Current Events > Is prison labor slavery?

Topic List	Page List: 1, 2
WingsOfGood 06/17/21 2:27:49 PM #1:	https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/prison-labor-in-america/406177/ Crops stretch to the horizon. Black bodies pepper the landscape, hunched over as they work the fields. Officers on horseback, armed, oversee the workers. To the untrained eye, the scenes in Angola for Life: Rehabilitation and Reform Inside the Louisiana State Penitentiary, an Atlantic documentary filmed on an old southern slave-plantation-turned-prison, could have been shot 150 years ago. The imagery haunts, and the stench of slavery and racial oppression lingers through the 13 minutes of footage. But there is a second story line running alongside the first, which raises disquieting questions about how America treats those on the inside as less than fully human. Those troubling opening scenes of the documentary offer visual proof of a truth that America has worked hard to ignore: In a sense, slavery never ended at Angola; it was reinvented. Forced, coerced labor. <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:955134456] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/prison-labor-in-america/406177/ <quote>Crops stretch to the horizon. Black bodies pepper the landscape, hunched over as they work the fields. Officers on horseback, armed, oversee the workers. To the untrained eye, the scenes in Angola for Life: Rehabilitation and Reform Inside the Louisiana State Penitentiary, an Atlantic documentary filmed on an old southern slave-plantation-turned-prison, could have been shot 150 years ago. The imagery haunts, and the stench of slavery and racial oppression lingers through the 13 minutes of footage. But there is a second story line running alongside the first, which raises disquieting questions about how America treats those on the inside as less than fully human. Those troubling opening scenes of the documentary offer visual proof of a truth that America has worked hard to ignore: In a sense, slavery never ended at Angola; it was reinvented.</quote> Forced, coerced labor. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 06/17/21 2:28:53 PM #2:	Effectively. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:955134499] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>Effectively. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 06/17/21 2:29:22 PM #3:	CyricZ posted... Effectively. can't just say yes? <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:955134518] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Effectively.</quote> can't just say yes? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenmyouji 06/17/21 2:29:53 PM #4:	It is --- In search of a new sig. <cite>Tenmyouji posted [p:955134543] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>It is </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoundGarden 06/17/21 2:31:20 PM #5:	No, it's paying back the state/taxpayers for their free food, free shelter, free health care, free clothing, free entertainment and free secondary education --- "You go. I'm just going to stare at the lake and think about how I almost just killed a baby." <cite>PoundGarden posted [p:955134615] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>No, it's paying back the state/taxpayers for their free food, free shelter, free health care, free clothing, free entertainment and free secondary education </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wholeheartedly 06/17/21 2:31:21 PM #6:	WingsOfGood posted... can't just say yes? Technically theyre paid like 1 penny or something, and they committed the crimes Its not necessarily an issue that its mean to make people work, yes thats bad The really bad thing is it incetivizes arresting more people for cheap labour, breaking about families and communities, USA needs to cut back on that --- punctured bicycle, on a hillside desolate <cite>wholeheartedly posted [p:955134617] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite> <quote>can't just say yes?</quote> Technically theyre paid like 1 penny or something, and they committed the crimes Its not necessarily an issue that its mean to make people work, yes thats bad The really bad thing is it incetivizes arresting more people for cheap labour, breaking about families and communities, USA needs to cut back on that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 06/17/21 2:34:28 PM #7:	PoundGarden posted... No, it's paying back the state/taxpayers for their free food, free shelter, free health care, free clothing, free entertainment and free secondary education Free Willy WingsOfGood posted... can't just say yes? No I'm insufferable in that way. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:955134737] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>PoundGarden posted... </cite> <quote>No, it's paying back the state/taxpayers for their free food, free shelter, free health care, free clothing, free entertainment and free secondary education</quote>Free Willy WingsOfGood posted... </cite> <quote>can't just say yes?</quote>No I'm insufferable in that way. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 06/17/21 2:36:14 PM #8:	I guess you could make that argument, but I've always understood it to be a voluntary thing that not everyone in prison has access to, and which you receive some level of benefit for --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:955134816] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>I guess you could make that argument, but I've always understood it to be a voluntary thing that not everyone in prison has access to, and which you receive some level of benefit for </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EmbraceOfDeath 06/17/21 2:36:23 PM #9:	wholeheartedly posted... Technically theyre paid like 1 penny or something, and they committed the crimes Committing the crimes has nothing to do with being forced to do labor though. Their punishment is imprisonment, not slave labor. --- PSN/GT: BigDaffej <cite>EmbraceOfDeath posted [p:955134821] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>wholeheartedly posted... </cite> <quote>Technically theyre paid like 1 penny or something, and they committed the crimes</quote>Committing the crimes has nothing to do with being forced to do labor though. Their punishment is imprisonment, not slave labor. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 06/17/21 2:37:00 PM #10:	Argumentatively you could say so, I guess. --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:955134846] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>Argumentatively you could say so, I guess. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lost_All_Senses 06/17/21 2:37:27 PM #11:	Yes. Especially cause it was immediately used to work around slavery being abolished. --- Name checks out "Try to talk and they ain't listening, but they'll point it out when you get ignorant" - Dreezy <cite>Lost_All_Senses posted [p:955134866] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>Yes. Especially cause it was immediately used to work around slavery being abolished. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 06/17/21 2:37:54 PM #12:	Absolutely --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:955134880] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>Absolutely </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Imit8m3 06/17/21 2:38:35 PM #13:	They do not get paid fair compensation so, yes. --- Buy $SHIB. <cite>Imit8m3 posted [p:955134906] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>They do not get paid fair compensation so, yes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 06/17/21 2:38:55 PM #14:	EmbraceOfDeath posted... Committing the crimes has nothing to do with being forced to do labor though. Their punishment is imprisonment, not slave labor. And that's without considering many of them are doing time for victimless/petty crimes. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:955134914] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>EmbraceOfDeath posted... </cite> <quote>Committing the crimes has nothing to do with being forced to do labor though. Their punishment is imprisonment, not slave labor.</quote> And that's without considering many of them are doing time for victimless/petty crimes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonStar 06/17/21 2:39:16 PM #15:	Yes. <cite>CommonStar posted [p:955134924] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>Yes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoundGarden 06/17/21 2:39:32 PM #16:	Imit8m3 posted... They do not get paid fair compensation so, yes. PoundGarden posted... free food, free shelter, free health care, free clothing, free entertainment and free secondary education --- "You go. I'm just going to stare at the lake and think about how I almost just killed a baby." <cite>PoundGarden posted [p:955134939] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>Imit8m3 posted... </cite> <quote>They do not get paid fair compensation so, yes.</quote> PoundGarden posted... </cite> <quote>free food, free shelter, free health care, free clothing, free entertainment and free secondary education</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 06/17/21 2:40:19 PM #17:	It is, yes. --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:955134967] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>It is, yes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AloneIBreak 06/17/21 2:41:12 PM #18:	Wage labor is slavery. It follows that prison labor is even more so. --- CE's friendly neighborhood rationalist. <cite>AloneIBreak posted [p:955134998] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>Wage labor is slavery. It follows that prison labor is even more so. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 06/17/21 2:42:24 PM #19:	You guys just go around looking for stuff to be offended by. --- You can't go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending. -Misattributed to CS Lewis <cite>Squall28 posted [p:955135048] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>You guys just go around looking for stuff to be offended by. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
unnamedsoldier 06/17/21 2:42:26 PM #20:	PoundGarden posted... No, it's paying back the state/taxpayers for their free food, free shelter, free health care, free clothing, free entertainment and free secondary education This Also I don't think they should just sit on their asses in a cell all day. Do something productive <cite>unnamedsoldier posted [p:955135052] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>PoundGarden posted...</cite> <quote>No, it's paying back the state/taxpayers for their free food, free shelter, free health care, free clothing, free entertainment and free secondary education </quote> This Also I don't think they should just sit on their asses in a cell all day. Do something productive</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 06/17/21 2:42:33 PM #21:	Yes, and it was intended as such. The 13th amendment banned slavery, except as part of a punishment for a crime. This is that. It's slavery. It should be abolished. If people work, they should be paid real wages. Arguments to the contrary rely on dehumanizing incarcerated people and the unvarnished desire for a cheap, exploitable, renewable workforce that people don't have to sympathize with and who has no bargaining power. What's the word for that.....slaves? --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:955135059] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>Yes, and it was intended as such. The 13th amendment banned slavery, except as part of a punishment for a crime. This is that. It's slavery. It should be abolished. If people work, they should be paid real wages. Arguments to the contrary rely on dehumanizing incarcerated people and the unvarnished desire for a cheap, exploitable, renewable workforce that people don't have to sympathize with and who has no bargaining power. What's the word for that.....slaves? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 06/17/21 2:42:58 PM #22:	Yep. Life imprisonment for the people responsible. They still won't have to work, bit they won't get paid for it. --- Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion. <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:955135080] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>Yep. Life imprisonment for the people responsible. They still won't have to work, bit they won't get paid for it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 06/17/21 2:43:07 PM #23:	Kinda, although I don't see it the same as if you just enslaved someone who would otherwise be free and doing their own thing. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:955135090] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>Kinda, although I don't see it the same as if you just enslaved someone who would otherwise be free and doing their own thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElatedVenusaur 06/17/21 2:43:16 PM #24:	Yes, and it's often used to undermine wages. Wage labor itself is questionable, but that's a different can of worms. <cite>ElatedVenusaur posted [p:955135095] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>Yes, and it's often used to undermine wages. Wage labor itself is questionable, but that's a different can of worms. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 06/17/21 2:44:12 PM #25:	Squall28 posted... You guys just go around looking for stuff to be offended by. Oh yes, us silly SJWs being offended by slavery. We should be concerned about a real issue, like cancel culture! --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:955135134] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted... </cite> <quote>You guys just go around looking for stuff to be offended by.</quote> Oh yes, us silly SJWs being offended by slavery. We should be concerned about a real issue, like cancel culture! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bass_X0 06/17/21 2:45:21 PM #26:	Its volunteer work. Once you sign up (commit a crime), then you're contracted to do the work. But you don't have to sign up in the first place if you want to avoid doing it. --- "Well, it's not a bad game. It's made by Capcom, so how could it?" ~ AVGN <cite>Bass_X0 posted [p:955135186] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>Its volunteer work. Once you sign up (commit a crime), then you're contracted to do the work. But you don't have to sign up in the first place if you want to avoid doing it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoundGarden 06/17/21 2:45:35 PM #27:	legendary_zell posted... Yes, and it was intended as such. The 13th amendment banned slavery, except as part of a punishment for a crime. This is that. It's slavery. It should be abolished. If people work, they should be paid real wages. PoundGarden posted... free food, free shelter, free health care, free clothing, free entertainment and free secondary education --- "You go. I'm just going to stare at the lake and think about how I almost just killed a baby." <cite>PoundGarden posted [p:955135192] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>legendary_zell posted... </cite> <quote>Yes, and it was intended as such. The 13th amendment banned slavery, except as part of a punishment for a crime. This is that. It's slavery. It should be abolished. If people work, they should be paid real wages.</quote> PoundGarden posted... </cite> <quote>free food, free shelter, free health care, free clothing, free entertainment and free secondary education</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lost_All_Senses 06/17/21 2:45:41 PM #28:	legendary_zell posted... Oh yes, us silly SJWs being offended by slavery. We should be concerned about a real issue, like cancel culture! You weren't suppose to feed him. He's gonna multiply now. --- Name checks out "Try to talk and they ain't listening, but they'll point it out when you get ignorant" - Dreezy <cite>Lost_All_Senses posted [p:955135198] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>legendary_zell posted... </cite> <quote>Oh yes, us silly SJWs being offended by slavery. We should be concerned about a real issue, like cancel culture!</quote> You weren't suppose to feed him. He's gonna multiply now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoundGarden 06/17/21 2:47:51 PM #29:	Pretty fucking ignorant and offensive to compare someone being captured for no reason and shipped off to another country to toil away until they die to someone who committed a heinous crime and is repaying their debt You people aren't nearly as smart or virtuous as you think you are. --- "You go. I'm just going to stare at the lake and think about how I almost just killed a baby." <cite>PoundGarden posted [p:955135277] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>Pretty fucking ignorant and offensive to compare someone being captured for no reason and shipped off to another country to toil away until they die to someone who committed a heinous crime and is repaying their debt You people aren't nearly as smart or virtuous as you think you are. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 06/17/21 2:51:16 PM #30:	PoundGarden posted... No, it's paying back the state/taxpayers for their free food, free shelter, free health care, free clothing, free entertainment and free secondary education @PoundGarden didn't Plantation owners back in the day give food and shelter to their slaves? <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:955135386] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>PoundGarden posted... </cite> <quote>No, it's paying back the state/taxpayers for their free food, free shelter, free health care, free clothing, free entertainment and free secondary education</quote> @PoundGarden didn't Plantation owners back in the day give food and shelter to their slaves? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 06/17/21 2:52:14 PM #31:	Imit8m3 posted... They do not get paid fair compensation so, yes. No they don't. <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:955135428] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>Imit8m3 posted... </cite> <quote>They do not get paid fair compensation so, yes.</quote> No they don't. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoundGarden 06/17/21 2:52:49 PM #32:	WingsOfGood posted... @PoundGarden didn't Plantation owners back in the day give food and shelter to their slaves? PoundGarden posted... Pretty fucking ignorant and offensive to compare someone being captured for no reason and shipped off to another country to toil away until they die to someone who committed a heinous crime and is repaying their debt --- "You go. I'm just going to stare at the lake and think about how I almost just killed a baby." <cite>PoundGarden posted [p:955135441] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite> <quote>@PoundGarden didn't Plantation owners back in the day give food and shelter to their slaves?</quote> PoundGarden posted... </cite> <quote>Pretty fucking ignorant and offensive to compare someone being captured for no reason and shipped off to another country to toil away until they die to someone who committed a heinous crime and is repaying their debt</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lost_All_Senses 06/17/21 2:53:29 PM #33:	I can only see TCs post after mine lol. People fuckin hate my guts :3 --- Name checks out "Try to talk and they ain't listening, but they'll point it out when you get ignorant" - Dreezy <cite>Lost_All_Senses posted [p:955135465] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>I can only see TCs post after mine lol. People fuckin hate my guts :3 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prismsblade 06/17/21 2:54:11 PM #34:	Yes, if arrested on either false and or frivolous charges only to boost the labor force. Aside from that they dont really have anything else better to do, so they may as well just be put to work. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:955135492] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>Yes, if arrested on either false and or frivolous charges only to boost the labor force. Aside from that they dont really have anything else better to do, so they may as well just be put to work. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 06/17/21 2:54:18 PM #35:	Bass_X0 posted... Its volunteer work. Once you sign up (commit a crime), then you're contracted to do the work. But you don't have to sign up in the first place if you want to avoid doing it. so they can tell the warden to go fuck himself correct? <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:955135498] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>Bass_X0 posted... </cite> <quote>Its volunteer work. Once you sign up (commit a crime), then you're contracted to do the work. But you don't have to sign up in the first place if you want to avoid doing it.</quote> so they can tell the warden to go fuck himself correct? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 06/17/21 2:54:21 PM #36:	legendary_zell posted... Oh yes, us silly SJWs being offended by slavery. We should be concerned about a real issue, like cancel culture! It's fucking prison dude. What do you think someone like Chauvin should be doing in prison? --- You can't go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending. -Misattributed to CS Lewis <cite>Squall28 posted [p:955135500] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>legendary_zell posted... </cite> <quote>Oh yes, us silly SJWs being offended by slavery. We should be concerned about a real issue, like cancel culture!</quote> It's fucking prison dude. What do you think someone like Chauvin should be doing in prison? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuperShake666 06/17/21 2:55:03 PM #37:	Yes but it's 100% Neo Slavery in for-profit prisons. Plantations with bigger walls. --- "Look, if I was good at math, I wouldn't be on CE at 2:00 the morning clicking on topics about porn stars ****ing horses." - May 2017, Dash_Harber <cite>SuperShake666 posted [p:955135528] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>Yes but it's 100% Neo Slavery in for-profit prisons. Plantations with bigger walls. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 06/17/21 2:55:40 PM #38:	lmao who is this poundgarden guy? <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:955135550] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>lmao who is this poundgarden guy? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 06/17/21 2:56:22 PM #39:	Squall28 posted... It's f*ing prison dude. What do you think someone like Chauvin should be doing in prison? not be enslaved <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:955135579] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted... </cite> <quote>It's f*ing prison dude. What do you think someone like Chauvin should be doing in prison?</quote> not be enslaved </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 06/17/21 3:00:04 PM #40:	Squall28 posted... It's fucking prison dude. What do you think someone like Chauvin should be doing in prison? I don't think you've quite grasped the notion of being opposed to slavery. --- Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion. <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:955135727] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted... </cite> <quote>It's fucking prison dude. What do you think someone like Chauvin should be doing in prison?</quote>I don't think you've quite grasped the notion of being opposed to slavery. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoundGarden 06/17/21 3:01:10 PM #41:	Squall28 posted... It's fucking prison dude. What do you think someone like Chauvin should be doing in prison? "Anything short of sitting comfortably in a temp controlled cell watching TV and goofing off is torture!" - CE Prisoner Defense Force --- "You go. I'm just going to stare at the lake and think about how I almost just killed a baby." <cite>PoundGarden posted [p:955135768] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted... </cite> <quote>It's fucking prison dude. What do you think someone like Chauvin should be doing in prison?</quote> "Anything short of sitting comfortably in a temp controlled cell watching TV and goofing off is torture!" - CE Prisoner Defense Force </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crescente 06/17/21 3:03:03 PM #42:	PoundGarden posted... No, it's paying back the state/taxpayers for their free food, free shelter, free health care, free clothing, free entertainment and free secondary education This. You might as well not imprison them for killing and raping people if you're just going to put them in an adult day care. <cite>Crescente posted [p:955135835] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>PoundGarden posted... </cite> <quote>No, it's paying back the state/taxpayers for their free food, free shelter, free health care, free clothing, free entertainment and free secondary education</quote> This. You might as well not imprison them for killing and raping people if you're just going to put them in an adult day care. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoundGarden 06/17/21 3:04:46 PM #43:	WingsOfGood posted... lmao who is this poundgarden guy? Someone who just destroyed your weak ass narrative. Stellar rebuttal, btw --- "You go. I'm just going to stare at the lake and think about how I almost just killed a baby." <cite>PoundGarden posted [p:955135910] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite> <quote>lmao who is this poundgarden guy?</quote> Someone who just destroyed your weak ass narrative. Stellar rebuttal, btw </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lost_All_Senses 06/17/21 3:04:55 PM #44:	WingsOfGood posted... lmao who is this poundgarden guy? Oh, nice. It's just one the 2 people I blocked. People fuckin love my guts. --- Name checks out "Try to talk and they ain't listening, but they'll point it out when you get ignorant" - Dreezy <cite>Lost_All_Senses posted [p:955135913] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite> <quote>lmao who is this poundgarden guy?</quote> Oh, nice. It's just one the 2 people I blocked. People fuckin love my guts. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R1masher 06/17/21 3:04:57 PM #45:	I got time off my sentence for working and I got paid money --- R1R1R1R1R1R1 <cite>R1masher posted [p:955135916] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>I got time off my sentence for working and I got paid money </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AloneIBreak 06/17/21 3:10:13 PM #46:	One other respect in which our society suffers from the theological conception of sin is the treatment of criminals. The view that criminals are wicked and deserve punishment is not one which a rational morality can support. Undoubtedly certain people do things which society wishes to prevent, and does right in preventing as far as possible. We may take murder as the plainest case. Obviously, if a community is to hold together and we are to enjoy its pleasures and advantages, we cannot allow people to kill each other whenever they feel an impulse to do so. But this problem should be treated in a purely scientific spirit. We should ask simply: What is the best method of preventing murder? Of two methods which are equally effective in preventing murder, the one involving least harm to the murderer is to be preferred. The harm to the murderer is wholly regrettable, like the pain of a surgical operation. It may be equally necessary, but it is not a subject for rejoicing. The vindictive feeling called moral indignation is merely a form of cruelty. Suffering to the criminal can never be justified by the notion of vindictive punishment. If education combined with kindness is equally effective, it is to be preferred; still more is it to be preferred if it is more effective. Of course, the prevention of crime and the punishment of crime are two different questions; the object of causing pain to the criminal is presumably deterrent. If prisons were so humanised that a prisoner got a good education for nothing, people might commit crimes in order to qualify for entrance. No doubt prison must be less pleasant than freedom; but the best way to secure this result is to make freedom more pleasant than it sometimes is at present. I do not wish, however, to embark upon the subject of Penal Reform. I merely wish to suggest that we should treat the criminal as we treat a man suffering from plague. Each is a public danger, each must have his liberty curtailed until he has ceased to be a danger. But the man suffering from plague is an object of sympathy and commiseration, whereas the criminal is an object of execration. This is quite irrational. And it is because of this difference of attitude that our prisons are so much less successful in curing criminal tendencies than our hospitals are in curing disease. --- CE's friendly neighborhood rationalist. <cite>AloneIBreak posted [p:955136133] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>One other respect in which our society suffers from the theological conception of sin is the treatment of criminals. The view that criminals are wicked and deserve punishment is not one which a rational morality can support. Undoubtedly certain people do things which society wishes to prevent, and does right in preventing as far as possible. We may take murder as the plainest case. Obviously, if a community is to hold together and we are to enjoy its pleasures and advantages, we cannot allow people to kill each other whenever they feel an impulse to do so. But this problem should be treated in a purely scientific spirit. We should ask simply: What is the best method of preventing murder? Of two methods which are equally effective in preventing murder, the one involving least harm to the murderer is to be preferred. The harm to the murderer is wholly regrettable, like the pain of a surgical operation. It may be equally necessary, but it is not a subject for rejoicing. The vindictive feeling called moral indignation is merely a form of cruelty. Suffering to the criminal can never be justified by the notion of vindictive punishment. If education combined with kindness is equally effective, it is to be preferred; still more is it to be preferred if it is more effective. Of course, the prevention of crime and the punishment of crime are two different questions; the object of causing pain to the criminal is presumably deterrent. If prisons were so humanised that a prisoner got a good education for nothing, people might commit crimes in order to qualify for entrance. No doubt prison must be less pleasant than freedom; but the best way to secure this result is to make freedom more pleasant than it sometimes is at present. I do not wish, however, to embark upon the subject of Penal Reform. I merely wish to suggest that we should treat the criminal as we treat a man suffering from plague. Each is a public danger, each must have his liberty curtailed until he has ceased to be a danger. But the man suffering from plague is an object of sympathy and commiseration, whereas the criminal is an object of execration. This is quite irrational. And it is because of this difference of attitude that our prisons are so much less successful in curing criminal tendencies than our hospitals are in curing disease. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 06/17/21 3:23:36 PM #47:	PoundGarden posted... "Anything short of sitting comfortably in a temp controlled cell watching TV and goofing off is torture!" - CE Prisoner Defense Force So you also oppose air conditioning? Is this correct? <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:955136643] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>PoundGarden posted... </cite> <quote>"Anything short of sitting comfortably in a temp controlled cell watching TV and goofing off is torture!" - CE Prisoner Defense Force</quote> So you also oppose air conditioning? Is this correct? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
#48	Post #48 was unavailable or deleted.
PoundGarden 06/17/21 3:25:19 PM #49:	WingsOfGood posted... So you also oppose air conditioning? Is this correct? So you think capturing someone for no reason and shipping them off to another country to toil away until they die is literally the same thing as making someone who committed a crime pay back their literal debt? WOW --- "You go. I'm just going to stare at the lake and think about how I almost just killed a baby." <cite>PoundGarden posted [p:955136714] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite> <quote>So you also oppose air conditioning? Is this correct?</quote> So you think capturing someone for no reason and shipping them off to another country to toil away until they die is literally the same thing as making someone who committed a crime pay back their literal debt? WOW </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 06/17/21 3:27:54 PM #50:	The punishment of prison is supposed to be the loss of freedom and complete isolation from society. Slave labor is not a part of that. Let them sit there, let them learn, let them workout, whatever, but don't exploit their labor. I don't know how y'all can see scenes straight out of 1835 and think that's okay. I dislike Chauvin as much as the next guy, probably more considering I'm a black civil rights lawyer. I still wouldn't want him forced to work out in the fields for slave wages. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:955136812] in Is prison ... [t:79519145]...</cite> <quote>The punishment of prison is supposed to be the loss of freedom and complete isolation from society. Slave labor is not a part of that. Let them sit there, let them learn, let them workout, whatever, but don't exploit their labor. I don't know how y'all can see scenes straight out of 1835 and think that's okay. I dislike Chauvin as much as the next guy, probably more considering I'm a black civil rights lawyer. I still wouldn't want him forced to work out in the fields for slave wages. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Topic List	Page List: 1, 2

Current Events > Is prison labor slavery? (+) Yeah! (+)

Current Events > Is prison labor slavery?