Current Events > On the last trial of the ace attorney trilogy *spoilers*

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At the part where Godot drops a goat tier reference, a cornered fox is more dangerous than a jackal. Gave me goosebumps.

dont spoil the rest of the game please. Playing through it now. One of the most captivating video games Ive ever played. Wanted to play it as a kid but didnt want to waste Christmas/birthday presents on a text game adventure. Boy did I make a mistake. I have never played a game with a more engaging story and brilliant characters.

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godot is actually edgeworth in a mask

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3-5 is phenomenal, enjoy.

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dotsdfe posted...

3-5 is phenomenal, enjoy.

you guys got some crazy good memory

Just finished it. Still got goosebumps and I feel my cheeks radiating. Never experienced any story as engaging and heartfelt as this. Godots breakdown in the end was tearjerking. The whole time I was thinking why did he execute such a shitty strategy to save Maya. I was ready to dismiss the narrative for falling apart, and then he broke down and couldnt even answer that question himself. And it honestly made me question a lot of decisions Ive made in my own life, and why I took those actions, and my immediate desire for blame. Man. Honestly thought this was just a kids game with a procedural narrative solve the new case of the day. The complex storyline driven by foundational human emotions with tiered motivations all entangled together hit me like nothing else. Not even just the main story is amazing. Each of the fillers were compelling in their own rights. Rise from the Ashes and Stolen Turnabout were exceptional, and are my favorite cases tbh.

Easily one of my favorite game series of all time. Going to give this another play through after I get done with the rest of the other games.

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Godot is such a fucking compelling villain/anti-hero. His motivations and disdain for Phoenix are so believable and realistic that you really can't end up hating him at the end. He fits well against the super evil Manfred and Matt Engarde very well. Just a warning about Apollo Justice, there is a 7 year time skip and the tone does change (For example, new detective (Ema grown up from 1-5) and there's no Maya, Edgeworth, etc) but I still find it to be a pretty strong game with an AMAZING soundtrack. 5 and 6 go back to the tone of the originals.

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Better nate than lever, but why did it take you so long to play one of the greatest trilogies of all time?

Loved all the DS games, even played the Ace Attorney Investigations 2 (sequel to the spinoff Ace Attorney Investigations)
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Glad you enjoyed it. It's my favorite game series ever.

My favorite cases are 3-5, Investigations 2-5, 2-4, 6-4, and 3-4.

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AirFresh posted...

Godot is such a fucking compelling villain/anti-hero. His motivations and disdain for Phoenix are so believable and realistic that you really can't end up hating him at the end. He fits well against the super evil Manfred and Matt Engarde very well. Just a warning about Apollo Justice, there is a 7 year time skip and the tone does change (For example, new detective (Ema grown up from 1-5) and there's no Maya, Edgeworth, etc) but I still find it to be a pretty strong game with an AMAZING soundtrack. 5 and 6 go back to the tone of the originals.

I also liked the implicit parallel with the Berry Circus case. The girls inability to comprehend death drove Acro irrationally mad to the point of murder. The girl is a bit similar to Phoenix. When playing this game I never got the sense that Phoenix mourned Mia in a way thats consistent with most normal humans. He instead went about his way solving case after case without much of a deterrence or sense of grief. I noticed it and thought it was a bit weird. And the game knew. 2 games later and this weird feeling regarding Phoenix manifested into Godot.

side note: Anyone else feel like Pearls endured way too much in this series? Wish they woulda lightened some of the burden she has to carry. A little girl shouldnt have had to go through what her mother did to her in the 2nd game let alone the stuff shes gonna have to live with at the end of this case. Writers coulda eased up on her just a little bit

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saspa posted...

Better nate than lever, but why did it take you so long to play one of the greatest trilogies of all time?

Loved all the DS games, even played the Ace Attorney Investigations 2 (sequel to the spinoff Ace Attorney Investigations)

Never had my own money growing up. My mom would only buy me so many video games, and I thought it would be a waste on a text adventure. By the time I could afford my own games I had lost interest in gaming in general, but Ive gotten back into it over the past year.

I actually dont remember why I decided to pick these games up. I bought the trilogy on iOS back in 2019. Dont remember why. But I finally started playing them a month ago.

having said that, Im glad I didnt play these games as a kid. I havent been as engaged in a plot like this in a very long time, and I really needed this in my life right now.

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WalkingLobsters posted...

Anyone else feel like Pearls endured way too much in this series? Wish they woulda lightened some of the burden she has to carry. A little girl shouldnt have had to go through what her mother did to her in the 2nd game let alone the stuff shes gonna have to live with at the end of this case. Writers coulda eased up on her just a little bit

Legit teared up in 3-5 when you learned how much she was abused when I replayed. I didn't grasp it at first but FUCK that bitch.

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Conflict posted...

Fantastic case.

Still not as good as 1-5 tho

My hot take is that 1-5 isn't especially great. It artificially pumps up its length with whole plotlines that don't need to be there, and tries to be complicated just for the sake of it when it had no need to be.

Namely... The "two murders at the same time!" aspect didn't need to be there in the least, and it causes a massive plot hole where Meekins passes out in the evidence room before the case starts, is taken to the Detention Center, and wakes up there, but still shows up in Edgeworth's office in the meantime.

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dotsdfe posted...

My hot take is that 1-5 isn't especially great. It artificially pumps up its length with whole plotlines that don't need to be there, and tries to be complicated just for the sake of it when it had no need to be.

Namely... The "two murders at the same time!" aspect didn't need to be there in the least, and it causes a massive plot hole where Meekins passes out in the evidence room before the case starts, is taken to the Detention Center, and wakes up there, but still shows up in Edgeworth's office in the meantime.

It's pretty much a DLC case lol. For us, it seems weird but in Japan they probably felt pressured to give the returning players from the GBA game a lengthy case.

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Justice for All is pretty mediocre but 2-4 is the best case of the entire series.

Something that is a little weird is why Pearl wasnt selected to be the next master. Her spiritual powers dwarf Mayas and she also stayed in the village her whole life until Maya dragged her out. I feel like this could have been an amicable transition between both parties. Maya seems like she would have been fine with it and so would Morgan. The real underlying problem with this however is surrendering power to Morgan who will manipulate Pearl. Maybe Misty was aware of this? Bigger question is the selection criteria for the next master. Does Misty select the next master?

incidentally, did anyone else find Mistys actions in the game to be a bit dumb? Im having a hard time trying to understand why she didnt come out of hiding after 1-4. Or why she didnt ask Nick for help.

(This doesnt affect my opinion of the game at all. Ive always found compelling and intricate storylines to be built on delicate foundations, and Im willing to overlook them)

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It's one of the things that was explained in Justice for All and expanded upon in Trials and Tribulations. There's the main family and the branch families. If you're in the latter you can't become the Master normally. In tradition it was the oldest daughter in the main family that inherits the position but unlucky for Morgan she had no spiritual power so it went to Misty instead. That ended up making Misty's family the main and Morgan's the branch.

With Misty leaving it put Mia as the front runner but with her not wanting to deal with the drama and wanting to do her own thing as a Defense Attorney, she left the village which gave that eventual responsibility to Maya. So in the case of Pearl, the only way she can become Master is if the main family candidates are gone. If Morgan took out the main family then her family would take that role and put Pearl in line.

Pearl shouldn't have gone through what she did because of her vindictive mother.

This is just from what I remember because it's been a while since I've played the original trilogy. And I know that most people hated the Berry Big Circus case but I enjoyed it due to the fact at the time it was the only case Phoenix didn't need Mia's help for.

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1-5 is def my fav AA case, but I'm not passionate enough of a debater to go at it anymore.

The final cases of each game in the trilogy are all exceptional, tho'

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If Morgan Fey is meant to be "Morgan le Fay" reference from King Arthur, is Misty Fey meant to be a "Mystify" ref?
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WalkingLobsters posted...

incidentally, did anyone else find Mistys actions in the game to be a bit dumb? Im having a hard time trying to understand why she didnt come out of hiding after 1-4. Or why she didnt ask Nick for help.

There's some explanation for this in a few facets:

One, Misty just genuinely didn't want anything to do with the succession drama. It was mentioned how it regularly tore families apart, and we saw it play out with Morgan. Misty seemed to just want to stay away from all of that after already making her exit, even once her name was cleared.

The other is that she had no real reason to return for quite some time. It would have caused a mess with the succession stuff, and they didn't learn about Morgan's plan until it was already underway. You can argue that going right to Phoenix would have been the better call at that point, though.

I'd imagine that she also just didn't really know how to approach Maya after all that time. By that time, Mia was dead and Misty had been missing for quite a few years. Walking back in and being like "Hey, I know I wasn't here for you for most of your life or when your sister died, but uh, here I am!" would have been pretty awkward and painful. My assumption is that she probably didn't know how to handle it all.

It's a bit speculative, but I don't think she was dumb for it, aside from maybe not going to Phoenix at some point during AA3.

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Godot was Bruce Willis the whole time

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WalkingLobsters posted...

I also liked the implicit parallel with the Berry Circus case. The girls inability to comprehend death drove Acro irrationally mad to the point of murder. The girl is a bit similar to Phoenix. When playing this game I never got the sense that Phoenix mourned Mia in a way thats consistent with most normal humans. He instead went about his way solving case after case without much of a deterrence or sense of grief. I noticed it and thought it was a bit weird. And the game knew. 2 games later and this weird feeling regarding Phoenix manifested into Godot.

Something I forgot to mention last time I was here:

To be fair, mia is still with him whenever maya channels her so... she's not really gone. It would be another thing if that whole thing didn't exist.

Don't get me wrong, when I first played this series over a decade ago I was absolutely shaken up at mia's death, both at the sudden escalation of seeing a gory lifeless body for what seemed like a jokey series, and the impact of her death.

So yeah I definitely did feel like her death was kinda just glossed over back then, because like damn I was not expecting that to happen at the beginning of the game, literally right after the first case. It hit me hard, but seeing her come back not just through Maya but even through Pearl sometimes kind of dilutes it a teensy bit
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I think that dynamic of AA immerses me somehow. The 'aw, how nice' and world come crashing down dynamics and how they intermingle. Makes you invest a lot in the characters.

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