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DravenRainrix
06/21/21 9:13:23 AM
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I would believe in heaven, i would believe in God.
But there's more to suggest neither exists, than there is to suggest they do.

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R_Jackal
06/21/21 9:28:26 AM
#53:


As an atheist, my personal belief is it's something we--as of now--can not know due to the nature of it.

If there's an afterlife? Cool. The concept of nonexistence fucking sucks. If there isn't? Too busy not existing to care. That's a problem for dead-me to worry about when the time comes. I've seen a lot of people waste their lives worrying about what comes after it. Note that I'm not talking about religion in general, but people literally obsessing over being a "good person" in life just because they want a cookie when they die, and not just to be a good person.
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Lil_Bit83
06/21/21 9:47:40 AM
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Ok and? Why does it bother you what they think? I'm Pagan, and atheist's beliefs do not bother me. So long as they aren't rudely pushing it on others, or hurting others in order to assert that belief, then its not a problem.

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ROOTFayth
06/21/21 9:50:41 AM
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truly believing that is about as dumb as believing in heaven or hell, the only sensible belief imo is we dont know
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darkprince45
06/21/21 9:54:24 AM
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I think its kinda obvious there isnt one. But why people on the internet act so snobby about it idk.

Ive always thought the WhAt AbOuT bEfOrE. Well Im alive now, with memories, thoughts, loved ones.

its sad to think were just gonna turn off and it can literally happen at any minute and you wont even know. And thats it. Theres some small sliver of hope thats theres something waiting

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Choco
06/21/21 9:56:21 AM
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LNSS
06/21/21 10:14:44 AM
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I think even religious people know this deep down. That's why they get sad when someone close dies. If they truly believed in afterlives, it wouldn't phase them because they would get to see them again eventually.
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TroutPaste
06/21/21 10:28:07 AM
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R_Jackal
06/21/21 10:31:21 AM
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LNSS posted...
I think even religious people know this deep down. That's why they get sad when someone close dies. If they truly believed in afterlives, it wouldn't phase them because they would get to see them again eventually.
Not necessarily true. When someone leaves for a long time you get sad, especially if you can't contact them. There's a permanence to death even in religion, as... Well, as long as you walk the earth you will likely never directly interact with this person again. You could theoretically not see a loved one for, say, 60+ years. Even if you get to see them in death, it's a long time.
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Beyond01
06/21/21 10:31:54 AM
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darkprince45 posted...
I think its kinda obvious there isnt one. But why people on the internet act so snobby about it idk.

Because people enjoy feeling like they know better than others.


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Josiah_Is_Back
06/21/21 10:31:58 AM
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Memento mori. Knowledge of my inexorable demise inspires me not to take this existence for granted. It instills within me a deep "impetus" to continue pushing myself, to strive for excellence.

If there is an afterlife, so be it. I have no reason to believe in one and I have no reservations about the lack of one. But if there is one, it is not utilitarian to concern ourselves with that.
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pure_temper
06/21/21 10:38:47 AM
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we existed at least once, i see no reason why we can't exist N times

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pure_temper
06/21/21 10:39:23 AM
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Josiah_Is_Back posted...
Memento mori. Knowledge of my inexorable demise inspires me not to take this existence for granted. It instills within me a deep "impetus" to continue pushing myself, to strive for excellence.

If there is an afterlife, so be it. I have no reason to believe in one and I have no reservations about the lack of one. But if there is one, it is not utilitarian to concern ourselves with that.

the utility of it is that it assuages fear that some people cannot otherwise get over, and also inspires creativity and excitement about reality when someone's really bored/down, etc

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R_Jackal
06/21/21 10:58:04 AM
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pure_temper posted...
we existed at least once, i see no reason why we can't exist N times
That's also a good point to question.

The simple fact that any of us are sitting here is fucking astonishing from either a religious or scientific standpoint.
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pure_temper
06/21/21 11:04:47 AM
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R_Jackal posted...
That's also a good point to question.

The simple fact that any of us are sitting here is fucking astonishing from either a religious or scientific standpoint.

not just astonishing, but it's proof that it can happen again

because it happened at least once

my personal view is that any reality that can be conceived to exist, has existed or will exist at some point.

but the reasons for why this is my personal view, would take some more typing lmao

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Hayame Zero
06/21/21 11:12:34 AM
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pure_temper posted...
we existed at least once, i see no reason why we can't exist N times
I'm reminded of this thread about very young kids talking about past lives

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/mkru9p/parents_what_spooky_past_life_memory_did_your_kid/

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2Pacavelli
06/21/21 11:16:58 AM
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I believe in an afterlife, but I don't think it's going to be like the one we are living now. I believe we all go back to be one with the Creator

I believe that the idea that the afterlife is like this worlds but with all of the riches you could dream of, I believe that is just a lie used to keep people enslaved expecting a great pay off in the future after you die

No one knows the full truth though, since no one has come back from the dead to inform us what happens on the otherside
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Kami_no_Kami
06/21/21 11:18:23 AM
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Depends. If the universe lasts forever, then everythings eventual and all of the cells in my brain will someday all come together to form a brain again. I wont have the same body, but it would still technically be me. A borderline infinite amount of those lives and Ill eventually be a human again. A borderline infinite amount of those lives and Ill eventually be in a human body surrounded by the same people also in human bodies again. This last thought is comforting.

If the universe does have an end though, yeah, its one and done. I dont know if that makes me more anxious than the idea of living an infinite amount of lifetimes in which I dont remember my loved ones.

In any case, both ideas are more likely than magic sky paradise for sure.
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pure_temper
06/21/21 11:19:05 AM
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Kami_no_Kami posted...
Depends. If the universe lasts forever, then everythings eventual and all of the cells in my brain will someday all come together to form a brain again. I wont have the same body, but it would still technically be me. A borderline infinite amount of those lives and Ill eventually be a human again. A borderline infinite amount of those lives and Ill eventually be in a human body surrounded by the same people also in human bodies again. This last thought is comforting.

If the universe does have an end though, yeah, its one and done. I dont know if that makes me more anxious than the idea of living an infinite amount of lifetimes where I dont remember my loved ones.

In any case, both ideas are more likely than magic sky paradise for sure.

the universe is in a perpetual cycle of expansion and contraction. heat death is just when it restarts and things run again.

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Kami_no_Kami
06/21/21 11:20:01 AM
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pure_temper posted...
the universe is in a perpetual cycle of expansion and contraction. heat death is just when it restarts and things run again.
So switch out cells with energy then in the first paragraph.
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Ardbert
06/21/21 11:21:03 AM
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Energy is neither created or destroyed. :v so really, we will come back in some form no matter what.
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skermac
06/21/21 11:22:24 AM
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For those that dont believe where fo you think your soul goes? The body dies not the soul

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pure_temper
06/21/21 11:24:24 AM
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Kami_no_Kami posted...
So switch out cells with energy then in the first paragraph.

yup

i don't think we ever cease to exist, it's just contractions/expansions and maybe sometimes you can remember across lives

if it's a simulation, heaven is just whatever is outside the simulation

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Prismsblade
06/21/21 11:29:56 AM
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It sucks but there being this paradise everafter upon death does nothing but cheapen life. I mean why not off yourself in this life for the next if things arent going well?

It's also highly manipulative, with every religion having some form of afterlife in one way or another. I mean would terrorist extremist be as devoted as they were if oblivion awaited them upon death rather then 77 virgins?

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MushroomMuncher
06/21/21 11:30:57 AM
#76:


Topic is full of edgy nihilists, unsurprisingly.

I've always had this question for the "nonexistence" thing. I get the answer "death is like before you were born" except there's one big hole in that. My nonexistence before i was born was just temporary because I was eventually born and do exist. So, if being dead is like being before I was born, why is this permanent but that was just temporary? Who is the CEO of existence making these decisions in here?

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refmon
06/21/21 11:31:43 AM
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pick4six posted...
It's kind like the universe before you were born. It's okay.


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pure_temper
06/21/21 11:34:44 AM
#78:


MushroomMuncher posted...
Topic is full of edgy nihilists, unsurprisingly.

I've always had this question for the "nonexistence" thing. I get the answer "death is like before you were born" except there's one big hole in that. My nonexistence before i was born was just temporary because I was eventually born and do exist. So, if being dead is like being before I was born, why is this permanent but that was just temporary? Who is the CEO of existence making these decisions in here?

you're right

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superman 2000
06/21/21 11:36:49 AM
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Why would this belief surprise anyone? The main argument against it is "I don't want to believe that because it scares me."

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Ilishe
06/21/21 11:37:22 AM
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lilORANG posted...
No cap, dawg. My good buddy has his PhD in chemistry, totally a major science nerd, very smart. But also very Catholic, which means despite all his knowledge of chemistry, somehow believes a cup of wine literally transforms into blood every Sunday.

Whatever

I don't think you understand symbolism

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pure_temper
06/21/21 11:37:29 AM
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superman 2000 posted...
Why would this belief surprise anyone? The main argument against it is "I don't want to believe that because it scares me."

what's scary about permanence? nothing. it is what it is, if that's how it is.

it just doesn't make any sense at all, from a pretty basic "hey we're alive rn" type of thinking tbh

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MushroomMuncher
06/21/21 11:37:43 AM
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superman 2000 posted...
Why would this belief surprise anyone? The main argument against it is "I don't want to believe that because it scares me."
Yes but change that with "I don't want to believe that because its edgy"

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Hornezz
06/21/21 11:38:28 AM
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Y'all have fun nonexisting. I'll be battling and feasting alongside Odin in the great halls of Valhalla!

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pure_temper
06/21/21 11:38:50 AM
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Hornezz posted...
Y'all have fun nonexisting. I'll be battling and feasting alongside Odin in the great halls of Valhalla!

hell yeah

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superman 2000
06/21/21 11:39:47 AM
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pure_temper posted...
what's scary about permanence? nothing. it is what it is, if that's how it is.

it just doesn't make any sense at all, from a pretty basic "hey we're alive rn" type of thinking tbh

Not sure what you're getting at. Generally, people who don't believe in afterlife base that belief on the fact that everything we experience is connected to brain activity, and thus when that dies, so do we.


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superman 2000
06/21/21 11:40:54 AM
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MushroomMuncher posted...
Yes but change that with "I don't want to believe that because its edgy"

That's not the reason.

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MushroomMuncher
06/21/21 11:42:34 AM
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superman 2000 posted...
That's not the reason.


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pure_temper
06/21/21 11:44:15 AM
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superman 2000 posted...
Not sure what you're getting at. Generally, people who don't believe in afterlife base that belief on the fact that everything we experience is connected to brain activity, and thus when that dies, so do we.

everything we experience is connected to the energy and atoms floating in the universe, not just the brain

given enough time, these will exist in the same way they do now that made you who you are

evolution is basically map reduce on matter. put enough matter in a universe and enough time and shake it around and eventually you get living things

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain

who knows, maybe you'll become one of those and then reconstitute into a physical form again eventually

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YookaLaylee
06/21/21 11:44:44 AM
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skermac posted...
For those that dont believe where fo you think your soul goes? The body dies not the soul

Whats a soul?
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epik_fail1
06/21/21 11:45:49 AM
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I would be happy to know that there's an afterlife. However it seems extremely unlikely based on what we know.
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slipknirvana
06/21/21 11:46:45 AM
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epik_fail1 posted...
I would be happy to know that there's an afterlife. However it seems extremely unlikely based on what we know.

This makes no sense. There is a reason it's called "faith".
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skermac
06/21/21 11:47:01 AM
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YookaLaylee posted...
Whats a soul?

the thing that runs your body. Who you are

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slipknirvana
06/21/21 11:48:56 AM
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skermac posted...
the thing that runs your body. Who you are

That's the brain.
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YookaLaylee
06/21/21 11:49:01 AM
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skermac posted...


the thing that runs your body. Who you are

You mean my brain?
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pure_temper
06/21/21 11:50:00 AM
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soul:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain

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Crescente
06/21/21 12:02:13 PM
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Whatever comes before and after life is whatever that keeps the particles in our brain working. There is a yet to be discovered particle that fuels life, and possibly a soul. And it all comes from the sun

Praise the sun
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pure_temper
06/21/21 12:05:41 PM
#97:


we are indeed stardust

Stardust is a great movie btw

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Prestoff
06/21/21 12:08:19 PM
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superman 2000 posted...
Why would this belief surprise anyone? The main argument against it is "I don't want to believe that because it scares me."

That's how religion was able to stay prevelant. It gives the answer to the unknown.

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MushroomMuncher
06/21/21 12:21:57 PM
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Prestoff posted...
That's how religion was able to stay prevelant. It gives the answer to the unknown.
I mean even without religion that still remains prevalent. The vast majority of non-religious people still believe in God even without adhearing to a specific belief

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Pepys Monster
06/21/21 12:22:43 PM
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Yes, and you spent your one life shitposting and trolling internet forums.

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hockeybub89
06/21/21 12:27:25 PM
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Yeah it sucks. I wish there was data pointing toward another possibility. Maybe I'll get lucky and be surprised after I die.

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