situations where I'd even advise caution.

shockthemonkey posted...

Cant let those minorities get too uppity and start demanding equal treatment or even basic respect

I'd get arrested if I whipped my dick out in ladies spa
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voldothegr8 posted...

I'd get arrested if I whipped my dick out in ladies spa

and so should everyone who has a dick.

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Dont mind my balls ladies for i am one of you

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shockthemonkey posted...

Cant let those minorities get too uppity and start demanding equal treatment or even basic respect

As I've said, I just feel this specific situation is one where being 'too uppity' as you call it will only ever backfire in your face, potentially to the point of setting trans rights back by it being made law that you have to use the area that corresponds to your genitals, instead of it merely being a choice as it is now.

That's my primary concern.

I even offered ways to address the situation in a more metered approach so the situation can eventually be handled but I guess that's just discrimination.

You can 'be uppity' all you want just about anywhere else. Saying you should exercise caution in one situation isn't the same as saying you should exercise caution everywhere.

MachineJaipur posted...

As I've said, I just feel this specific situation is one where being 'too uppity' as you call it will only ever backfire in your face, potentially to the point of setting trans rights back by it being made law that you have to use the area that corresponds to your genitals, instead of it merely being a choice as it is now.

That's my primary concern.

I even offered ways to address the situation in a more metered approach so the situation can eventually be handled but I guess that's just discrimination.

You can 'be uppity' all you want just about anywhere else. Saying you should exercise caution in one situation isn't the same as saying you should exercise caution everywhere.

There's literally been attempts (some successful) that banned trans people from using the proper facilities. If your concern is people passing those laws, they were doing it already. Basically? Fuck off.

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gunplagirl posted...

There's literally been attempts (some successful) that banned trans people from using the proper facilities. If your concern is people passing those laws, they were doing it already. Basically? Fuck off.

So you'd like to give said people more easy ammo instead of exercising patience in an already easily avoidable situation?

If it was merely their opinion on the line I can understand having a rather cavalier attitude towards them but if they've demonstrated an ability to change laws and/or impose new laws, is it really the best thing to give them more ammunition to use in court?

MachineJaipur posted...

So you'd like to give said people more easy ammo instead of exercising patience in an already easily avoidable situation?

If it was merely their opinion on the line I can understand having a rather cavalier attitude towards them but if they've demonstrated an ability to change laws and/or impose new laws, is it really the best thing to give them more ammunition to use in court?

They're already in fucking court, they don't need ammunition, they're bigots who will make up hypotheticals to attack us. They'll say cis male predators might hurt people, so trans women (a completely unrelated group) need to be banned despite that hypothetical not even happening.

Why the hell have you ever done to earn basic human dignity from the masses? Nothing, it was always there for you. You don't know what you're talking about on this, you only know how to defend the status quo which benefits you. So again, fuck off.

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So yep, everyones gonna just gloss over that someone jokingly said theyd support co ed bathrooms, and without any further prompting, multiple people presumed they wanted to sexually assault people without any evidence beyond an obvious joke.

No shame.