Current Events > Is there a non-emotional reason to be against an easy mode in Dark Souls?

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Is there a non-emotional reason why you made this topic?

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Akagami_Shanks posted...

So in other words, games can have one difficulty and still be successful? Thanks.

Sure, either way works. Meaning there's no reason to be against an easy mode. Glad you agree. :)

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E_S_M_Z posted...

Sure, either way works. Meaning there's no reason to be against an easy mode. Glad you agree. :)

Glad you also agree there is no reason for an easy mode :)

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E_S_M_Z posted...

Meaning there's no reason to be against an easy mode. Glad you agree. :)

FROM has said that the difficulty is part of the experience. Thats the only reason needed.

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just make the easy mode for dark souls and monster hunter and all those mario and zelda games, but make it so you get locked out of most of the features, you only get a barren experience. No multiplayer, no DLCs, no G-rank, etc..

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Imagine thinking Bournekirosouls are hard.

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gmanthebest posted...

I think the "FROM doesn't want to" reason is more than enough reason

Nacen posted...

The challenge is the whole point as intended by the devs. It's like asking for 'no gore mode' in a DOOM game.

So? The challenge of basketball is to make a baske on a ten foot hoop, doesn't mean you can't have hoops of varying heights.
So much gate keeping in this thread for the sake of gate keeping.

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beating Bloodborne in 2 weeks with the same weapon felt satisfactory as fuck to me for some reason.

i didnt get to see every single thing in the game nor did i play the DLC but dude, give me a break! lol

Wanting a game to change for you so you can have your participation trophy sounds more emotional than anything imo tbh bbq

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Shamino posted...

So? The challenge of basketball is to make a baske on a ten foot hoop, doesn't mean you can't have hoops of varying heights.
So much gate keeping in this thread for the sake of gate keeping.

lmao the only time people change hoop size is if they're little kids. We've had standard size rims everywhere i've gone with a basketball hoop. So are you saying only little kids want an easy mode?

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Akagami_Shanks posted...

Glad you also agree there is no reason for an easy mode :)

I mean, there's demand for it, since it's come up several times. If it would make the game more accessible to more people, I think that's a great reason for one. That would include people who would play on Easy to get comfortable and then move up to the real game.

Akagami_Shanks posted...

just make the easy mode for dark souls and monster hunter and all those mario and zelda games, but make it so you get locked out of most of the features, you only get a barren experience. No multiplayer, no DLCs, no G-rank, etc..

I think people would be perfectly satisfied with that. Plenty of games lock certain features away from easy mode.

I4NRulez posted...

FROM has said that the difficulty is part of the experience. Thats the only reason needed.

Sure, but "easy" mode of a difficult game doesn't need to be braindead easy. A slightly reduced difficulty mode would still provide sufficient challenge to weaker players, and vice-versa to harder difficulties. Not every player's skill level is going to be the same, so it's not as if a sole difficulty mode provides a uniform challenge to all players.


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Conflict posted...

Bad analogy

Why?

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E_S_M_Z posted...

Sure, but "easy" mode of a difficult game doesn't need to be braindead easy. A slightly reduced difficulty mode would still provide sufficient challenge to weaker players, and vice-versa to harder difficulties. Not every player's skill level is going to be the same, so it's not as if a sole difficulty mode provides a uniform challenge to all players.

So, for an easy mode whats to stop me from invading them and killing them anyways?

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I4NRulez posted...

FROM has said that the difficulty is part of the experience. Thats the only reason needed.

That's the dumbest reason possible. Once you buy something you can do whatever you want with it within reason, don't need the consent of the seller.
So if I buy a package of Dixie cups and make sculptures out of them instead of drinking out of them that's my business.

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I4NRulez posted...

So, for an easy mode whats to stop me from invading them and killing them anyways?

There's really any multitude of workarounds for that. That's not much of an obstacle.

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E_S_M_Z posted...

There's really any multitude of workarounds for that. That's not much of an obstacle.

So the idea would be to cut off sections of the game then?


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E_S_M_Z posted...

I mean, there's demand for it, since it's come up several times. If it would make the game more accessible to more people, I think that's a great reason for one. That would include people who would play on Easy to get comfortable and then move up to the real game.

I think people would be perfectly satisfied with that. Plenty of games lock certain features away from easy mode.

Sure, but "easy" mode of a difficult game doesn't need to be braindead easy. A slightly reduced difficulty mode would still provide sufficient challenge to weaker players, and vice-versa to harder difficulties. Not every player's skill level is going to be the same, so it's not as if a sole difficulty mode provides a uniform challenge to all players.

if FROM cared about making their game accessible to 5 year olds, they would have. Ask not how the game can adjust to you, but how you can adjust to the game.
Literally the only thing Souls has going for it is its challenge and the feeling you get with overcoming it. Outside of its difficulty its a mediocre RPG

and like I said, theres already built in easy modes, it's called multiplayer. You can literally just co-op the entire game if you're that much of a coward and be OP for a NG+ run

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I don't even believe there's demand for a Dark Souls easy mode. There's a few people who are actively choosing not to play the games due to difficulty and then there's a twittersphere that's decided this is the next stand against gamer entitlement. Neither group is particularly large, but one of them is very vocal.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

I don't even believe there's demand for a Dark Souls easy mode. There's a few people who are actively choosing not to play the games due to difficulty and then there's a twittersphere that's decided this is the next stand against gamer entitlement. Neither group is particularly large, but one of them is very vocal.

Journalist who are shitty at games in general and people that wouldnt play the game regardless

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how about: enemies drop more souls and humanoid enemies have a higher humanity drop rate. what would that unbalance?

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E_S_M_Z posted...

I mean, there's demand for it, since it's come up several times. If it would make the game more accessible to more people, I think that's a great reason for one. That would include people who would play on Easy to get comfortable and then move up to the real game.

Is there? I assume they have a marketing team that calculated the cost of creating and balancing an easy mode to making more content and working on the next game and they decided on the latter.

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Akagami_Shanks posted...

if FROM cared about making their game accessible to 5 year olds, they would have. Ask not how the game can adjust to you, but how you can adjust to the game.
Literally the only thing Souls has going for it is its challenge and the feeling you get with overcoming it. Outside of its difficulty its a mediocre RPG

and like I said, theres already built in easy modes, it's called multiplayer. You can literally just co-op the entire game if you're that much of a coward and be OP for a NG+ run

Sounds like the whole argument then is "Easy mode would reveal the game actually sucks".

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Fluttershy posted...

how about: enemies drop more souls and humanoid enemies have a higher humanity drop rate. what would that unbalance?

There's items in all the souls games that increase that stuff. Plus there's summons, builds, etc etc that make the game easier.

These people just want to bitch because they cant go into the options and make the game easy

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There's items in all the souls games that increase that stuff.

i was thinking about the rings. i honestly don't remember where it is in the first one lol. catacombs?

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E_S_M_Z posted...

There's really any multitude of workarounds for that. That's not much of an obstacle.

The good ol' disconnect.

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People say "gatekeeping" like its a bad thing.

I4NRulez posted...

Journalist who are shitty at games in general and people that wouldnt play the game regardless

Let's face it, the easy mode crowd would probably still ragequit after getting rekt the first time. That's not the player FROM wants.

No matter how low the bar is set, some people are going to bitch and whine about it.


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They should just have a sandbox mode/editor in all their games so you can edit your stats

I want to one hit things and never take damage

I just don't get why it matters if someone else has the choice to use an easier mode. I've no interest in it myself and would never watch a streamer play on easy mode, but I couldn't begin to imagine why it matters if someone else played on easy.

Not that is ever going to happen as the devs don't want to, so this is just the daily topic on this subject CE trots out.

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Why
The
Fuck
Do these topics always get so many posts
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Emotional topic title

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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Why
The
Fuck
Do these topics always get so many posts

Nerds

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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Why
The
Fuck
Do these topics always get so many posts

Because elitist souls players are nosey and need to make sure other players are playing the game "correctly"

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Come to think of it, has TC responded at all?

I mean this topic is designed to be divisive because both sides will never impress the other as to why it should or shouldn't have this feature, with some fair points and dumb ones on both sides. I know where I personally stand, and I know I take issue with some of the dumb points on the other side, but...

Really that doesn't even matter 'cause yall know Miyazaki and From don't give a fuck and TC is just laughing his ass at you monkeys going in circles about it anyways.

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Life needs an easy mode and yet you all bitch about dark souls


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Shamino posted...

Because elitist souls players are nosey and need to make sure other players are playing the game "correctly"

Replace elitist souls players with people that don't even play the games wanting an easy mode and your post is equally accurate.

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Financial reasons. The games only got popular because of their difficulty.

action52 posted...

So I think an easy mode would just make new players lose interest.

It would make me gain interest.

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The-Apostle posted...

It would make me gain interest.

Nah, you'll probably say it's still too hard and drop it.

The-Apostle posted...

It would make me gain interest.

Theres ways to make the game easier now so why arent you playing it?

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I just don't get why it matters if someone else has the choice to use an easier mode.

they could just level vit to 50.

i don't like the idea of gutting all the meaning from the game systems in order to install an easy mode. i think if you want to argue player agency you need to have them.. uh.. have agency. their choices need to be meaningful. their progress has to be tangible. that's why i suggested the +souls thing; i think it just means more pressure toward the interactions themselves. i'm not against taking some of the friction out of the original dark souls but i want to keep it intact.

that said this topic made me want to like, mod it. and make an easy mode with foam bats and enemies just apologize and lay down when you beat them.

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Conflict posted...

It doesn't

I don't think a lot of people would take issue if FROM decided for themselves that they wanted to add one

Just as it stands right now, they don't. They want you to play the game the way they intended

Yeah, ultimately it's their game so it's really a moot point in the end. They would have added one if they intended too at this point, so really I just find it a pointless thing to push to change.

And I strongly disagree that many would be fine if they added one in themselves. Just look through this topic, and anytime on the internet it's mentioned. Dark Souls fans are toxic as fuck about the subject.

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Fluttershy posted...

they could just level vit to 50.

You could try arguing this point any way you like, it doesn't matter.

"Learning how the game works" is still gate keeping to some people. On the flipside, this is also not advice that makes itself self-evident sometimes. I mean yeah, you always get a passive defense boost with every stat you built, and higher HP means your chances of getting clowned on are lower, but then you run into the stuff that without a specific preparation slams you. This isn't a magic bullet answer to a multi-facet problem, and that's a lot for some people to take in.

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Sorcery + summoning = easy mode

Greatshield = very easy mode
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