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Gal_Gadonut
05/30/21 9:01:58 PM
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I dunno about another movie that does this. Where the jigsaw killer is actually saving lives. Killer if course being the wrong word because he never actually kills anyone

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05/30/21 9:02:20 PM
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not the hero tho

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g0ldie
05/30/21 9:04:14 PM
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Jigsaw isn't a hero, and has put people in situations where at least one of them had to die.

dude's a murderer.

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Darmik
05/30/21 9:05:30 PM
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Gal_Gadonut posted...
Where the jigsaw killer is actually saving lives. Killer if course being the wrong word because he never actually kills anyone

Err no.

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Ryuko_Chan
05/30/21 9:05:46 PM
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uh

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darkprince45
05/30/21 9:05:49 PM
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Dudes a serial killer, killing people in the most horrific manners. And honestly, most of them didnt do something serious enough to warrant mutilating body parts to maybe survive lol

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Gal_Gadonut
05/30/21 9:05:51 PM
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Guy never kills anyone. He literally saves people by making them appreciate life. Of course I refer to John. Not Amanda or anyone else

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Flauros
05/30/21 9:06:40 PM
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Some people were put into traps that there was nearly no way to win

Even in the first movie Adam was pretty much fucked. There was no way to get that key back. Even if Jigsaw didnt know that amanda tossed the key so it would go down the drain, he still closed the door on him.

Then there was the safe room. That was nearly impossible to win. he only had a couple of hours to trudge around a glass covered room with a tealight, trying literally hundreds of combos in that safe.

Then there was amandas trap where she had to gut somebody to get the key. That guy had 0 chance of survival, and didnt even has his own game. He was just there to die.

I would call that murder.

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g0ldie
05/30/21 9:07:15 PM
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Gal_Gadonut posted...
Guy never kills anyone. He literally saves people by making them appreciate life. Of course I refer to John. Not Amanda or anyone else
iirc, in the trap Amanda was in, she had to kill the person she was trapped with, or they had to kill her, to survive.

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Gal_Gadonut
05/30/21 9:08:25 PM
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g0ldie posted...
iirc, in the trap Amanda was in, she had to kill the person she was trapped with, or they had to kill her, to survive.

Not really. If you cut surgically instead of hacking away. Both people would have lived.

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SSJPurple
05/30/21 9:09:13 PM
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Jigsaw is not a hero. I understand his perspective but we all know his methods are too extreme.

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Nemu
05/30/21 9:10:35 PM
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I don't think putting dozens of people through horribly traumatic and deadly experiences and getting like two positive results is really a good indicator that his methods help people. He's certainly working from a very twisted and insane altruistic perspective, but that doesn't mean he's not the villain. He's just a slightly relatable insane villain.
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Darmik
05/30/21 9:11:32 PM
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Gal_Gadonut posted...
Not really. If you cut surgically instead of hacking away. Both people would have lived.

Why would he let her do that?

Also even in the context of the series the people he 'saves' often become killers.

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MorbidFaithless
05/30/21 9:11:51 PM
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What is this 2006

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g0ldie
05/30/21 9:11:55 PM
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Gal_Gadonut posted...
Not really. If you cut surgically instead of hacking away. Both people would have lived.
with their lack of medical training, anesthesia, means to sanitize the blades and incisions, idk about that

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Gal_Gadonut
05/30/21 9:12:22 PM
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I'd love to go through one of his traps. Like, I believe i appreciate life but how can I truly know unless I experience one of his traps?

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Flauros
05/30/21 9:13:04 PM
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g0ldie posted...
with their lack of medical training, anesthesia, means to sanitize the blades and incisions, idk about that
Dont forget the 60 second time limit to preform an open surgery with no training before her head was torn apart.

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g0ldie
05/30/21 9:13:55 PM
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lol, I actually did forget

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Zikten
05/30/21 9:18:29 PM
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He doesn't save lives. His philosophy is twisted and wrong. He's a psychopath that has fooled himself into thinking he is doing good
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TheOtherMike
05/30/21 9:20:50 PM
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Gal_Gadonut posted...
Not really. If you cut surgically instead of hacking away. Both people would have lived.

She didn't have time for that.
You can't "cut surgically" into a conscious person.
Infection.
Blood loss.
Literally no medical training.

No, there was absolutely no way for him to survive.
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metralo
05/30/21 9:21:23 PM
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you just repeatedly post the most dog shit opinions over and over again

this one is weird even for you, smal

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Gal_Gadonut
05/30/21 9:22:15 PM
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TheOtherMike posted...
She didn't have time for that.
You can't "cut surgically" into a conscious person.
Infection.
Blood loss.
Literally no medical training.

No, there was absolutely no way for him to survive.

I'm pretty sure I could do it. She had the x ray after all

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TheOtherMike
05/30/21 9:24:07 PM
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Gal_Gadonut posted...
I'm pretty sure I could do it.

No. You have no idea what you're talking about.
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ImagineUsngAlts
05/30/21 9:24:59 PM
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Gal_Gadonut posted...
I'd love to go through one of his traps. Like, I believe i appreciate life but how can I truly know unless I experience one of his traps?

Travel to the desert and get your arm trapped under a boulder so you'd have to cut your arm off to survive.
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David1988
05/30/21 9:25:38 PM
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This is an original troll topic, never saw people stick up for the Jigsaw killer before

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Gal_Gadonut
05/30/21 9:26:52 PM
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TheOtherMike posted...
No. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Sure I do. I mean without the x ray, I would agree with you. But with it? I could perform the operation in 20 seconds

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TheOtherMike
05/30/21 9:27:52 PM
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Gal_Gadonut posted...
Sure I do. I mean without the x ray, I would agree with you. But with it? I could perform the operation in 20 seconds


TheOtherMike posted...
No. You have no idea what you're talking about.

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trappedunderice
05/30/21 9:27:54 PM
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This is sad.
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Gal_Gadonut
05/30/21 9:36:09 PM
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trappedunderice posted...
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This is sad.

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pikachupwnage
05/30/21 9:37:43 PM
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Nemu posted...
I don't think putting dozens of people through horribly traumatic and deadly experiences and getting like two positive results is really a good indicator that his methods help people. He's certainly working from a very twisted and insane altruistic perspective, but that doesn't mean he's not the villain. He's just a slightly relatable insane villain.

A mentally ill Anti-Villain is the most charitable descriptor that sorta fits.

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hyperpowder
05/30/21 9:39:03 PM
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I think Marvel movies are pretty dumb and I don't closely follow the plot in most of them. But isn't Thanos trying to save the universe or something?

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Gal_Gadonut
05/30/21 9:40:28 PM
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hyperpowder posted...
I think Marvel movies are pretty dumb and I don't closely follow the plot in most of them. But isn't Thanos trying to save the universe or something?

Thats actually a good point. I mean heck, even here in earth we could use a Thanos snap because we are already facing overpopulation. I'd definitely consider Thanos a hero of sorts.

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Vicious_Dios
05/30/21 9:40:40 PM
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trappedunderice posted...
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Gal_Gadonut posted...
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You both left out the badges!


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Smashingpmkns
05/30/21 9:41:51 PM
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Gal_Gadonut posted...
Thats actually a good point. I mean heck, even here in earth we could use a Thanos snap because we are already facing overpopulation. I'd definitely consider Thanos a hero of sorts.

This some deranged shit lmao
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Kajagogo
05/30/21 9:45:23 PM
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Gal_Gadonut posted...
Not really. If you cut surgically instead of hacking away. Both people would have lived.


Okay, this has turned into a troll thread.

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Gal_Gadonut
05/30/21 9:46:35 PM
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Kajagogo posted...
Okay, this has turned into a troll thread.

Dude, didn't Amanda end up flat out stabbing the guy multiple times? If you can put something in without killing him, you can take it out without killing him.

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Delirious_Beard
05/30/21 9:46:41 PM
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lame trolling

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PowerOats
05/30/21 9:49:16 PM
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Inb4 Death Note
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WrestlinFan
05/30/21 9:50:19 PM
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Dude if you put people into a death machine and then activate that death machine, you are a murderer.

Thats why Saw is so stupid lol. Jigsaw is such an asshole.

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Gal_Gadonut
05/30/21 9:54:02 PM
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WrestlinFan posted...
Dude if you put people into a death machine and then activate that death machine, you are a murderer.

Thats why Saw is so stupid lol. Jigsaw is such an asshole.

DUDE. Literally every person could have survived if they would have just won their games. So their was no death machine. The games don't even look hard. Like shit, in the second movie all the cop had to do for instance is do nothing.

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