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finalbossfight 05/27/21 4:44:48 PM #1:	So the question is, when interacting with someone, no matter what, you're "manipulating" someone. So how is that "wrong"? <cite>finalbossfight posted [p:954367340] in If all soc... [t:79481711]...</cite> <quote> So the question is, when interacting with someone, no matter what, you're "manipulating" someone. So how is that "wrong"? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 05/27/21 4:46:28 PM #2:	Well if a fictional character says so --- Einsprachigkeit ist heilbar https://imgur.com/MS5SvzN <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:954367399] in If all soc... [t:79481711]...</cite> <quote>Well if a fictional character says so </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata 05/27/21 4:48:58 PM #3:	I think that level of manipulation is pretty benign? There are a lot of speculative things that can be happening with language. Read Lacan or something FWIW I did quiz a Jung expert on whether projection is a feature of language or just a consequence, and he did not give me a clear answer. He also stole my ideas and and told them to the class the following week as if they were his... or just recounting my ideas for a laugh? Office Hours: not even once --- "Why is ontology so expensive?" - JH [Is this live?][Joyless planet...] <cite>MedeaLysistrata posted [p:954367460] in If all soc... [t:79481711]...</cite> <quote>I think that level of manipulation is pretty benign? There are a lot of speculative things that can be happening with language. Read Lacan or something FWIW I did quiz a Jung expert on whether projection is a feature of language or just a consequence, and he did not give me a clear answer. He also stole my ideas and and told them to the class the following week as if they were his... or just recounting my ideas for a laugh? Office Hours: not even once </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nothanks1 05/27/21 4:49:34 PM #4:	The use of manipulation is for good or bad To maniuplate a child into doing chores by rewarding them is manipulation but it's not bad in society. <cite>nothanks1 posted [p:954367488] in If all soc... [t:79481711]...</cite> <quote>The use of manipulation is for good or bad To maniuplate a child into doing chores by rewarding them is manipulation but it's not bad in society.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata 05/27/21 4:51:14 PM #5:	nothanks1 posted... The use of manipulation is for good or bad To maniuplate a child into doing chores by rewarding them is manipulation but it's not bad in society. What if you make the kid do a lot of obtuse chores to build a work ethic, but all it does is build resent for domestic labour? --- "Why is ontology so expensive?" - JH [Is this live?][Joyless planet...] <cite>MedeaLysistrata posted [p:954367552] in If all soc... [t:79481711]...</cite> <quote>nothanks1 posted... </cite> <quote>The use of manipulation is for good or bad To maniuplate a child into doing chores by rewarding them is manipulation but it's not bad in society.</quote>What if you make the kid do a lot of obtuse chores to build a work ethic, but all it does is build resent for domestic labour? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/27/21 4:51:45 PM #6:	All social interaction is transactional. Manipulation may be a part of that, or it may not. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:954367574] in If all soc... [t:79481711]...</cite> <quote>All social interaction is transactional. Manipulation may be a part of that, or it may not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nemu 05/27/21 4:52:58 PM #7:	Extreme simplification of complex processes to sound smart is the worst kind of writing. <cite>Nemu posted [p:954367613] in If all soc... [t:79481711]...</cite> <quote>Extreme simplification of complex processes to sound smart is the worst kind of writing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
finalbossfight 05/27/21 4:53:35 PM #8:	Questionmarktarius posted... All social interaction is transactional. Manipulation may be a part of that, or it may not. If you are trying to present yourself in a certain way, that is basically manipulation according to the prompt. <cite>finalbossfight posted [p:954367645] in If all soc... [t:79481711]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>All social interaction is transactional. Manipulation may be a part of that, or it may not.</quote>If you are trying to present yourself in a certain way, that is basically manipulation according to the prompt. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
No_U_L7 05/27/21 4:53:56 PM #9:	all social interaction is indeed manipulation, a lot of people just don't realize it. the difference between good and bad manipulation is intent if you're trying to manipulate someone into doing something that benefits you and screws them over, that's bad if you're doing something to give someone a good experience and benefit both of you, that's good cooking dinner for your wife and giving her orgasms is manipulation...but it's done in a genuine way to show that you love and appreciate her --- https://imgur.com/QPgN9 <cite>No_U_L7 posted [p:954367660] in If all soc... [t:79481711]...</cite> <quote>all social interaction is indeed manipulation, a lot of people just don't realize it. the difference between good and bad manipulation is intent if you're trying to manipulate someone into doing something that benefits you and screws them over, that's bad if you're doing something to give someone a good experience and benefit both of you, that's good cooking dinner for your wife and giving her orgasms is manipulation...but it's done in a genuine way to show that you love and appreciate her</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/27/21 4:55:15 PM #10:	finalbossfight posted... If you are trying to present yourself in a certain way, that is basically manipulation according to the prompt. If you don't see benefit to the proposed transaction, you won't be manipulated. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:954367715] in If all soc... [t:79481711]...</cite> <quote>finalbossfight posted... </cite> <quote>If you are trying to present yourself in a certain way, that is basically manipulation according to the prompt.</quote>If you don't see benefit to the proposed transaction, you won't be manipulated. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VigorouslySwish 05/27/21 4:55:22 PM #11:	well if a character from Brandon Sanderson's novel Mistborn: The Final Empire says it.... --- i'm just some guy yellin' about apple sauce <cite>VigorouslySwish posted [p:954367720] in If all soc... [t:79481711]...</cite> <quote>well if a character from Brandon Sanderson's novel Mistborn: The Final Empire says it.... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 05/27/21 4:56:18 PM #12:	No_U_L7 posted... all social interaction is indeed manipulation, a lot of people just don't realize it. the difference between good and bad manipulation is intent if you're trying to manipulate someone into doing something that benefits you and screws them over, that's bad if you're doing something to give someone a good experience and benefit both of you, that's good cooking dinner for your wife and giving her orgasms is manipulation...but it's done in a genuine way to show that you love and appreciate her When you're right, you're right. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:954367752] in If all soc... [t:79481711]...</cite> <quote>No_U_L7 posted... </cite> <quote>all social interaction is indeed manipulation, a lot of people just don't realize it. the difference between good and bad manipulation is intent if you're trying to manipulate someone into doing something that benefits you and screws them over, that's bad if you're doing something to give someone a good experience and benefit both of you, that's good cooking dinner for your wife and giving her orgasms is manipulation...but it's done in a genuine way to show that you love and appreciate her</quote> When you're right, you're right. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
philsov 05/27/21 4:56:47 PM #13:	Is there a difference between interaction and manipulation? --- Remember that I won't rest, 'til we share the same tense Just know, to me, you're better late than never again. <cite>philsov posted [p:954367770] in If all soc... [t:79481711]...</cite> <quote>Is there a difference between interaction and manipulation?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PMarth2002 05/27/21 5:26:45 PM #14:	I'd disagree with the idea that all social interaction is manipulative. A lot of it, sure. --- You load sixteen tons, what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt <cite>PMarth2002 posted [p:954368877] in If all soc... [t:79481711]...</cite> <quote>I'd disagree with the idea that all social interaction is manipulative. A lot of it, sure. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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finalbossfight 05/28/21 9:41:44 PM #16:	philsov posted... Is there a difference between interaction and manipulation? PMarth2002 posted... I'd disagree with the idea that all social interaction is manipulative. A lot of it, sure. According to the prompt, no <cite>finalbossfight posted [p:954412201] in If all soc... [t:79481711]...</cite> <quote>philsov posted... </cite> <quote>Is there a difference between interaction and manipulation?</quote> PMarth2002 posted... </cite> <quote>I'd disagree with the idea that all social interaction is manipulative. A lot of it, sure.</quote>According to the prompt, no </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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