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Bananana 05/19/21 3:45:37 PM #1:	Its more expensive, and the consequences of error are far graver than a life sentence. It seems like the only reason to support it is if you are so emotionally driven you cant see past even the most basic logic and only care about revenge make me feel strong --- http://error1355.com/ce/Bananana.html <cite>Bananana posted [p:954082145] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>Its more expensive, and the consequences of error are far graver than a life sentence. It seems like the only reason to support it is if you are so emotionally driven you cant see past even the most basic logic and only care about revenge make me feel strong </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trumble 05/19/21 3:48:42 PM #2:	Bananana posted... the consequences of error are far graver than a life sentence. Honestly, the more I think about this claim, the less comfortable I am with it. Sure, you can let someone out of prison, and if they've only been there a year or so it might be possible to make up for it - but if someone's been in prison even 5 years, let alone 20 or more, it'll basically be a completely different world when they come out - not to mention all the time they've lost that they could've been making something of their life. You really can't undo that either - you can argue all day about how it's theoretically undoable, or how "at least you can undo some of the damage", but ultimately - the person may still be alive, but their life has been fucked up pretty badly, and it's not likely to ever be fixed. --- "I did not actually say this." ~ SBAllen <cite>Trumble posted [p:954082227] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>Bananana posted... </cite> <quote>the consequences of error are far graver than a life sentence.</quote>Honestly, the more I think about this claim, the less comfortable I am with it. Sure, you can let someone out of prison, and if they've only been there a year or so it might be possible to make up for it - but if someone's been in prison even 5 years, let alone 20 or more, it'll basically be a completely different world when they come out - not to mention all the time they've lost that they could've been making something of their life. You really can't undo that either - you can argue all day about how it's theoretically undoable, or how "at least you can undo some of the damage", but ultimately - the person may still be alive, but their life has been fucked up pretty badly, and it's not likely to ever be fixed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bananana 05/19/21 3:52:16 PM #3:	Trumble posted... Honestly, the more I think about this claim, the less comfortable I am with it. Sure, you can let someone out of prison, and if they've only been there a year or so it might be possible to make up for it - but if someone's been in prison even 5 years, let alone 20 or more, it'll basically be a completely different world when they come out - not to mention all the time they've lost that they could've been making something of their life. You really can't undo that either - you can argue all day about how it's theoretically undoable, or how "at least you can undo some of the damage", but ultimately - the person may still be alive, but their life has been fucked up pretty badly, and it's not likely to ever be fixed. This is true, of course, theres no fixing it, really, but if you asked the average falsely imprisoned life-sentencer if theyd rather die or be released Im sure they would almost entirely pick the latter. Not to mention bringing their own families into the equation. I think its easy to say death is preferable to ___ until you are actually faced with death. --- http://error1355.com/ce/Bananana.html <cite>Bananana posted [p:954082334] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>Trumble posted... </cite> <quote>Honestly, the more I think about this claim, the less comfortable I am with it. Sure, you can let someone out of prison, and if they've only been there a year or so it might be possible to make up for it - but if someone's been in prison even 5 years, let alone 20 or more, it'll basically be a completely different world when they come out - not to mention all the time they've lost that they could've been making something of their life. You really can't undo that either - you can argue all day about how it's theoretically undoable, or how "at least you can undo some of the damage", but ultimately - the person may still be alive, but their life has been fucked up pretty badly, and it's not likely to ever be fixed.</quote>This is true, of course, theres no fixing it, really, but if you asked the average falsely imprisoned life-sentencer if theyd rather die or be released Im sure they would almost entirely pick the latter. Not to mention bringing their own families into the equation. I think its easy to say death is preferable to ___ until you are actually faced with death. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 05/19/21 3:56:30 PM #4:	This assumes a prison system actually focuses/cares about rehabilitation, which the US really doesn't. I don't support the death penalty now because we do have a pretty messed up justice system and it's possible that you realistically could never get a justice system good enough to warrant the death penalty. If someone is actively hurting other prisoners' rehabilitation and several attempts have been tried to fix this to no avail, what do you do? One alternative would be solitary confinement, which is known to cause great mental anguish, which would be worse than the death penalty. In that case the death penalty should at least be considered. --- She used to look good to me, but now I find her <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:954082483] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>This assumes a prison system actually focuses/cares about rehabilitation, which the US really doesn't. I don't support the death penalty now because we do have a pretty messed up justice system and it's possible that you realistically could never get a justice system good enough to warrant the death penalty. If someone is actively hurting other prisoners' rehabilitation and several attempts have been tried to fix this to no avail, what do you do? One alternative would be solitary confinement, which is known to cause great mental anguish, which would be worse than the death penalty. In that case the death penalty should at least be considered. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 05/19/21 3:58:25 PM #5:	fear that the system will one day break and all the axe murderers will get out? --- Taarsidath-an halsaam. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:954082557] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>fear that the system will one day break and all the axe murderers will get out? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
coh 05/19/21 3:58:58 PM #6:	Its more emotional to be against it <cite>coh posted [p:954082578] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>Its more emotional to be against it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Another_Voice 05/19/21 4:00:55 PM #7:	coh posted... Its more emotional to be against it Came into this topic to post this. OP has it backwards <cite>Another_Voice posted [p:954082666] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>coh posted... </cite> <quote>Its more emotional to be against it</quote> Came into this topic to post this. OP has it backwards </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Karate_II 05/19/21 4:05:53 PM #8:	coh posted... Its more emotional to be against it This --- Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4 Mercenaries Mode,Resident Evil 6 Mercenaries Mode & Call of Duty Ghosts <cite>Mr_Karate_II posted [p:954082857] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>coh posted... </cite> <quote>Its more emotional to be against it</quote>This </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 05/19/21 4:12:47 PM #9:	coh posted... Its more emotional to be against it Wrong. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:954083072] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>coh posted... </cite> <quote>Its more emotional to be against it</quote> Wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PatrickMahomes 05/19/21 4:15:22 PM #11:	isn't "eye for an eye" literally in the bible? --- NFLB 2021 Summersim Roster (8-8 / #7 seed / NFCCG Participant): https://imgur.com/iSlti18 Me courtesy of BlueMage279: https://imgur.com/gWKaLHC <cite>PatrickMahomes posted [p:954083162] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>isn't "eye for an eye" literally in the bible? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/20/21 4:34:17 AM #12:	I've been listening for years and no, not one pro death penalty person has ever given an non emotional reason to support it. It's always "It feels good!" and "They deserve it!!!!!' Complete silence when you bring up the cost (more than life in prison) , the fact it always increases crime rates, decreases criminals turning themselves in, the FACT we have executed people now known to be innocent, the enormous racial disparity in who we kill. And the general immorality in killing people to begin with Not to mention the knock on effect it has to society to promote death and violence and vengeance in the minds of the populous. Pretty sure everyone on Jan 6th would be pro the death penalty. It warps the mind. And to this you just get utter silence followed by the occasional "SO YOU WANT CAPTSIN PEDOPHILE TO SHARE THE SAME AIR AS ME!!!! NO WAY!! CUT HIS EYES OUT!!!" And its tiresome You'll see a lot of correlation between it and people who support for profit private prisons that focus on punishment and turn a blind eye to rape. There is no pragmatic, practical benefit to executing citizens. None. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:954104153] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>I've been listening for years and no, not one pro death penalty person has ever given an non emotional reason to support it. It's always "It feels good!" and "They deserve it!!!!!' Complete silence when you bring up the cost (more than life in prison) , the fact it always increases crime rates, decreases criminals turning themselves in, the FACT we have executed people now known to be innocent, the enormous racial disparity in who we kill. And the general immorality in killing people to begin with Not to mention the knock on effect it has to society to promote death and violence and vengeance in the minds of the populous. Pretty sure everyone on Jan 6th would be pro the death penalty. It warps the mind. And to this you just get utter silence followed by the occasional "SO YOU WANT CAPTSIN PEDOPHILE TO SHARE THE SAME AIR AS ME!!!! NO WAY!! CUT HIS EYES OUT!!!" And its tiresome You'll see a lot of correlation between it and people who support for profit private prisons that focus on punishment and turn a blind eye to rape. There is no pragmatic, practical benefit to executing citizens. None. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Oatcakes 05/20/21 4:36:43 AM #13:	coh posted... Its more emotional to be against it Explain why with facts to back up why it's better to execute prisoners. --- F.C. Stokalona https://imgur.com/CJ0dPBq <cite>Oatcakes posted [p:954104170] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>coh posted... </cite> <quote>Its more emotional to be against it</quote> Explain why with facts to back up why it's better to execute prisoners. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DocDelicious 05/20/21 4:43:14 AM #14:	Oatcakes posted... Explain why with facts to back up why it's better to execute prisoners. Arguing the wrong point. The belief that every life (or any single life) is worth saving, comes from a place of emotion. It only takes indifference/apathy to support the death penalty. --- o7 Let strength be granted so the world might be mended. <cite>DocDelicious posted [p:954104258] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>Oatcakes posted... </cite> <quote>Explain why with facts to back up why it's better to execute prisoners.</quote> Arguing the wrong point. The belief that every life (or any single life) is worth saving, comes from a place of emotion. It only takes indifference/apathy to support the death penalty. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/20/21 4:52:46 AM #15:	^ In other words, no you cannot use facts to justify the death penalty Also I disagree that valuing life is an emotional argument, that seems like a radically silly position to take. But lets ignore that entirely , assume you're right and focus solely on cold pragmatism `Complete silence when you bring up the cost (more than life in prison) , the fact it always increases crime rates, decreases criminals turning themselves in, the FACT we have executed people now known to be innocent, the enormous racial disparity in who we kill.` `And the general immorality in killing people to begin with` `Not to mention the knock on effect it has to society to promote death and violence and vengeance in the minds of the populous.` As I said silence All you did was fail to answer his question and ignore all my points You'll notice that trend among people who support executions, it doesn't come from rationality --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:954104354] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>^ In other words, no you cannot use facts to justify the death penalty Also I disagree that valuing life is an emotional argument, that seems like a radically silly position to take. But lets ignore that entirely , assume you're right and focus solely on cold pragmatism Complete silence when you bring up the cost (more than life in prison) , the fact it always increases crime rates, decreases criminals turning themselves in, the FACT we have executed people now known to be innocent, the enormous racial disparity in who we kill. And the general immorality in killing people to begin with Not to mention the knock on effect it has to society to promote death and violence and vengeance in the minds of the populous. As I said silence All you did was fail to answer his question and ignore all my points You'll notice that trend among people who support executions, it doesn't come from rationality </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chillwave 05/20/21 4:54:00 AM #16:	UnfairRepresent posted... There is no pragmatic, practical benefit to executing citizens. None Wrong. Saves money, time, and removes unnecessary people from the society. Also will make others think twice before committing certain crimes especially if the penalty isn't injection and far worse such as public humiliation prior. --- Ride into the night... <cite>Chillwave posted [p:954104371] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>There is no pragmatic, practical benefit to executing citizens. None</quote> Wrong. Saves money, time, and removes unnecessary people from the society. Also will make others think twice before committing certain crimes especially if the penalty isn't injection and far worse such as public humiliation prior. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/20/21 4:56:33 AM #17:	Chillwave posted... Wrong. Saves money, time, and removes unnecessary people from the society. Also will make others think twice before committing certain crimes especially if the penalty isn't injection and far worse such as public humiliation prior. Except none of that is true It costs more than prison and increase crime rates while decreasing people turning themselves in and cooperation with investigations Hell the fact you argue for "public humiliation " and talk about "unnecessary people," is pure emotion and topping off that emotion with direct lies about facts, while ignoring all the negatives, well frankly it says it all. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:954104392] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>Chillwave posted... </cite> <quote>Wrong. Saves money, time, and removes unnecessary people from the society. Also will make others think twice before committing certain crimes especially if the penalty isn't injection and far worse such as public humiliation prior.</quote>Except none of that is true It costs more than prison and increase crime rates while decreasing people turning themselves in and cooperation with investigations Hell the fact you argue for "public humiliation " and talk about "unnecessary people," is pure emotion and topping off that emotion with direct lies about facts, while ignoring all the negatives, well frankly it says it all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Oatcakes 05/20/21 4:59:42 AM #18:	DocDelicious posted... Arguing the wrong point. The belief that every life (or any single life) is worth saving, comes from a place of emotion. It only takes indifference/apathy to support the death penalty. I argue against it because it does nothing to lower crime, is more expensive and the government not having the power to execute citizens is one more barrier to the government abusing its powers in an irreversible manner. --- F.C. Stokalona https://imgur.com/CJ0dPBq <cite>Oatcakes posted [p:954104428] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>DocDelicious posted... </cite> <quote>Arguing the wrong point. The belief that every life (or any single life) is worth saving, comes from a place of emotion. It only takes indifference/apathy to support the death penalty.</quote> I argue against it because it does nothing to lower crime, is more expensive and the government not having the power to execute citizens is one more barrier to the government abusing its powers in an irreversible manner. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Korey 05/20/21 5:01:04 AM #20:	Bananana posted... Its more expensive Wat? How/why is it more expensive to kill a man than it is to feed, kloth, and shelter him while providing health and wellness services? --- https://imgur.com/PpxZDof \| https://imgur.com/xMGLcGE https://imgur.com/nsBw6Sy \| https://imgtc.com/i/sBYBaew.png <cite>The_Korey posted [p:954104447] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>Bananana posted... </cite> <quote>Its more expensive</quote> Wat? How/why is it more expensive to kill a man than it is to feed, kloth, and shelter him while providing health and wellness services? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 05/20/21 5:08:49 AM #22:	The_Korey posted... Wat? How/why is it more expensive to kill a man than it is to feed, kloth, and shelter him while providing health and wellness services? All the facilities to feed, cloth and home prisoners are already in place, keeping a guy locked up isn't that expensive The trials, appeal, death row and the cost of the lethal injection and people to administer it (again, sometimes to innocent people I repeat and will be ignored again) costs considerably more Again it's not rational, people who crunch numbers and look at data aren't the ones who call for killing --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:954104536] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>The_Korey posted... </cite> <quote>Wat? How/why is it more expensive to kill a man than it is to feed, kloth, and shelter him while providing health and wellness services?</quote>All the facilities to feed, cloth and home prisoners are already in place, keeping a guy locked up isn't that expensive The trials, appeal, death row and the cost of the lethal injection and people to administer it (again, sometimes to innocent people I repeat and will be ignored again) costs considerably more Again it's not rational, people who crunch numbers and look at data aren't the ones who call for killing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZevLoveDOOM 05/20/21 5:17:46 AM #24:	keeping someone locked up in solitary confinment and subjecting them to forced labor sounds like a bigger punishment that a death sentence... <cite>ZevLoveDOOM posted [p:954104637] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>keeping someone locked up in solitary confinment and subjecting them to forced labor sounds like a bigger punishment that a death sentence... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/20/21 5:20:35 AM #25:	ZevLoveDOOM posted... keeping someone locked up in solitary confinment and subjecting them to forced labor sounds like a bigger punishment that a death sentence... I'm against forced labor too , strongly But this isn't about punishment,if you commit crimes so heinous you're no longer allowed to be part of society So you get locked up. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:954104662] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>ZevLoveDOOM posted... </cite> <quote>keeping someone locked up in solitary confinment and subjecting them to forced labor sounds like a bigger punishment that a death sentence...</quote>I'm against forced labor too , strongly But this isn't about punishment,if you commit crimes so heinous you're no longer allowed to be part of society So you get locked up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DocDelicious 05/20/21 5:22:03 AM #26:	UnfairRepresent posted... Stuff I'm not trying to argue for or against the death penalty, that's a waste of time. Only that the way you're viewing which side is more "emotional" is wrong. Supporting the death penalty only requires apathy, or the absence of emotion. Not caring is less emotionally charged than caring. --- o7 Let strength be granted so the world might be mended. <cite>DocDelicious posted [p:954104676] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Stuff </quote> I'm not trying to argue for or against the death penalty, that's a waste of time. Only that the way you're viewing which side is more "emotional" is wrong. Supporting the death penalty only requires apathy, or the absence of emotion. Not caring is less emotionally charged than caring. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/20/21 5:24:08 AM #27:	DocDelicious posted... Only that the way you're viewing which side is more "emotional" is wrong. Supporting the death penalty only requires apathy, or the absence of emotion. Not caring is less emotionally charged than caring. But that's not at all true for all the detailed reasons you ignore and run away from You can't just ignore all facts and then declare others wrong --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:954104689] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>DocDelicious posted... </cite> <quote>Only that the way you're viewing which side is more "emotional" is wrong. Supporting the death penalty only requires apathy, or the absence of emotion. Not caring is less emotionally charged than caring.</quote>But that's not at all true for all the detailed reasons you ignore and run away from You can't just ignore all facts and then declare others wrong </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Korey 05/20/21 5:24:33 AM #28:	Lethal injection and the fancy doctors to administer it being so expensive sounds like a scam. Well done, kapitalism. Anywho, innocents won't be a problem if you save the executions for the many doing their shit and getting kought on kamera. --- https://imgur.com/PpxZDof \| https://imgur.com/xMGLcGE https://imgur.com/nsBw6Sy \| https://imgtc.com/i/sBYBaew.png <cite>The_Korey posted [p:954104697] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>Lethal injection and the fancy doctors to administer it being so expensive sounds like a scam. Well done, kapitalism. Anywho, innocents won't be a problem if you save the executions for the many doing their shit and getting kought on kamera. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Dream87 05/20/21 5:29:44 AM #29:	People who think being pro-death penalty is somehow the less emotional position are too far up their own ass to see reason. --- Peace Love Dope <cite>Blue_Dream87 posted [p:954104758] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>People who think being pro-death penalty is somehow the less emotional position are too far up their own ass to see reason. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DocDelicious 05/20/21 5:31:26 AM #30:	UnfairRepresent posted... But that's not at all true for all the detailed reasons you ignore and run away from You can't just ignore all facts and then declare others wrong Right...this conversation obviously isn't going anywhere lol. You're still arguing an entirely different point. --- o7 Let strength be granted so the world might be mended. <cite>DocDelicious posted [p:954104773] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>But that's not at all true for all the detailed reasons you ignore and run away from You can't just ignore all facts and then declare others wrong</quote> Right...this conversation obviously isn't going anywhere lol. You're still arguing an entirely different point. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 05/20/21 5:42:20 AM #32:	DocDelicious posted... Right...this conversation obviously isn't going anywhere lol. You're still arguing an entirely different point. lol but I'm not I'm effectively demonstrating how you're incorrect and like a Trumper or flat earther you ignore it then declare everyone else wrong it's the same point. Arguing for the death penalty is emotional, the reasons to oppose it are pragmatic and practical You just don't listen to them , which is an emotional reaction [LFAQs-redacted-quote] Not only that "caught on camera " doesn't mean everything. Most cases are still disputable --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:954104862] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>DocDelicious posted... </cite> <quote>Right...this conversation obviously isn't going anywhere lol. You're still arguing an entirely different point.</quote>lol but I'm not I'm effectively demonstrating how you're incorrect and like a Trumper or flat earther you ignore it then declare everyone else wrong it's the same point. Arguing for the death penalty is emotional, the reasons to oppose it are pragmatic and practical You just don't listen to them , which is an emotional reaction <cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Not only that "caught on camera " doesn't mean everything. Most cases are still disputable </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Middle hope 05/20/21 5:58:07 AM #33:	People who undergo the death penalty have a 0% reoffender rate. --- https://imgur.com/iQep35u https://imgur.com/PmX8smn https://imgur.com/mwTy0iF https://imgur.com/FCER80e <cite>Middle hope posted [p:954105025] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>People who undergo the death penalty have a 0% reoffender rate. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Oatcakes 05/20/21 6:03:11 AM #34:	DocDelicious posted... I'm not trying to argue for or against the death penalty, that's a waste of time. Only that the way you're viewing which side is more "emotional" is wrong. Supporting the death penalty only requires apathy, or the absence of emotion. Not caring is less emotionally charged than caring. Hatred and rage are emotions m8 --- F.C. Stokalona https://imgur.com/CJ0dPBq <cite>Oatcakes posted [p:954105084] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>DocDelicious posted... </cite> <quote>I'm not trying to argue for or against the death penalty, that's a waste of time. Only that the way you're viewing which side is more "emotional" is wrong. Supporting the death penalty only requires apathy, or the absence of emotion. Not caring is less emotionally charged than caring.</quote> Hatred and rage are emotions m8 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuperVegitoFAN 05/20/21 6:09:49 AM #35:	AFAIK The US already have "Life without parole" as a sentencing (Something im not sure we have here, IE Parole is always a possible option though that doesnt mean everyone gets it) Life Without parole is still a bit too brutal imo but its cheaper, and far more humane than Executions. Theres only one real scenario i can imagine Executions being good for... but im not aware of any real life people who constantly break out of prison and then go on killing sprees ala the joker. --- "Im not saying thats how it should be" "Im Saying thats how it is" <cite>SuperVegitoFAN posted [p:954105145] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>AFAIK The US already have "Life without parole" as a sentencing (Something im not sure we have here, IE Parole is always a possible option though that doesnt mean everyone gets it) Life Without parole is still a bit too brutal imo but its cheaper, and far more humane than Executions. Theres only one real scenario i can imagine Executions being good for... but im not aware of any real life people who constantly break out of prison and then go on killing sprees ala the joker. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkProto05 05/20/21 6:10:26 AM #36:	Its only more expensive because of the way it is now. If you execute people soon after conviction it wouldnt cost nearly as much as a life sentence. --- Alpha Sapphire FC: 2552 5569 3267 <cite>DarkProto05 posted [p:954105152] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>Its only more expensive because of the way it is now. If you execute people soon after conviction it wouldnt cost nearly as much as a life sentence. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DocDelicious 05/20/21 6:11:40 AM #37:	Oatcakes posted... Hatred and rage are emotions m8 apathy /apTH/ noun lack of interest, enthusiasm, or concern. --- o7 Let strength be granted so the world might be mended. <cite>DocDelicious posted [p:954105161] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>Oatcakes posted... </cite> <quote>Hatred and rage are emotions m8</quote> apathy /apTH/ noun lack of interest, enthusiasm, or concern.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 05/20/21 6:13:45 AM #38:	DarkProto05 posted... Its only more expensive because of the way it is now. If you execute people soon after conviction it wouldnt cost nearly as much as a life sentence. Yeah, sure, let's remove even the chance for innocent people to have their convictions overturned. Disgusting. --- https://imgur.com/VeNBg https://imgur.com/gd5jC8q https://imgur.com/PKIy7 https://imgur.com/3p29JqP <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:954105176] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>DarkProto05 posted...</cite> <quote> Its only more expensive because of the way it is now. If you execute people soon after conviction it wouldnt cost nearly as much as a life sentence. </quote> Yeah, sure, let's remove even the chance for innocent people to have their convictions overturned. Disgusting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Oatcakes 05/20/21 6:16:31 AM #39:	DocDelicious posted... apathy /apTH/ noun 1. lack of interest, enthusiasm, or concern. Ok? That clearly isn't the only (non)emotion that goes into wanting people executed. --- F.C. Stokalona https://imgur.com/CJ0dPBq <cite>Oatcakes posted [p:954105208] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>DocDelicious posted... </cite> <quote>apathy /apTH/ noun 1. lack of interest, enthusiasm, or concern.</quote> Ok? That clearly isn't the only (non)emotion that goes into wanting people executed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkProto05 05/20/21 6:21:06 AM #40:	UnholyMudcrab posted... Yeah, sure, let's remove even the chance for innocent people to have their convictions overturned. Disgusting. Death penalty should be a special category. It should only be used on a 1st degree murderer if the evidence says hes 100% guilty (like these school shooters). Then we can eliminate appeals. --- Alpha Sapphire FC: 2552 5569 3267 <cite>DarkProto05 posted [p:954105259] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>UnholyMudcrab posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah, sure, let's remove even the chance for innocent people to have their convictions overturned. Disgusting.</quote>Death penalty should be a special category. It should only be used on a 1st degree murderer if the evidence says hes 100% guilty (like these school shooters). Then we can eliminate appeals. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/20/21 6:24:49 AM #41:	DarkProto05 posted... Death penalty should be a special category. It should only be used on a 1st degree murderer if the evidence says hes 100% guilty (like these school shooters). Then we can eliminate appeals. That's pretty insane Putting aside how rare that would make executions, there's rarely anything close to 100% guilty And you'd still end up killing innocent people due to natural human screw ups The response to defending the death penalty can't be "well lets lower our standards further" when we already know we are killing some innocent people And theres no benefit in killing them to begin with --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:954105301] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>DarkProto05 posted... </cite> <quote>Death penalty should be a special category. It should only be used on a 1st degree murderer if the evidence says hes 100% guilty (like these school shooters). Then we can eliminate appeals.</quote>That's pretty insane Putting aside how rare that would make executions, there's rarely anything close to 100% guilty And you'd still end up killing innocent people due to natural human screw ups The response to defending the death penalty can't be "well lets lower our standards further" when we already know we are killing some innocent people And theres no benefit in killing them to begin with </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rustykranz 05/20/21 6:33:18 AM #42:	Do people such as Ted Bundy, John Gacy deserve to not face capital punishment? --- Botw board and sequel board town drunk now and forever lol <cite>Rustykranz posted [p:954105393] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>Do people such as Ted Bundy, John Gacy deserve to not face capital punishment? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 05/20/21 6:35:44 AM #43:	Shorten the fucking appeal process and it's no longer more expensive --- Oda break tracker 2021- 2 (3) \| THE Ohio State: 7-1 \| Las Vegas Raiders: 8-8 <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:954105415] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>Shorten the fucking appeal process and it's no longer more expensive</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/20/21 6:39:24 AM #44:	Rustykranz posted... Do people such as Ted Bundy, John Gacy deserve to not face capital punishment? Case and point "They deserve it" is an emotional argument. There's no pragmatic benefit or thought behind it. And I notice you didn't mention Unabomber or Elliot Roger. Since they never became martyrs so you forgot they existed Killing Ted Bundy didn't undo any damage that he caused, it cost us money and contributed to a system that is bad for our culture Ignoring all those facts and saying "Well he deserved it!!" is silly --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:954105446] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>Rustykranz posted... </cite> <quote>Do people such as Ted Bundy, John Gacy deserve to not face capital punishment?</quote>Case and point "They deserve it" is an emotional argument. There's no pragmatic benefit or thought behind it. And I notice you didn't mention Unabomber or Elliot Roger. Since they never became martyrs so you forgot they existed Killing Ted Bundy didn't undo any damage that he caused, it cost us money and contributed to a system that is bad for our culture Ignoring all those facts and saying "Well he deserved it!!" is silly </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rustykranz 05/20/21 6:40:35 AM #45:	UnfairRepresent posted... Case and point "They deserve it" is an emotional argument. There's no pragmatic benefit or thought behind it. And I notice you didn't mention Unabomber or Elliot Roger. Since they never became martyrs so you forgot they existed Killing Ted Bundy didn't undo any damage that he caused, it cost us money and contributed to a system that is bad for our culture Ignoring all those facts and saying "Well he deserved it!!" is silly Ok --- Botw board and sequel board town drunk now and forever lol <cite>Rustykranz posted [p:954105454] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Case and point "They deserve it" is an emotional argument. There's no pragmatic benefit or thought behind it. And I notice you didn't mention Unabomber or Elliot Roger. Since they never became martyrs so you forgot they existed Killing Ted Bundy didn't undo any damage that he caused, it cost us money and contributed to a system that is bad for our culture Ignoring all those facts and saying "Well he deserved it!!" is silly</quote>Ok </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
02fran 05/20/21 6:40:58 AM #46:	It's actually less emotional than anti-death penalty... as in it's more sociopathic. It's in the same vein as eugenics. Something that's better for society on the surface but is morally (ie emotionally) appalling. For example, one could say even if person who was innocent of the crime is executed they wouldn't be much of a loss for society anyway since most of them tend to have a history of being criminals and not being contributing members of society. Meanwhile, it's one less mouth to feed. Of course, that's a very sociopathic and cold way of looking at it. <cite>02fran posted [p:954105458] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>It's actually less emotional than anti-death penalty... as in it's more sociopathic. It's in the same vein as eugenics. Something that's better for society on the surface but is morally (ie emotionally) appalling. For example, one could say even if person who was innocent of the crime is executed they wouldn't be much of a loss for society anyway since most of them tend to have a history of being criminals and not being contributing members of society. Meanwhile, it's one less mouth to feed. Of course, that's a very sociopathic and cold way of looking at it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PMarth2002 05/20/21 6:45:39 AM #47:	I don't care about revenge, personally I think prison is worse than death, which is why I don't oppose the death penalty on principle. support's not the right word though, because i'd prefer people who get life+ to have a choice between death penalty and life in prison. That'll never happen though and its one of those issues where i'm fine with going with whatever a majority of people want to do. --- You load sixteen tons, what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt <cite>PMarth2002 posted [p:954105506] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>I don't care about revenge, personally I think prison is worse than death, which is why I don't oppose the death penalty on principle. support's not the right word though, because i'd prefer people who get life+ to have a choice between death penalty and life in prison. That'll never happen though and its one of those issues where i'm fine with going with whatever a majority of people want to do. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 05/20/21 7:00:10 AM #48:	I don't really care if being against the death penalty is emotional or not. I truly believe no one should have capital punishment forced on then. I can make the pragmatic arguments for why it's bad, such as the expense. But I don't really care about the expense. Even if the death penalty was cheaper, it still shouldn't be used --- Pitter-patter, let's get at 'er <cite>emblem boy posted [p:954105648] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>I don't really care if being against the death penalty is emotional or not. I truly believe no one should have capital punishment forced on then. I can make the pragmatic arguments for why it's bad, such as the expense. But I don't really care about the expense. Even if the death penalty was cheaper, it still shouldn't be used</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkProto05 05/20/21 7:08:29 AM #50:	UnfairRepresent posted... That's pretty insane Putting aside how rare that would make executions, there's rarely anything close to 100% guilty And you'd still end up killing innocent people due to natural human screw ups The response to defending the death penalty can't be "well lets lower our standards further" when we already know we are killing some innocent people And theres no benefit in killing them to begin with You don't think these terrorists who massacre school campuses and people like the Boston Bomber are 100% guilty with all of the video evidence? And I'm fine with executions being rare. So long as only the truly guilty get executed. --- Alpha Sapphire FC: 2552 5569 3267 <cite>DarkProto05 posted [p:954105749] in Is there a... [t:79467960]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>That's pretty insane Putting aside how rare that would make executions, there's rarely anything close to 100% guilty And you'd still end up killing innocent people due to natural human screw ups The response to defending the death penalty can't be "well lets lower our standards further" when we already know we are killing some innocent people And theres no benefit in killing them to begin with</quote>You don't think these terrorists who massacre school campuses and people like the Boston Bomber are 100% guilty with all of the video evidence? And I'm fine with executions being rare. So long as only the truly guilty get executed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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