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CableZL 06/01/21 11:45:07 AM #1: |
https://www.newsweek.com/capitol-rioters-attorney-calls-him-dumb-who-believed-what-he-heard-fox-news-1596308
Attorneys have told Newsweek that the "blame Trump" defense isn't a strong one because in a trial, defendants will be held accountable for their own actions. Joseph Hurley, Antonio's lawyer, acknowledged to the Associated Press that misinformation is also "not a defense." "But it will be brought up to say: This is why he was here. The reason he was there is because he was a dumb*** and believed what he heard on Fox News," Hurley said. Antonio allegedly wore a tactical bulletproof vest adorned with a "Three Percenters" patch, a symbol of the militia group, according to court documents. He was arrested in Delaware on April 20 after officers received a tip that he was one of the people law enforcement was looking for in connection with the riot. "You want war? We got war. 1776 all over again," Antonio said in a video from the riot. I really hope this kind of sentiment goes into public record during the trials. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightHawKnight 06/01/21 11:47:13 AM #2: |
Arent a bunch of rioters waiting on plea deals cause they believe Trump will save them for some reason?
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QFrench2 06/01/21 11:48:15 AM #3: |
"You want war? We got war. 1776 all over again," Antonio said in a video from the riot.
God, these people are so ignorant. It makes me sick to see old white dudes compare the fair 2020 election to the British imposing taxes and sending troops over here. --- Greatest Game: Final Fantasy IV (SNES) Greatest Player: Dirk ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlphaCuck 06/01/21 11:49:05 AM #4: |
i mean it's literally what happened with all those people, as opposed to them being evil or whatever
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TheVipaGTS 06/01/21 11:49:56 AM #5: |
is there anything we can do about Fox News and its Propaganda machine. They're the direct cause of all this shit.
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Cocytus 06/01/21 11:51:00 AM #6: |
From a legal perspective on their "defense," I wonder if they could subpoena Trump as a witness.
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QFrench2 06/01/21 11:51:09 AM #7: |
TheVipaGTS posted...
is there anything we can do about Fox News and its Propaganda machine. They're the direct cause of all this shit.no. Freedom of speech - Fox has a right to say stuff on their channel. --- Greatest Game: Final Fantasy IV (SNES) Greatest Player: Dirk ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheVipaGTS 06/01/21 11:53:39 AM #11: |
ClunkerSlim posted...
I mean, on one hand it really is true. But on the other, typically courts arent sympathetic to the idiot defense.its literally all they have. there is no other possible defense. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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QFrench2 06/01/21 11:53:41 AM #12: |
ClunkerSlim posted...
Uh... thats not exactly true. Freedom of Speech doesnt mean you can just say whatever the hell you want on National TV.It pretty much does. And people have a right to sue you, if you say something untrue or hurtful. Like Dominion is sueing Fox now. --- Greatest Game: Final Fantasy IV (SNES) Greatest Player: Dirk ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightHawKnight 06/01/21 11:54:40 AM #13: |
QFrench2 posted...
It pretty much does. And people have a right to sue you, if you say something untrue or hurtful. Like Dominion is sueing Fox now. But for instigating insurrections? That is a punishable crime. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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QFrench2 06/01/21 11:55:55 AM #15: |
LightHawKnight posted...
But for instigating insurrections? That is a punishable crime.It would have to be proven that the person was instigating insurrections, which would be very hard to prove to take Point A (A guy in a studio talking) and move it to Point B (People storming a building in-person) --- Greatest Game: Final Fantasy IV (SNES) Greatest Player: Dirk ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightHawKnight 06/01/21 11:56:02 AM #16: |
ClunkerSlim posted...
The question should be, Is there anything we can do about Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson? I hate how the lawsuit on Fucker Carlson fell through cause the judge believed Fox when they said any intelligent person should know anything he said is false. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shablagoo 06/01/21 11:56:02 AM #17: |
Its not a valid defense for the rioters but Fox News absolutely should face consequences as well and in an ideal world would be dismantled.
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Medussa 06/01/21 11:56:04 AM #18: |
idiots listening to other idiots who tell them to commit crimes in absolutely zero ways absolves said idiots of those crimes. at best, it just brings charges to more idiots.
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TheVipaGTS 06/01/21 11:56:09 AM #19: |
ClunkerSlim posted...
The question should be, Is there anything we can do about Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson?Short of sponsors dropping i don't think so. And they'll always get the stupid conservative and/or greedy sponsors. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightHawKnight 06/01/21 11:56:45 AM #20: |
QFrench2 posted...
It would have to be proven that the person was instigating insurrections, which would be very hard to prove to take Point A (A guy in a studio talking) and move it to Point B (People storming a building in-person) The rioters literally say it was cause of Fox. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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QFrench2 06/01/21 11:57:09 AM #21: |
People say a lot of things during criminal interrogations.
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LightHawKnight 06/01/21 11:57:55 AM #22: |
QFrench2 posted...
People say a lot of things during criminal interrogations. And all that proof means nothing somehow? --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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QFrench2 06/01/21 11:58:36 AM #23: |
I'm confused...what proof?
Trump gave a speech right near the Capital the day of the Insurrection. He should be held liable - but some guy in a studio talking to a camera thousands of miles away? Not so much. Hard to prove. --- Greatest Game: Final Fantasy IV (SNES) Greatest Player: Dirk ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheVipaGTS 06/01/21 12:01:39 PM #25: |
QFrench2 posted...
People say a lot of things during criminal interrogations.its their literal defense. its not just something they said that may or may not be admissible...their LITERAL defense is "Fox News made us do it because we're too stupid and they tricked us". --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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QFrench2 06/01/21 12:02:15 PM #26: |
TheVipaGTS posted...
its their literal defense. its not just something they said that may or may not be admissible...their LITERAL defense is "Fox News made us do it because we're too stupid and they tricked us".Yeah, and a lot of people LITERALLY give a defense of "God told me to murder my _____" People say a lot of things during criminal interrogations. --- Greatest Game: Final Fantasy IV (SNES) Greatest Player: Dirk ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CableZL 06/01/21 12:02:49 PM #27: |
QFrench2 posted...
I'm confused...what proof? Many of the capitol rioters are saying they did it because of Trump's instructions, too. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightHawKnight 06/01/21 12:05:21 PM #28: |
Conflict posted...
Testimony isn't enough to prove something like that in a court of law, especially because anybody could blame any random person or thing for a crime they committed. They'd need tangible, direct evidence. Like someone on FOX encouraging it on video for example If enough people say it was Fox and a lot have, that should be more than enough. Specially with the slant Fox is pushing. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheVipaGTS 06/01/21 12:05:30 PM #29: |
CableZL posted...
Many of the capitol rioters are saying they did it because of Trump's instructions, too.mAnY pEoPlE sAy A lOt Of ThInGs! --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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QFrench2 06/01/21 12:07:06 PM #30: |
TheVipaGTS posted...
mAnY pEoPlE sAy A lOt Of ThInGs! I BlAmE OtheRs FoR My OwN ActIons In Life --- Greatest Game: Final Fantasy IV (SNES) Greatest Player: Dirk ... Copied to Clipboard!
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masterpug53 06/01/21 12:09:06 PM #31: |
TheVipaGTS posted...
is there anything we can do about Fox News and its Propaganda machine. They're the direct cause of all this shit. The Dominion lawsuit resoundingly demonstrated that the one and only way to stop the right-wing disinformation juggernaut is to hit them hard in the only place they'll feel it: their wallets. Legal teams around the country need to use every facet of their power to mercilessly hound Fox News and their wannabees over every scrap of misinformation; even if the cases are unlikely to be won, it will keep them perpetually under threat of so many lawsuits that they won't be able to utter so much as a one-syllable word without fear of incriminating themselves. --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheVipaGTS 06/01/21 12:09:18 PM #32: |
QFrench2 posted...
I BlAmE OtheRs FoR My OwN ActIons In LifeYes, that's exactly what they're doing, and yes, it can be true. They were influenced. They were made to believe something was true and used that information to perform an action. The action is still their fault, but the reason they performed the action can still be held liable. They won't get off with this Fox News defense, but if enough of them use it (which they are) it could open up a can of worms for Fox. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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QFrench2 06/01/21 12:10:08 PM #33: |
TheVipaGTS posted...
Yes, that's exactly what they're doing, and yes, it can be true. They were influenced. They were made to believe something was true and used that information to perform and action. The action is still their fault, but the reason they performed the action can still be held liable.Who murdered people? Charles Manson, or his followers? Because if you say Charles Manson, you're wrong. --- Greatest Game: Final Fantasy IV (SNES) Greatest Player: Dirk ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheVipaGTS 06/01/21 12:11:46 PM #34: |
QFrench2 posted...
Who murdered people? Charles Manson, or his followers?What the fuck point are you trying to make? that actually helps my point lol...Manson didn't murder anyone, but he still got life. Fox didn't do the insurrection, but they still influenced people to do it. Just like Manson influenced people to murder. The insurrection terrorists won't get off, but If you wanna use the Charles Manson argument, Fox (and Trump i guess) is just as liable for influencing them. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 06/01/21 12:13:24 PM #35: |
CableZL posted...
It's amazing people are literally saying this shit, waving the Confederate flag in the capitol building, saying they want a civil war 2, and there's yet not one single treason charge. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IfGodCouldDie 06/01/21 12:14:37 PM #36: |
Medussa posted...
idiots listening to other idiots who tell them to commit crimes in absolutely zero ways absolves said idiots of those crimes. at best, it just brings charges to more idiots.Which is absolutely fine and more idiots should be charged for it. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:IfGodCouldDie IGN:SuperPattyCakes FC: SW-1615-6159-5504 Boop Trooper reporting for duty. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheVipaGTS 06/01/21 12:14:41 PM #37: |
Tyranthraxus posted...
It's amazing people are literally saying this shit, waving the Confederate flag in the capitol building, saying they want a civil war 2, and there's yet not one single treason charge.and you KNOW these are the same people who say things like "AMERICA IS MY COUNTRY IF YOU DON'T LOVE IT GET OUT YOU BETTER STAND FOR THAT FLAG!"....as they wave the flag of America's biggest traitors.....Its all lost on them. They're just too stupid. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Medussa 06/01/21 12:14:46 PM #38: |
Tyranthraxus posted...
It's amazing people are literally saying this shit, waving the Confederate flag in the capitol building, saying they want a civil war 2, and there's yet not one single treason charge. probably because of the kid gloves the first insurrectionists got. --- Boom! That's right, this is all happening! You cannot change the channel now! And then there's Abby... She likes to braid ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Number090684 06/01/21 12:15:23 PM #39: |
QFrench2 posted...
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QFrench2 06/01/21 12:16:36 PM #40: |
TheVipaGTS posted...
What the fuck point are you trying to make? that actually helps my point lol...Manson didn't murder anyone, but he still got life. Fox didn't do the insurrection, but they still influenced people to do it. Just like Manson influenced people to murder. The insurrection terrorists won't get off, but If you wanna use the Charles Manson argument, Fox (and Trump i guess) is just as liable for influencing them. There can only be one Charles Manson in my metaphor. And it's Donald Trump, not Fox News. --- Greatest Game: Final Fantasy IV (SNES) Greatest Player: Dirk ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheVipaGTS 06/01/21 12:17:58 PM #41: |
QFrench2 posted...
There can only be one Charles Manson in my metaphor. And it's Donald Trump, not Fox News.Individual Members of Fox News can also be thrown in. The network as a whole might not be taken off the air, but when we say Fox News we obviously mean the "Journalists" and Hosts on the channel. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 06/01/21 12:18:26 PM #42: |
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Tyranthraxus 06/01/21 12:18:45 PM #43: |
Medussa posted...
probably because of the kid gloves the first insurrectionists got.John Brown was hanged for treason because he and a couple dozen followers attacked a military base. This is ridiculously disproportionate. Thousands of people attacked the literal capitol outright stating they were there for war. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv ... Copied to Clipboard!
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QFrench2 06/01/21 12:19:31 PM #44: |
TheVipaGTS posted...
Individual Members of Fox News can also be thrown in. The network as a whole might not be taken off the air, but when we say Fox News we obviously mean the "Journalists" and Hosts on the channel.true --- Greatest Game: Final Fantasy IV (SNES) Greatest Player: Dirk ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheVipaGTS 06/01/21 12:20:04 PM #45: |
Tyranthraxus posted...
John Brown was hanged for treason because he and a couple dozen followers attacked a military base.They were literally chanting about killing people and actively looking for politicians to tie up and do who knows what....Its fuckin insane that Republicans don't want to do anything about that. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Medussa 06/01/21 12:21:12 PM #46: |
Tyranthraxus posted...
i wasn't trying in any way to say they don't deserve sedition charges. only to offer a possible reason why they did what they did without fear of any. --- Boom! That's right, this is all happening! You cannot change the channel now! And then there's Abby... She likes to braid ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IfGodCouldDie 06/01/21 12:21:55 PM #47: |
TheVipaGTS posted...
They were literally chanting about killing people and actively looking for politicians to tie up and do who knows what....Its fuckin insane that Republicans don't want to do anything about that.Why would the Republicans want to do anything about pawns fighting their enemies for them. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:IfGodCouldDie IGN:SuperPattyCakes FC: SW-1615-6159-5504 Boop Trooper reporting for duty. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RebelElite791 06/01/21 12:23:10 PM #48: |
IfGodCouldDie posted...
Why would the Republicans want to do anything about pawns fighting their enemies for them.I get what youre getting at, but they also had it out for plenty of republicans --- Einsprachigkeit ist heilbar https://imgur.com/MS5SvzN ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheVipaGTS 06/01/21 12:24:34 PM #49: |
RebelElite791 posted...
I get what youre getting at, but they also had it out for plenty of republicansExactly, but those Republicans have no spine at all. If the terrorists killed them in the name of Trump they'd probably be ok with it. They're all part of the cult for their own reasons. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IfGodCouldDie 06/01/21 12:24:44 PM #50: |
RebelElite791 posted...
I get what youre getting at, but they also had it out for plenty of republicansYea, but at the same time doing anything will discourage people from trying it again. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:IfGodCouldDie IGN:SuperPattyCakes FC: SW-1615-6159-5504 Boop Trooper reporting for duty. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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