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What_ 06/25/21 7:52:53 PM #152:	Questionmarktarius posted... The plot thickens: https://www.insider.com/florida-collapsed-condo-was-part-of-2015-maintenance-lawsuit-2021-6 Oh shit <cite>What_ posted [p:955434586] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>The plot thickens: https://www.insider.com/florida-collapsed-condo-was-part-of-2015-maintenance-lawsuit-2021-6</quote>Oh shit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DepreceV2 06/25/21 7:55:04 PM #153:	Bio1590 posted... You know I saw this tweet, and you know what, he's right https://twitter.com/NeeNeinNyetNo/status/1408425175960506370 Agreed Madcow posted... The missing are probably all dead at this point, no? Yep --- Reminder: On March 2nd, 2021, Texas removed mask mandates and allowed 100% capacity for businesses. <cite>DepreceV2 posted [p:955434632] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Bio1590 posted... </cite> <quote>You know I saw this tweet, and you know what, he's right https://twitter.com/NeeNeinNyetNo/status/1408425175960506370</quote> Agreed Madcow posted... </cite> <quote>The missing are probably all dead at this point, no?</quote> Yep </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 06/25/21 11:48:47 PM #155:	Bio1590 posted... You know I saw this tweet, and you know what, he's right https://twitter.com/NeeNeinNyetNo/status/1408425175960506370 Are not treating this like a catastrophe? There's not a whole hell of a lot anyone not actively lifting chunks of building can actually do, and there's an increasing sense of meaningless-platitude fatigue creeping into the zeitgeist. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:955441224] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Bio1590 posted... </cite> <quote>You know I saw this tweet, and you know what, he's right https://twitter.com/NeeNeinNyetNo/status/1408425175960506370</quote> Are not treating this like a catastrophe? There's not a whole hell of a lot anyone not actively lifting chunks of building can actually do, and there's an increasing sense of meaningless-platitude fatigue creeping into the zeitgeist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 06/26/21 12:21:23 AM #156:	SaquonDaGod posted... What exactly are we supposed to do though? Its dark to say this but most of those people are probably flattened under the ruins They said one of the people was so disfigured that they couldnt be identified from their face. Questionmarktarius posted... Are not treating this like a catastrophe? There's not a whole hell of a lot anyone not actively lifting chunks of building can actually do, and there's an increasing sense of meaningless-platitude fatigue creeping into the zeitgeist. It doesn't just need to be about the actual building. Do you think any meaningful change is going to come from this? I'll concede the tweet is wrong on one thing - the UK Government basically still hasn't done shit after the Grenfell Tower fire, and in fact there have been three more fires since then (obviously nowhere near as bad) in buildings with similar or the exact same (some of which was installed after the Grenfell fire) cladding that caused the problem at Grenfell. --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/S1m3po4 https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:955441982] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>SaquonDaGod posted...</cite> <quote> What exactly are we supposed to do though? Its dark to say this but most of those people are probably flattened under the ruins They said one of the people was so disfigured that they couldnt be identified from their face. </quote> Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote> Are not treating this like a catastrophe? There's not a whole hell of a lot anyone not actively lifting chunks of building can actually do, and there's an increasing sense of meaningless-platitude fatigue creeping into the zeitgeist. </quote> It doesn't just need to be about the actual building. Do you think any meaningful change is going to come from this? I'll concede the tweet is wrong on one thing - the UK Government basically still hasn't done shit after the Grenfell Tower fire, and in fact there have been three more fires since then (obviously nowhere near as bad) in buildings with similar or the exact same (some of which was installed after the Grenfell fire) cladding that caused the problem at Grenfell.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/26/21 12:28:15 AM #157:	Bio1590 posted... Do you think any meaningful change is going to come from this? Likely new regulations about building on fill, which will just screw up the housing market even more. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:955442142] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Bio1590 posted... </cite> <quote>Do you think any meaningful change is going to come from this?</quote>Likely new regulations about building on fill, which will just screw up the housing market even more. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColdOne666 06/26/21 1:19:25 AM #158:	This is crazy, poor people. --- Aussie Aussie Aussie OI OI OI! <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:955443219] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>This is crazy, poor people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoctorPiranha3 06/26/21 1:39:29 AM #159:	Disturbing as fuck <cite>DoctorPiranha3 posted [p:955443577] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Disturbing as fuck </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/26/21 12:24:25 PM #160:	I think the lesson to learn here is that flat-slab isn't really a very good construction method. It'll last essentially forever if all the forces are straight down and it's not overloaded, but shear, torque, or lateral forces can become catastrophic. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:955453726] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>I think the lesson to learn here is that flat-slab isn't really a very good construction method. It'll last essentially forever if all the forces are straight down and it's not overloaded, but shear, torque, or lateral forces can become catastrophic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 06/26/21 5:19:04 PM #161:	Questionmarktarius posted... I think the lesson to learn here is that flat-slab isn't really a very good construction method. It'll last essentially forever if all the forces are straight down and it's not overloaded, but shear, torque, or lateral forces can become catastrophic. That evaluation pretty much applies to every structural system. A well designed system of any kind, with good maintenance, will not experience forces that result in catastrophic failure modes. But every structural system/element has its own set of catastrophic failure modes if this is not true. But to be fair I have my own doubts about flat slab construction due to certain ways you can weasel out of shear reinforcement in the code... but that's an aside. If this failure had something to due with erosion of the earth underlying the foundation, or corrosion in the rebar of the foundation elements and/or the column elements near the base of the structure, it really doesn't matter what the floor system is. If you're building isn't standing on strong earth, or the structural is basically dissolving over time, it doesn't really matter how strong or resilient the structure is at design. Right now I have the benefit of this NYT article though, discussing a 2018 engineering report which heavily suggests this was partially corrosion issue: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/26/us/miami-building-collapse-investigation.html\ Three years before the deadly collapse of the Champlain Towers South condominium complex near Miami, a consultant found alarming evidence of major structural damage to the concrete slab below the pool deck and abundant cracking and crumbling of the columns, beams and walls of the parking garage under the 13-story building. The engineers report helped shape plans for a multimillion-dollar repair project that was set to get underway soon more than two and a half years after the building managers were warned but the building suffered a catastrophic collapse in the middle of the night on Thursday, crushing sleeping residents in a massive heap of debris. Donna DiMaggio Berger, a lawyer who represents the resident-led association that operates the building, said on Saturday that while the report outlined problems to fix, the condo board had no warning that there was a major safety risk. If there was anything in that report that really outlined that the building was in danger of collapse, or there was a hazardous condition, would the board and their families be living there? she said. She noted that one board member, Nancy Kress Levin, was missing in the collapse, as were her adult children. At the ground level of the complex, vehicles can drive in next to a pool deck where residents would lounge in the sun. Mr. Morabito in 2018 said that the waterproofing below the pool deck and entrance drive was failing, causing major structural damage to the concrete structural slab below these areas. The report added that failure to replace the waterproofing in the near future will cause the extent of the concrete deterioration to expand exponentially. The problem, he said, was that the waterproofing was laid on a concrete slab that was flat, not sloped in a way that would allow water to run off, an issue he called a major error in the original design. The replacement would be extremely expensive, he warned, and cause a major disturbance to residents. In the parking garage, which largely sits at the bottom level of the building, part of it under the pool deck, Mr. Morabito said that there were signs of distress and fatigue. Abundant cracking and spalling of varying degrees was observed in the concrete columns, beams, and walls, Mr. Morabito wrote. He included photos of cracks in the columns of the parking garage as well as concrete crumbling a process engineers refer to as spalling that exposed steel reinforcements on the garage deck. This is a really well written article with a lot of good information. As sad as it is to say, this might come down to a communication issue between an engineer and people without a technical background. Although "failure to replace the waterproofing in the near future will cause the extent of the concrete deterioration to expand exponentially" suggests swift action and immediate danger, it seems something was lost in translation. --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:955462114] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>I think the lesson to learn here is that flat-slab isn't really a very good construction method. It'll last essentially forever if all the forces are straight down and it's not overloaded, but shear, torque, or lateral forces can become catastrophic.</quote>That evaluation pretty much applies to every structural system. A well designed system of any kind, with good maintenance, will not experience forces that result in catastrophic failure modes. But every structural system/element has its own set of catastrophic failure modes if this is not true. But to be fair I have my own doubts about flat slab construction due to certain ways you can weasel out of shear reinforcement in the code... but that's an aside. If this failure had something to due with erosion of the earth underlying the foundation, or corrosion in the rebar of the foundation elements and/or the column elements near the base of the structure, it really doesn't matter what the floor system is. If you're building isn't standing on strong earth, or the structural is basically dissolving over time, it doesn't really matter how strong or resilient the structure is at design. Right now I have the benefit of this NYT article though, discussing a 2018 engineering report which heavily suggests this was partially corrosion issue: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/26/us/miami-building-collapse-investigation.html\ <quote>Three years before the deadly collapse of the Champlain Towers South condominium complex near Miami, a consultant found alarming evidence of major structural damage to the concrete slab below the pool deck and abundant cracking and crumbling of the columns, beams and walls of the parking garage under the 13-story building. The engineers report helped shape plans for a multimillion-dollar repair project that was set to get underway soon more than two and a half years after the building managers were warned but the building suffered a catastrophic collapse in the middle of the night on Thursday, crushing sleeping residents in a massive heap of debris.</quote> <quote>Donna DiMaggio Berger, a lawyer who represents the resident-led association that operates the building, said on Saturday that while the report outlined problems to fix, the condo board had no warning that there was a major safety risk. If there was anything in that report that really outlined that the building was in danger of collapse, or there was a hazardous condition, would the board and their families be living there? she said. She noted that one board member, Nancy Kress Levin, was missing in the collapse, as were her adult children.</quote> <quote>At the ground level of the complex, vehicles can drive in next to a pool deck where residents would lounge in the sun. Mr. Morabito in 2018 said that the waterproofing below the pool deck and entrance drive was failing, causing major structural damage to the concrete structural slab below these areas. The report added that failure to replace the waterproofing in the near future will cause the extent of the concrete deterioration to expand exponentially. The problem, he said, was that the waterproofing was laid on a concrete slab that was flat, not sloped in a way that would allow water to run off, an issue he called a major error in the original design. The replacement would be extremely expensive, he warned, and cause a major disturbance to residents. In the parking garage, which largely sits at the bottom level of the building, part of it under the pool deck, Mr. Morabito said that there were signs of distress and fatigue. Abundant cracking and spalling of varying degrees was observed in the concrete columns, beams, and walls, Mr. Morabito wrote. He included photos of cracks in the columns of the parking garage as well as concrete crumbling a process engineers refer to as spalling that exposed steel reinforcements on the garage deck.</quote>This is a really well written article with a lot of good information. As sad as it is to say, this might come down to a communication issue between an engineer and people without a technical background. Although "failure to replace the waterproofing in the near future will cause the extent of the concrete deterioration to expand exponentially" suggests swift action and immediate danger, it seems something was lost in translation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/26/21 7:13:33 PM #162:	Pool deck collapsing and taking the rest of the building with it, is consistent with video of the collapse and photos of the rubble. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:955465442] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Pool deck collapsing and taking the rest of the building with it, is consistent with video of the collapse and photos of the rubble. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 06/26/21 7:55:26 PM #163:	Any news on the amount of bodies recovered? I assume unaccounted for just means unidentified --- Sig User Logic https://imgur.com/lA5fm7w <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:955466568] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Any news on the amount of bodies recovered? I assume unaccounted for just means unidentified </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/26/21 9:17:31 PM #164:	Looks like the collapse did start at the pool: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/06/26/collins-ave-miami-condo-collapse/ Five confirmed dead, as of about two hours ago. https://nbc-2.com/news/state/2021/06/26/search-rescue-underway-after-building-collapse-in-south-florida/ <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:955469024] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Looks like the collapse did start at the pool: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/06/26/collins-ave-miami-condo-collapse/ Five confirmed dead, as of about two hours ago. https://nbc-2.com/news/state/2021/06/26/search-rescue-underway-after-building-collapse-in-south-florida/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scorsese2002 06/27/21 12:11:53 PM #165:	https://m.independent.ie/world-news/north-america/families-hold-onto-hope-as-miami-apartment-collapse-death-toll-rises-to-9-40585778.html --- https://www.twitch.tv/dtake86 <cite>Scorsese2002 posted [p:955486112] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>https://m.independent.ie/world-news/north-america/families-hold-onto-hope-as-miami-apartment-collapse-death-toll-rises-to-9-40585778.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scorsese2002 06/27/21 12:18:05 PM #166:	https://news.sky.com/story/miami-building-collapse-relatives-of-the-159-missing-searching-for-answers-and-accountability-12342076 --- https://www.twitch.tv/dtake86 <cite>Scorsese2002 posted [p:955486269] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>https://news.sky.com/story/miami-building-collapse-relatives-of-the-159-missing-searching-for-answers-and-accountability-12342076 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
berlyman101 06/27/21 12:20:30 PM #167:	this is chaotic and I imagine the not knowing is stressful beyond what a human is equipped to feel. the sick reality is that the vast majority of the residents were pulverized and the death count will multiply as soon as officials concede that. --- http://www.lukesurl.com/comics/2010-02-24-determinism.png <cite>berlyman101 posted [p:955486328] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>this is chaotic and I imagine the not knowing is stressful beyond what a human is equipped to feel. the sick reality is that the vast majority of the residents were pulverized and the death count will multiply as soon as officials concede that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Scorsese2002 06/28/21 12:13:49 PM #169:	Death toll up to 10 https://apnews.com/article/surfside-building-collapse-0628-c885818bf43a1ec3e4d825aeff06f9f7 --- https://www.twitch.tv/dtake86 <cite>Scorsese2002 posted [p:955521071] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Death toll up to 10 https://apnews.com/article/surfside-building-collapse-0628-c885818bf43a1ec3e4d825aeff06f9f7</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 06/28/21 12:20:35 PM #171:	Horrific --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:955521354] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Horrific </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/28/21 1:07:58 PM #172:	metallica846 posted... If there really is 150 people buried in there, where the fuck are they? Under thirteen layers of concrete chunks. That's just going to take some time to clear out. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:955523099] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>metallica846 posted... </cite> <quote>If there really is 150 people buried in there, where the fuck are they?</quote>Under thirteen layers of concrete chunks. That's just going to take some time to clear out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Compsognathus 06/28/21 2:48:57 PM #173:	Questionmarktarius posted... Under thirteen layers of concrete chunks. That's just going to take some time to clear out. Yeah and it isn't like you can just use a bunch of equipment to quickly pull all the debris off. They have to be careful so that they don't kill anyone trapped. It's a slow process. --- Gheb is my other account <cite>Compsognathus posted [p:955527160] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>Under thirteen layers of concrete chunks. That's just going to take some time to clear out.</quote>Yeah and it isn't like you can just use a bunch of equipment to quickly pull all the debris off. They have to be careful so that they don't kill anyone trapped. It's a slow process. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scorsese2002 06/29/21 2:34:36 AM #174:	https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in-collapsed-buildings-twin-most-residents-are-staying-put/ar-AALzfxR?ocid=BingNewsSearch --- https://www.twitch.tv/dtake86 <cite>Scorsese2002 posted [p:955550011] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in-collapsed-buildings-twin-most-residents-are-staying-put/ar-AALzfxR?ocid=BingNewsSearch</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 06/29/21 2:48:34 AM #175:	Scorsese2002 posted... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in-collapsed-buildings-twin-most-residents-are-staying-put/ar-AALzfxR?ocid=BingNewsSearch I dont understand it. But hopefully they don't die <cite>Zikten posted [p:955550214] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Scorsese2002 posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in-collapsed-buildings-twin-most-residents-are-staying-put/ar-AALzfxR?ocid=BingNewsSearch</quote> I dont understand it. But hopefully they don't die</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YellowSUV 06/29/21 9:14:04 AM #176:	It's easy to wonder why people would stay in the remaining tower, but I imagine some people would have no where else to go. And that remaining building is probably one of the few areas in the US at the moment where it would be difficult to sell. --- We all live in a Yellow SUV! a Yellow SUV! <cite>YellowSUV posted [p:955555697] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>It's easy to wonder why people would stay in the remaining tower, but I imagine some people would have no where else to go. And that remaining building is probably one of the few areas in the US at the moment where it would be difficult to sell. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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YellowSUV 06/29/21 9:18:56 AM #178:	metallica846 posted... The state could pay for some hotels or accommodations. Imagine the other half coming down. They could be house poor (i.e. having very few, if any liquid assets) --- We all live in a Yellow SUV! a Yellow SUV! <cite>YellowSUV posted [p:955555809] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>metallica846 posted... </cite> <quote>The state could pay for some hotels or accommodations. Imagine the other half coming down.</quote> They could be house poor (i.e. having very few, if any liquid assets) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jabodie 06/29/21 9:20:21 AM #180:	Zikten posted... I dont understand it. But hopefully they don't die It's not that unreasonable. Their building doesn't have any kind of distress like the other one did. Just get an engineer out there to evaluate the building and call it a day (and there's a good chance they did for their recertification). Now I might get a more thorough follow up after this incident... but if they have had a structural evaluation on their building it is perfectly rational to stay. That being said, I would probably be spooked for a while too. --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:955555840] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>I dont understand it. But hopefully they don't die</quote>It's not that unreasonable. Their building doesn't have any kind of distress like the other one did. Just get an engineer out there to evaluate the building and call it a day (and there's a good chance they did for their recertification). Now I might get a more thorough follow up after this incident... but if they have had a structural evaluation on their building it is perfectly rational to stay. That being said, I would probably be spooked for a while too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/29/21 10:03:03 AM #181:	This was no "random incident" https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article252421658.html <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:955556972] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>This was no "random incident" https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article252421658.html </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 06/29/21 10:28:55 AM #182:	Questionmarktarius posted... I dunno, maybe. If it's not having the severe flooding and spalling problems the other one did, it'll likely stay up another forty years and then some. Just going by what's stated by a lawyer in the article. --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:955557685] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>I dunno, maybe. If it's not having the severe flooding and spalling problems the other one did, it'll likely stay up another forty years and then some.</quote>Just going by what's stated by a lawyer in the article. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scorsese2002 06/30/21 11:40:19 AM #183:	https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1410261132183576576?s=21 --- https://www.twitch.tv/dtake86 <cite>Scorsese2002 posted [p:955598583] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1410261132183576576?s=21</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/30/21 11:48:34 AM #184:	Scorsese2002 posted... https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1410261132183576576?s=21 Who do you prosecute, though? It's a condo complex, so "greedy landlord" doesn't really apply. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:955598825] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Scorsese2002 posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1410261132183576576?s=21</quote>Who do you prosecute, though? It's a condo complex, so "greedy landlord" doesn't really apply. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YellowSUV 06/30/21 12:04:06 PM #185:	metallica846 posted... The state of Florida? My bad, didn't see the state part when I rushed to reply before I went to work. --- We all live in a Yellow SUV! a Yellow SUV! <cite>YellowSUV posted [p:955599382] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>metallica846 posted... </cite> <quote>The state of Florida?</quote> My bad, didn't see the state part when I rushed to reply before I went to work. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rexdragon125 06/30/21 3:55:21 PM #187:	Massive structural cracks were visible before the collapse https://imgur.com/gallery/HnIl6ft <cite>Rexdragon125 posted [p:955607260] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Massive structural cracks were visible before the collapse https://imgur.com/gallery/HnIl6ft </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/30/21 4:25:35 PM #188:	Rexdragon125 posted... Massive structural cracks were visible before the collapse https://imgur.com/TupESRp look closer: Key Biscayne Towers in Key Biscayne, Florida, were built in 1971 and 1972. oh hey, shit's being done about that, allegedly: https://miami.cbslocal.com/2021/06/30/key-biscayne-towers-ceiling-crack-tiktok-video/ <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:955608340] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Rexdragon125 posted... </cite> <quote>Massive structural cracks were visible before the collapse https://imgur.com/TupESRp</quote> look closer: <quote>Key Biscayne Towers in Key Biscayne, Florida, were built in 1971 and 1972.</quote>oh hey, shit's being done about that, allegedly: https://miami.cbslocal.com/2021/06/30/key-biscayne-towers-ceiling-crack-tiktok-video/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/01/21 12:41:02 PM #189:	Video a few minutes before the building fell down https://abc7chicago.com/florida-collapse-video-miami-condo-tiktok-before-collpase-champlain-tower-south/10847025/ <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:955637428] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Video a few minutes before the building fell down https://abc7chicago.com/florida-collapse-video-miami-condo-tiktok-before-collpase-champlain-tower-south/10847025/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scorsese2002 07/01/21 2:16:37 PM #190:	Questionmarktarius posted... Video a few minutes before the building fell down https://abc7chicago.com/florida-collapse-video-miami-condo-tiktok-before-collpase-champlain-tower-south/10847025/ Crazy --- https://www.twitch.tv/dtake86 <cite>Scorsese2002 posted [p:955640925] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Video a few minutes before the building fell down https://abc7chicago.com/florida-collapse-video-miami-condo-tiktok-before-collpase-champlain-tower-south/10847025/ </quote> Crazy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/01/21 3:05:33 PM #191:	Scorsese2002 posted... Crazy It's looking more and more like the pool deck fell into the parking garage, and pulled down most of the building with it. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:955642650] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Scorsese2002 posted... </cite> <quote>Crazy</quote>It's looking more and more like the pool deck fell into the parking garage, and pulled down most of the building with it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 07/01/21 3:06:46 PM #192:	YellowSUV posted... It's easy to wonder why people would stay in the remaining tower, but I imagine some people would have no where else to go. And that remaining building is probably one of the few areas in the US at the moment where it would be difficult to sell. I cant believe it wasnt instantly condemned <cite>Derwood posted [p:955642695] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>YellowSUV posted... </cite> <quote>It's easy to wonder why people would stay in the remaining tower, but I imagine some people would have no where else to go. And that remaining building is probably one of the few areas in the US at the moment where it would be difficult to sell.</quote> I cant believe it wasnt instantly condemned </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/01/21 3:33:18 PM #193:	Derwood posted... I cant believe it wasnt instantly condemned This isn't referring to the remnants that haven't fallen over yet, but a whole 'nother building a little bit to the north. https://wsvn.com/news/local/miami-dade/engineer-brought-in-by-surfside-says-champain-towers-north-east-condos-are-safe/ Here's a pretty good article, but it's paywalled: https://www.palmbeachpost.com/in-depth/graphics/2021/06/30/condo-collapse-in-florida-what-caused-building-to-fall-near-miami/7795023002/ Change your useragent to impersonate googlebot, and you can read it. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:955643616] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Derwood posted... </cite> <quote>I cant believe it wasnt instantly condemned</quote>This isn't referring to the remnants that haven't fallen over yet, but a whole 'nother building a little bit to the north. https://wsvn.com/news/local/miami-dade/engineer-brought-in-by-surfside-says-champain-towers-north-east-condos-are-safe/ Here's a pretty good article, but it's paywalled: https://www.palmbeachpost.com/in-depth/graphics/2021/06/30/condo-collapse-in-florida-what-caused-building-to-fall-near-miami/7795023002/ Change your useragent to impersonate googlebot, and you can read it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scorsese2002 07/02/21 2:39:03 PM #194:	Tally of missing in condo collapse falls to 128 after audit https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-fl-state-wire-florida-surfside-building-collapse-technology-9770fbe3a79fcd1a62354889b42d7a50 --- https://www.twitch.tv/dtake86 <cite>Scorsese2002 posted [p:955676246] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Tally of missing in condo collapse falls to 128 after audit https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-fl-state-wire-florida-surfside-building-collapse-technology-9770fbe3a79fcd1a62354889b42d7a50</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scorsese2002 07/03/21 12:14:01 PM #195:	Fire official: Demolition of collapsed condo to start Sunday https://apnews.com/article/fl-state-wire-hurricane-irma-surfside-building-collapse-313072caccc14b2597daa4f3b04bc21a 2 more victims found as well --- https://www.twitch.tv/dtake86 <cite>Scorsese2002 posted [p:955704149] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Fire official: Demolition of collapsed condo to start Sunday https://apnews.com/article/fl-state-wire-hurricane-irma-surfside-building-collapse-313072caccc14b2597daa4f3b04bc21a 2 more victims found as well</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Goatsensation 07/03/21 6:53:47 PM #196:	Apparently a bunch of firefighters and rescue workers are testing positive for COVID 19 now... that inspector is FUCKED --- Honour is dead, but I'll see what I can do. he/him <cite>Goatsensation posted [p:955715013] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Apparently a bunch of firefighters and rescue workers are testing positive for COVID 19 now... that inspector is FUCKED </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scorsese2002 07/04/21 7:53:51 PM #197:	https://youtu.be/epNqN8kSmqU --- https://www.twitch.tv/dtake86 <cite>Scorsese2002 posted [p:955747763] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>https://youtu.be/epNqN8kSmqU</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/04/21 8:45:06 PM #198:	Blowing it up tonight, or in the morning? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:955749145] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Blowing it up tonight, or in the morning? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scorsese2002 07/04/21 9:55:46 PM #199:	Questionmarktarius posted... Blowing it up tonight, or in the morning? https://twitter.com/MiamiDadePD/status/1411827546375720963?s=20 --- https://www.twitch.tv/dtake86 <cite>Scorsese2002 posted [p:955750889] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Blowing it up tonight, or in the morning? </quote> https://twitter.com/MiamiDadePD/status/1411827546375720963?s=20</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssj3vegeta 07/04/21 10:44:24 PM #200:	tis down --- https://imgur.com/tvKkIcw https://imgur.com/Kywn3Qc https://imgur.com/Cybsdf1 http://h-7.abload.de/img/messi02-rm-ucl3ngb.gif <cite>ssj3vegeta posted [p:955752156] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>tis down</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/05/21 12:37:17 AM #201:	This seems interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEPyE2h6P4k <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:955755011] in Miami apar... [t:79530671]...</cite> <quote>This seems interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEPyE2h6P4k </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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