Current Events > GOP pushing for a bill to ban teaching of slavery

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@Broseph_Stalin

Actually state whether or not you think the 1619 Project is good.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

The shit about 1619 and CRT is blatant deflection and people like Broseph are falling for it hook, line and sinker.

No the GOP is trying to bait Democrats into defending those things and people like you are falling for it.

wiiking96 posted...

Actually state whether or not you think the 1619 Project is good.

It's terrible.

The 1619 Project does a good job of highlighting that black history is America's History and that we should acknowledge how so much of the country was built on the backs of slaves.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

No the GOP is trying to bait Democrats into defending those things and people like you are falling for it.

Lol this isn't the GOP trying to pull some political chess move.

This is the GOP blatantly and openly trying to whitewash American history because they know they can get away with it.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

It's terrible.

Why?

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wiiking96 posted...

Why?

Because they knowingly published incorrect information to push a political narrative while calling it "history".

They're banning critical race theory not the history of slavery. Critical race theory indoctrinates peoples into racist ways and to hate the west.

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"The GOP is playing 5D Chess and getting the left to fall for it!"
- A sensible liberal on CE

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TerraSeeker posted...

They're banning critical race theory not the history of slavery. Critical race theory indoctrinates peoples into racist ways and to hate the west.

This is adorable.

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Solar_Crimson posted...

Except when it's White people being discriminated against.

Name a country where white people are discriminated against

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

Because they knowingly published incorrect information to push a political narrative while calling it "history".

1. Who is "they"?
2. Is the Project completely without merit? Is there no way to correct what flaws it may have and make it a worthwhile inclusion in Public Education?

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TerraSeeker posted...

They're banning critical race theory not the history of slavery. Critical race theory indoctrinates peoples into racist ways and to hate the west.

This is white nationalist rhetoric.

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hockeybub89 posted...

"The GOP is playing 5D Chess and getting the left to fall for it!"

It's not exactly 5D chess

but you are falling for it

which makes it even worse

Broseph_Stalin posted...

It's not exactly 5D chess

but you are falling for it

which makes it even worse

Who do you mean "you"?

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If they are trying to whitewash history and deny slavery existed or that it was as terrible as it was, that's bad.

If they are trying to fight against the teaching that the US is and always has been a country founded on the idea of white-supremacy or something like that, then that is very understandable.

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Its msnbc, they are basically a tabloid at this point. I don't see anything credible about this.id have to see a real source

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wiiking96 posted...

1. Who is "they"?

The NY times and the activist who created the project.

wiiking96 posted...

2. Is the Project completely without merit? Is there no way to correct what flaws it may have and make it a worthwhile inclusion in Public Education?

If your project is based on a false premise (which is why they had to rewrite history to support it) I don't see how you could ever make it worthwhile.

The NY times could have got a bunch of historians together to examine slavery and institutional racism throughout US history, but they chose not to. Pretty obvious that this was about pushing CRT and not history.

hockeybub89 posted...

Who do you mean "you"?

The multiple people ITT who think they're owning the Republicans by letting them have the popular position on this issue.

Smashingpmkns posted...

Party of Lincoln. You know, the guy who did that thing we wiped from the grade school history books.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

The multiple people ITT who think they're owning the Republicans by letting them have the popular position on this issue.

If you you try and stop them from pushing their harmful agenda, you're playing right in to their hand.
That's a bold strategy, Cotton.

GeraldDarko posted...

If you you try and stop them from pushing their harmful agenda, you're playing right in to their hand.

Removing the 1619 project from schools isn't harmful.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

The multiple people ITT who think they're owning the Republicans by letting them have the popular position on this issue.

So you're going to what... side with the Republicans to own the Republicans?

"Yeah, the Republicans banning talk of slavery and racism in history class is bad, but have you considered it might be the liberals' fault for praising critical race theory?" is not the great take you think it is. That's a lot more "enlightented radical centrist" than "liberal who doesn't want to give the Republicans wins"

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And anyway, what is wrong with being more critical of American history? We generally only barely scratch the diseased and rotted foreskin of our past.

No, we shouldn't deliberately demonize current people for the sins of their grandfathers, if that is happening, but we should be frank.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

The 1619 project and CRT isn't history no matter how many times you repeat it.

Excise the "bad" parts of the 1619 project, is it still bad? What if you literally just teach the perspective of of black people and the effects of slavery, without reference to the 1619 project?

Also, what is your issue with critical race theory? Can you define it for us?

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hockeybub89 posted...

So you're going to what... side with the Republicans to own the Republicans?

"I don't support politicizing education, the 1619 project shouldn't be taught in schools"

That's it. That's all you have to say. It gives Republicans nothing while forcing them to defend their own terrible attempts at rewriting history.

You know how you guys are wrong about everything when it comes to politics? This is one of those times.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Removing the 1619 project from schools isn't harmful.

Wtf does that even mean?

Look, lots of scary words are unpopular. "Common core", "Obamacare", "socialism", etc. That doesn't make the ideas behind them bad ideas. And if there are issues within those frameworks, address them as they come up. It's ridiculous to avoid a topic just because it's unpopular.

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KnightofShikari posted...

weren't some republicans on the news a while back like "why can't we say the N word but they can say cracker?" and they don't realize how fucked up their world view is

Yeah. Sure ANY racial slur is bad. But the context of our history and current inequities means that the N-word has a far greater weight.


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ChocoboMogALT posted...

Also, what is your issue with critical race theory? Can you define it for us?

Because some liberals are just using it to hate white people and that makes the Republicans look like the good guys!

Or whatever sane take the most logical liberal in the world is about to tell you.

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ChocoboMogALT posted...

Excise the "bad" parts of the 1619 project, is it still bad?

You can't do this, because the bad parts were purposely included to defend their insane premise.

ChocoboMogALT posted...

What if you literally just teach the perspective of of black people and the effects of slavery, without reference to the 1619 project?

This would be great but it's not the goal of CRT proponents.

How do s the saying go, ignore history and you will repeat it

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

"I don't support politicizing education, the 1619 project shouldn't be taught in schools"

That's it. That's all you have to say. It gives Republicans nothing while forcing them to defend their own terrible attempts at rewriting history.

You know how you guys are wrong about everything when it comes to politics? This is one of those times.

I still don't know who exactly me guys is. And you don't think Republicans will frame attacking their politicized education as politicizing education? We can't even demolish Confederate statues without some political bullshit.

No one alive was even taught apolitical history in school.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

This would be great but it's not the goal of CRT proponents.

I feel like this is leading up to you ranting about how liberals like me or whoever want everyone to hate white people, including themselves. Totally normal things said by people who aren't nutjob conservatives.

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hockeybub89 posted...

I feel like this is leading up to you ranting about how liberals like me or whoever want everyone to hate white people, including themselves. Totally normal things said by people who aren't nutjob conservatives.

not my fault you don't understand what CRT is

would be really cool if people on CE would understand stuff before arguing about it, would have reduced the bad Hamas takes last week for sure

Please teach us oh glorious enlightened centrist

DarthAragorn posted...

Please teach us oh glorious enlightened centrist

www.google.com

Broseph_Stalin posted...

If your project is based on a false premise (which is why they had to rewrite history to support it) I don't see how you could ever make it worthwhile.

Dude, be specific. What "false premise" are you referring to?


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So you can't even tell us

You totally have any idea what you're talking about and aren't just shitting up a dying message board

Broseph_Stalin posted...

not my fault you don't understand what CRT is

would be really cool if people on CE would understand stuff before arguing about it, would have reduced the bad Hamas takes last week for sure

I have a formal education in critical race theory. My thesis was in how racism in the 60's has effects on inequality in education today.
You really sound like you're just eating Tucker Carlson talking points rather than actually making a point.

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wiiking96 posted...

Dude, be specific. What "false premise" are you referring to?

That slavery is not just a part of US history but the defining moment. That every aspect of US history was shaped by slavery. In order to do this they had to purposely make false claims. The American revolution? That was about slavery! A president fought a civil war and freed the slaves? Well we'll misattribute racist quotes to him! These weren't random mistakes, telling the truth would destroy their narrative.

DarthAragorn posted...

So you can't even tell us

CRT was first developed as a Marxist critique of liberal democracy and its institutions, which they believe protect and preserve racism. I'm not your teacher though.

Well that isn't weird or sus at all.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

CRT was first developed as a Marxist critique of liberal democracy and its institutions, which they believe protect and preserve racism. I'm not your teacher though.

I thought you didn't want to politicize education (which is ridiculous). This isn't quite as bad as saying the Nazis were socialists so you shouldn't socialize medicine, but it's akin to saying Darwin fucked his cousin so you shouldn't believe the basis for modern biology.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

If your project is based on a false premise

So what you're saying is slaves were not brought across the Atlantic ocean to America in 1619? Because that's the premise of the 1619 project.

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Smashingpmkns posted...

Party of Lincoln. You know, the guy who did that thing we wiped from the grade school history books.

The party of anti cancel culture definitely doesn't want to cancel things they don't like!
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

That slavery is not just a part of US history but the defining moment. That every aspect of US history was shaped by slavery. In order to do this they had to purposely make false claims. The American revolution? That was about slavery! A president fought a civil war and freed the slaves? Well we'll misattribute racist quotes to him! These weren't random mistakes, telling the truth would destroy their narrative.

Dude, slavery lasted for over two centuries in the United States and the prior colonies. Many of the founding fathers were slave owners. A brutal civil war was fought because a huge chunk of people in the United States were desperate to maintain slavery. The effects of slavery are still felt by the descendants of slaves today. The prison industrial complex has inherited many brutal aspects of the system of slavery.

The broad claim that slavery is a central part of US history is absolutely true.


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wiiking96 posted...

The effects of slavery are still felt by the descendants of slaves today.

No one is arguing otherwise. Reread the post.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Because that's the premise of the 1619 project.

It is not.

wiiking96 posted...

The broad claim that slavery is a central part of US history is absolutely true.

Seems absurd to argue otherwise.

Like, a system of governance was generated out of thin air during a time when black people were considered property and were the primary workforce of the economy. How the fuck are you gonna step back and pretend like this has had no impact in the way America was built and how institutions work in current day?

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wiiking96 posted...

Dude, slavery lasted for over two centuries in the United States and the prior colonies. Many of the founding fathers were slave owners. A brutal civil war was fought because a huge chunk of people in the United States were desperate to maintain slavery. The effects of slavery are still felt by the descendants of slaves today. The prison industrial complex has inherited many brutal aspects of the system of slavery.

The broad claim that slavery is a central part of US history is absolutely true.

This is not a response to the quoted post at all

COVxy posted...

How the fuck are you gonna step back and pretend like this has had no impact in the way America was built and how institutions work in current day?

You guys are responding to post that don't exist.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

That every aspect of US history was shaped by slavery

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Teaching that the American Revolution was fought to preserve slavery is as bad as saying the Civil War was fought by the south to defend state's freedom. Throw it in the trash.