Current Events > Christians of CE, please clear something up for me.

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I have an actual question since I'm not a Christian and I'm genuinely curious.

Some background, my dad is a huge piece of shit. He sexually assaulted my sister from when she was 8 or so up until she was in her early 20s. He blamed it on my mom not having sex with him. He was abusive and would beat me, my sister and my mom. He also choked my mom until she passed out 3 years ago and when she woke up he was on top of her with a knife to her neck and he raped her afterwards. My mom was always too scared to call the police and I don't live in the same state as them and I'm not in a position to help my mom either right now.

In 2019 he became baptized and said he found God. My mom had left and moved in with my sister after he choked her. She eventually moved back in because she thought he changed despite me telling her it was only a ruse to get her to go back. Shortly after, he went back to his same abusiveness with my mom and verbally abuses her, calling her a whore/slut/whatever and has raped her a few times as well (He says it's not rape because it's the wife's duty to sexually please him despite her saying no.) He also denies the fact he sexually assaulted my sister despite verbally telling me he did so and admitting it to my brother in a text, says we're all liars and making stuff up about him and we ruined his life.

He now says because he found God and is baptized, he's going to Heaven despite still behaving exactly the same. He also recently left a voicemail telling me I should have been aborted and that a child's life doesn't go well unless their father blesses them. Is this actually true or is he just making shit up?

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Short answer:
https://youtu.be/4A24z5VMedY

Long answer:
https://youtu.be/bfiM9K48Dzg
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Im not a Christian anymore, but if he didnt actually change his ways or accept Jesus in his heart after the baptism then according to the Bible he wouldnt end up going to heaven
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yeah no that guy is literally fuckin evil and hes gonna burn

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Holy_Cloud105 posted...

a child's life doesn't go well unless their father blesses them. Is this actually true or is he just making shit up?

Referring to this part the father is God, not their shitty father. If you walk with God you will be blessed.

Yes, unfortunately God forgives all sins. Tbh I think a lot of Christians use that as an excuse to act like jackasses

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I am sorry to hear all of that. But no, there is no way he is going to Heaven with that attitude.

You dont need his blessings to go well. His blessings are next to nothing of worth at this point.

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My own views aside, I wish I could say he has no chance of going to Heaven.

But considering everything points to God being this cosmic jerk, I unfortunately can't say for sure.

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Holy_Cloud105 posted...

Is this actually true or is he just making shit up?

he's not going to heaven because he's not sorry

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your daddy is trash like a politician

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dr_strangelove posted...

tldr;

abuser found god and pretends he never abused

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dr_strangelove posted...

is this topic about drugs

no. he sexually abused kids and women

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dr_strangelove posted...

is this topic about drugs

No, why would it be? This stuff actually happened and I see a therapist every week because of what I went through as a kid.

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By the way, there was a pastor who visited Jeffrey Dahmer in prison. Although the pastor couldn't be sure, he genuinely believes that Jeffrey Dahmer genuinely had a change of heart and converted to Christianity. It is not for anyone but God to decide who gets into Heaven.
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If he repented and honestly tried to change than he would have a shot at going to paradise according to the Bible. But just sitting in church doesnt give you that.

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Religion can be a great thing, but there are downright evil people who flock to it to use it as a way to excuse the wrongs that they do. A real man of God wouldnt make excuses and continue to do evil things; he would stop doing wrong and start using the rest of his life to make up for it. Some people think that praying 100% absolves them of any wrongdoing, without having to serve any form of penance. How convenient, right?

Have you considered showing any evidence (like the text message) to the cops? There are situations where a victim, like your mom, are too scared to get a restraining order and sometimes the courts can step in and do it for them.

Why havent you reported this to authorities?

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Heaven isnt real tbh

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Payzmaykr posted...

Religion can be a great thing, but there are downright evil people who flock to it to use it as a way to excuse the wrongs that they do. A real man of God wouldnt make excuses and continue to do evil things; he would stop doing wrong and start to make amends.

Have you considered showing any evidence (like the text message) to the cops? There are situations where a victim, like your mom, are too scared to get a restraining order and sometimes the courts can step in and do it for them.

That's not something my brother would do. I don't see eye to eye with him very often in regards to our father. He ran off to the military when he turned 18 and my sister and I were left to deal with our father. My brother feels that because he's our father he deserves multiple chances/respect where my sister and I want nothing to do with him and have cut contact with him. I just have had the same number for a long time and even though his number is blocked my phone still notifies me if there's a voicemail. The stuff with my sister also happened in the 80s and 90s as both of my siblings are 10+ years older than me so I don't even know if SoL even apply.

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skermac posted...

Why havent you reported this to authorities?

I have no actual proof unlike my brother who would not report it. The times he has recently raped my mother couldn't be proven because she waited too long to tell my sister and my sister(who is in the medical field) told her that because she waited so long there would be no signs of trauma for the police to be able to do anything. He's also been arrested twice in the past and he's playing it cautious with my mom for now because he said he's scared of jail.

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Holy_Cloud105 posted...

That's not something my brother would do. I don't see eye to eye with him very often in regards to our father. He ran off to the military when he turned 18 and my sister and I were left to deal with our father. My brother feels that because he's our father he deserves multiple chances/respect where my sister and I want nothing to do with him and have cut contact with him. I just have had the same number for a long time and even though his number is blocked my phone still notifies me if there's a voicemail. This also happened in the 80s and 90s as both of my siblings are 10+ years older than me.

Its perfectly fine for two siblings to be closer with each other than they are with the others and it sounds like you and your sister are sort of bound together from the abuse. It sounds like your brother doesnt see/hear it because he doesnt want to, and that may just be his coping mechanism. Not saying he doesnt care, but I think that you and your sister should have a sit-down sometime really soon and discuss whats going on and how to proceed.

You can NOT allow an abusive person to force you to allow them into your life. You have every right to cut ties with someone who intentionally causes you so much stress and your sister might be thinking the same thing. It just seems like your mother is the one who is sort of stuck with him, and there may be a way for you and your sister to talk her out of this. Your sister might be affected by this even more than she lets on, so maybe have a personal discussion and talk about whether SHE wants to go to the police about it. She might be scared to do it and having some support might help her move on with her life. Same with you and your mom. If your other siblings want to ignore the abuse, then dont concern yourself with their viewpoints; theyre enablers if theyre not going to listen to you.

Edit: if theres no evidence, then I would think about setting some serious boundaries. Maybe your sister has a text or something that you dont know about.

According to the Catholics all your dad has to do is ask for forgiveness before he dies and he's all good.

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Holy_Cloud105 posted...

a child's life doesn't go well unless their father blesses them. Is this actually true

I do not recall learning this

https://youtu.be/XHZ3NbEIDdw

https://youtu.be/m7ciqF3mn4c

https://youtu.be/peMIHK87e6w

https://youtu.be/7DYajDa33WU

https://youtu.be/Jy6AOGRsR80
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I believe in true repentance. But I don't believe even 1% of our planet is capable of it. True repentance can't be seen by others. It's purely within, you have to completely acknowledge with every inch of your body and soul that you did wrong and you have to truly, truly want to change and do better. If you have even a shred of thoughts like "I'm just doing this to go to heaven" or if you make excuses for past or current behavior, it won't work. And you also have to accept that you may never be forgiven.

I've never met anyone who could do it. Myself included. That is the level of repentance that I believe could lead someone into gods good graces.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M

How are none of ECOMI posts not modded for spamming?

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What kind of Christian?

some people believe that just saying you believe in Jesus will get you saved.

sorry that your dad is on some other shit

I'm Catholic


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I want to make a suggestion but the mods might not agree. Even if I suggest it as a fellow Christian.

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Payzmaykr posted...

Its perfectly fine for two siblings to be closer with each other than they are with the others and it sounds like you and your sister are sort of bound together from the abuse. It sounds like your brother doesnt see/hear it because he doesnt want to, and that may just be his coping mechanism. Not saying he doesnt care, but I think that you and your sister should have a sit-down sometime really soon and discuss whats going on and how to proceed.

You can NOT allow an abusive person to force you to allow them into your life. You have every right to cut ties with someone who intentionally causes you so much stress and your sister might be thinking the same thing. It just seems like your mother is the one who is sort of stuck with him, and there may be a way for you and your sister to talk her out of this. Your sister might be affected by this even more than she lets on, so maybe have a personal discussion and talk about whether SHE wants to go to the police about it. She might be scared to do it and having some support might help her move on with her life. Same with you and your mom. If your other siblings want to ignore the abuse, then dont concern yourself with their viewpoints; theyre enablers if theyre not going to listen to you.

Edit: if theres no evidence, then I would think about setting some serious boundaries. Maybe your sister has a text or something that you dont know about.

I've talked with my sister a lot about it over the years. My sister has basically shut down since her marriage is falling apart and she doesn't really care about anything anymore. Her husband has a lot of the same attitude issues as our father but he's not physically or sexually abusive to her or their children. At least not yet and that I know of.

My mom wants to leave but she wants to retire from her job first to have some kind of income available to her. She also really hurt my sister for going back to him after falling for his reformed Christian thing. Plus my dad owns a gun now and my sister is afraid to let my mom go live with her again because of it. Florida is a really messed up state that someone arrested twice for assault in two different states can legally get a gun still.

armandro posted...

What kind of Christian?

some people believe that just saying you believe in Jesus will get you saved.

sorry that your dad is on some other shit

I'm Catholic

I'm not sure but I've heard my mom mention something about saying the Sinner's Prayer before you die. I dunno if that's purely a Catholic thing or not.

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Your dad sounds like a real piece of shit. I'd never wanna associate with him if I was you

Do you know what his childhood was like? I assume not great

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