Current Events > Door Prizes for Vaccination Clinics?

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People have stopped getting vaccinated and my governor is telling the federal government to send less. It is like 35% are fully vaccinated and another 15% have 1 shot out of 2.

Would raffling off door prizes bring people in? Would raffling off the latest iphone be enough or would you have to raffle off a car?

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I think Ohio was encouraging gambling to their people, something like a chance at a million dollars to get the shot.

The more shit like this that continues the more I dont want it.

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It's really fucking stupid

This is why we need the vaccine passport thing

When people see that they can't participate in things because they will spread COVID, they will be more likely to get the vaccine

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all we need is a free donut a day

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AlCalavicci posted...

It's really fucking stupid

This is why we need the vaccine passport thing

When people see that they can't participate in things because they will spread COVID, they will be more likely to get the vaccine

There is no moral difference between forcing and bribing. Bribing is just easier.

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Dark_SilverX posted...

all we need is a free donut a day

small payment to get the shot would be an incentive imo.
no offense to krispy kreme. there's no store around here for the glazed donut.
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CobraGT posted...

There is no moral difference between forcing and bribing. Bribing is just easier.

its not though. It requires money and not everyone has the same price. And it means that the people who are vaccinated have to continue to wait longer for unvaccinated people who CAN get vaccinated but just dont want to, to hit their price for a bribe. And then they win for being buffoons.

a vaccine passport helps us get back to normal life by allowing those who did their parts by masking, social distancing, and vaccinating, to get back to some semblance of their old lives. Unvaccinated people are not forced to get a vaccine with a passport, but they may see that since its the only way they can participate in society recreationally again, they would choose to participate by getting vaccinated. Those that still refuse can stay in their own bubble

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forcing people to show a vaccine passport to participate in society is the stupidest and contra-constitution idea ive heard in a long time lol

get it if you want it, dont if you dont, simple as that. itll confer benefits even if youre interacting with people who dont have it or who got


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pure_temper posted...

forcing people to show a vaccine passport to participate in society is the stupidest and contra-constitution idea ive heard in a long time lol

get it if you want it, dont if you dont, simple as that. itll confer benefits even if youre interacting with people who dont have it or who got

You had to have your MMR vaccinations to attend public school and to go to university. Why is this any different?

I suppose we've already been shitting on the constitution!

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AlCalavicci posted...

its not though. It requires money and not everyone has the same price. And it means that the people who are vaccinated have to continue to wait longer for unvaccinated people who CAN get vaccinated but just dont want to, to hit their price for a bribe. And then they win for being buffoons.

a vaccine passport helps us get back to normal life by allowing those who did their parts by masking, social distancing, and vaccinating, to get back to some semblance of their old lives. Unvaccinated people are not forced to get a vaccine with a passport, but they may see that since its the only way they can participate in society recreationally again, they would choose to participate by getting vaccinated. Those that still refuse can stay in their own bubble

I will explain again. It is simple enough for me to understand so it is simple enough for you to understand.

Countries with socialized medicine have the medical data in a database from birth. If you live in Canada or France or Italy or ... your shots are in the database with your name on them. You have an account which lets you display your vaccination. So you use an app like AMAZON to link to your account and voila.

We live in the US !!!!! We do not have socialized medicine. It will cost in the order of the FEMA program to deliver the vaccine to deliver the passports.

People cannot easily extrude a phony arm to get vaccinated. They can extrude phony id.

Say for next Tuesday it is announced that one of the FEMA clinics will award a car within 2 hours of opening? Will this be a draw?

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COVxy posted...

You had to have your MMR vaccinations to attend public school and to go to university. Why is this any different?

I suppose we've already been shitting on the constitution!

I went to university and didn't have to get vaccinated. I think only some schools do that and only if you dorm on campus lol.

I'm not in support of mandating vaccination passports to be scanned in order to enter venues/businesses, and anyone who wants this has got to be trolling or just extremely naive. Like I'll gladly have conversations with you about why I think this, but honestly it's not rocket science. You see nothing wrong with that?

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CobraGT posted...

There is no moral difference between forcing and bribing. Bribing is just easier.

And yet you have geniuses like this

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

The more shit like this that continues the more I dont want it.

If youre vaccinated, you got nothing to worry about since the chances of you catching or spreading the virus are so low. Thats coming from the CDC, the medical experts.

no need for a vaccination passport because it dont matter if youre vaccinated you are safe.

Dark_SilverX posted...

all we need is a free donut a day

Krispy Kreme is doing this until Dec. 31 with proof of vaccination. I'm not a donut guy but still picked up 4 in two months.

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Bleuets posted...

If youre vaccinated, you got nothing to worry about since the chances of you catching or spreading the virus are so low. Thats coming from the CDC, the medical experts.

no need for a vaccination passport because it dont matter if youre vaccinated you are safe.

This does nothing to address variants - which will need booster shots - and the immunocompromised. This has been explained many times before.

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Bleuets posted...

If youre vaccinated, you got nothing to worry about since the chances of you catching or spreading the virus are so low. Thats coming from the CDC, the medical experts.

no need for a vaccination passport because it dont matter if youre vaccinated you are safe.

yeah that's why i think people are either trolling about the passports or they're naive

or in case of certain accounts we all know about they just peddle it for reasons like these:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-backed-facebook-accounts-organized-events-on-all-sides-of-polarizing-issues-1509355801

They want to polarize the USA along these lines and racial lines and etc, to stoke enough conflict to try to stop us from within since China, Russia, India, basically the entire rest of the world, cannot replace the USA otherwise no matter what they do. They've failed to do that economically, they failed in war, and they will never really succeed at either of these approaches anymore. And they know it.

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pure_temper posted...

I went to university and didn't have to get vaccinated. I think only some schools do that and only if you dorm on campus lol.

I'm not in support of mandating vaccination passports to be scanned in order to enter venues/businesses, and anyone who wants this has got to be trolling or just extremely naive. Like I'll gladly have conversations with you about why I think this, but honestly it's not rocket science. You see nothing wrong with that?

Either way, there are currently restrictions placed on societal participation on the basis of vaccination record. It's not some sort of unchartered territory of morality.

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COVxy posted...

Either way, there are currently restrictions placed on societal participation on the basis of vaccination record. It's not some sort of unchartered territory of morality.

no that's bullshit. it's largely optional for dorming on campus, i went to college and didn't need it at all. the only real way you're right is if you're working in a nursing home or ICU/NICU (i've worked in a NICU before and had to get shots for that), but that has nothing to do with participating in society and is a specific career path that is a choice.

you're on the wrong side of history if you're going to through your lot in with the fools clamoring for people needing to scan their shit in order to enter a place or etc

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pure_temper posted...

no that's bullshit. it's largely optional for dorming on campus, i went to college and didn't need it at all. the only real way you're right is if you're working in a nursing home or ICU/NICU (i've worked in a NICU before and had to get shots for that), but that has nothing to do with participating in society and is a specific career path that is a choice.

you're on the wrong side of history if you're going to through your lot in with the fools clamoring for people needing to scan their shit in order to enter a place or etc

Public schooling, again, has it as a requirement across the vast majority of states.

Many jobs require vaccination records to sign on.

This is not new.

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CobraGT posted...

There is no moral difference between forcing and bribing. Bribing is just easier.

There is definitely a difference. A bribe can be turned down.

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AlCalavicci posted...

It's really fucking stupid

This is why we need the vaccine passport thing

When people see that they can't participate in things because they will spread COVID, they will be more likely to get the vaccine

Just sounds like your mad because you got your shots too early and you are missing out on the giveaway prizes that we can get if we get shots now.

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pure_temper posted...

you're on the wrong side of history if you're going to through your lot in with the fools clamoring for people needing to scan their shit in order to enter a place or etc

No. I think that's you. Polls shows a majority of Americans and the Industrialized world disagree.

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I got a lollipop :)

Cant wait for my second dose

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Get the vax, get a coupon for a free Popeyes chicken sandwich

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CobraGT posted...

People have stopped getting vaccinated and my governor is telling the federal government to send less. It is like 35% are fully vaccinated and another 15% have 1 shot out of 2.

Would raffling off door prizes bring people in? Would raffling off the latest iphone be enough or would you have to raffle off a car?

You could probably just offer everyone a $10 gift card at Amazon and we'd be at 100% in 2 months. I'm sure $10 is nothing compared to what the government is paying for the vaccine.

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RaulJenkins posted...

I got a lollipop :)

Cant wait for my second dose

Touch posted...

Get the vax, get a coupon for a free Popeyes chicken sandwich

There's a lot of freebies out there. Google freebies for the vaccinated or something. Everything from donuts, to beer, to weed cannabis.

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COVxy posted...

Public schooling, again, has it as a requirement across the vast majority of states.

Many jobs require vaccination records to sign on.

This is not new.

vast majority of states? Many jobs? Do you have actual numbers or just weasel words? Never seen a job that requires vaccination records except in specific settings like a NICU or nursing home lol.

I still dont support the system youre interested in building lol

brestugo posted...

No. I think that's you. Polls shows a majority of Americans and the Industrialized world disagree.

polls? Lol is that how you find your way? With polls? We all saw how those can be unreliable, in 2016. Theyre not a science or a real barometer for measuring consensus. Especially not on sensitive matters where people say whatever they think people want to hear rather than what they really think.


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pure_temper posted...

vast majority of states? Many jobs? Do you have actual numbers or just weasel words? Never seen a job that requires vaccination records except in specific settings like a NICU or nursing home lol.

I still dont support the system youre interested in building

https://vaccines.procon.org/state-by-state-vaccinations-required-for-public-school-kindergarten/

As of July 18, 2018, all 50 states and DC require vaccinations for diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis; polio; measles and rubella (49 states and DC also require mumps vaccination); and the varicella (chickenpox) vaccination. 43 states and DC require hepatitis B vaccination (Alabama, Illinois, Maine, Montana, Rhode Island, South Dakota and Texas do not) to enter kindergarten. Some states require Hib, PCV, and Hep A vaccines to enter kindergarten. As of Aug. 19, 2020, Massachusetts is the first and only state to require the flu vaccine. Many states require more vaccines as the children age, for example West Virginia requires the meningitis vaccine at the CDC-recommended age (11-12 years old).

Just kidding, i was wrong, it was all 50 states.

I've needed vaccinations and TB records for every laboratory job I've had.

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pure_temper posted...

We all saw how those can be unreliable, in 2016.

Also, the polls were pretty accurate in 2016.

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COVxy posted...

https://vaccines.procon.org/state-by-state-vaccinations-required-for-public-school-kindergarten/

Just kidding, i was wrong, it was all 50 states.

I've needed vaccinations and TB records for every laboratory job I've had.

oh i see what you did. first we were talking about colleges, then you made it about public education after we talked about dorming, and now you gave me a link about kindergarten. i already knew that about those, but we were talking about college and dorming weren't we. what is the situation with those?

i still don't support your dream of requiring vax passports being scanned to enter venues or to hold a job lol by the way lol, unless it's literally an existing rule at a place like a nursing home or NICU because obviously that makes sense.

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COVxy posted...

Also, the polls were pretty accurate in 2016.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/31/upshot/a-2016-review-why-key-state-polls-were-wrong-about-trump.html

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/why-2016-election-polls-missed-their-mark/

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/28/928556186/whats-changed-since-polls-were-wrong-about-2016s-presidential-election

lol

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COVxy posted...

You had to have your MMR vaccinations to attend public school and to go to university. Why is this any different?

My first reply to you. No goal posts were moved.

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COVxy posted...

My first reply to you. No goal posts were moved.

That's fair, but you did see that my response was specifically about college/dorming/university, right? That's what I'm most interested in. Established rules for kindergarten are okay, I went to public school and have no problem with that for myself. I'm also okay with ethical objections as well, those are legitimate and I have nothing against someone who goes that route.

But note that: i still don't support your dream of requiring vax passports being scanned to enter venues or to hold a job lol by the way lol, unless it's literally an existing rule at a place like a nursing home or NICU because obviously that makes sense.

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And there is a massive difference, those platforms have existed for a lot longer and we have much more long-term data on them than we do the current vaccinations on covid. Considering the blood clot scare that prompted all top countries (top in terms of medical quality) to temporarily suspend AstraZeneca while investigations were done, ehhhh it's better to be safe if people wish to wait and see what happens with it. Then there was the J&J contamination since they were sharing a plant with AstraZeneca. Etc.

That's why I wouldn't mandate it for entry to venues or a job. The data does not support such new systems of surveillance/oppression as being necessary, and the risks are too great in general. We must be more cautious about giving the State this kind of power. And with the benefits conferred by the existing vax, people can get it w/o worrying what those around them do. We already see the existing vaccination rate making an impact, so what purpose do these new proposed systems have except to give more power to statists?

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COVxy posted...

Also, the polls were pretty accurate in 2016.

Beat me to it.

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pure_temper posted...

That's why I wouldn't mandate it for entry to venues or a job.

The private sector is already doing it.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/14/business/delta-vaccine-mandatory-new-employees/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/29/most-us-companies-will-require-proof-of-covid-vaccination-from-employees-survey.html

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And generally you like the private sector and its ways and encourage them? Or is it just convenient for you now to point to it now, when it suits a narrative you wish to front?

Such surveys are meaningless, and if some companies try to enforce this then they will lose business and talent will leave. These companies will be disrupted by fresh companies or other companies that aren't trying to nanny their employees.

But I'll go ahead and give you a tag as "private sector" so that I know in future conversations that you're really big on letting the employer decide what the employees should do.

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COVxy posted...

My first reply to you. No goal posts were moved.

Thats not entirely correct, though. The vast majority of states allow for religious or philosophical exemptions, which are very easy to get.

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JScriv posted...

Thats not entirely correct, though. The vast majority of states allow for religious or philosophical exemptions, which are very easy to get.

Yeah and I mentioned that but he ignored it too lol. Idk, sometimes I think @COVxy is brilliant, sometimes I wonder what the fuck he's on about

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pure_temper posted...

and if some companies try to enforce this then they will lose business and talent will leave. These companies will be disrupted by fresh companies or other companies that aren't trying to nanny their employees.

Maybe for something like McDonald's but for a high skill & high risk job like Delta the vast majority of employees want mandatory vaccinations and are more likely to leave airlines that don't have that policy in favor of ones that do.

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pure_temper posted...

And generally you like the private sector and its ways and encourage them? Or is it just convenient for you now to point to it now, when it suits a narrative you wish to front?

Such surveys are meaningless, and if some companies try to enforce this then they will lose business and talent will leave. These companies will be disrupted by fresh companies or other companies that aren't trying to nanny their employees.

But I'll go ahead and give you a tag as "private sector" so that I know in future conversations that you're really big on letting the employer decide what the employees should do.

It's actually the "invisible hand of government. Ever hear of OSHA? That is why the private sector is making the first move. The private sector is required by the government to ensure a safe environment for their employees and the public.

It's why customers can't walk just anywhere at a garage.
It's why employees can be required to wash hands and get shots.
It's why employers can require shirts, shoes, and masks.

And liability insurance is a bitch.

The government can require lots of things for COVID but has chosen in the U.S. to let the private sector do as much as possible.


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Tyranthraxus posted...

Maybe for something like McDonald's but for a high skill & high risk job like Delta the vast majority of employees want mandatory vaccinations and are more likely to leave airlines that don't have that policy in favor of ones that do.

Maybe, maybe not. Hard to say. I know people from both points of view. That's why it should just be a choice and corporations should not have a hand in enforcing it lol. I'm pretty sure the best people will end up leaving nanny corporations, because in general when you're working on something that needs to be solved or that is a difficult problem, people just pay you to work on it and they trust you to be an adult in general.

brestugo posted...

It's actually the "invisible hand of government. Ever hear of OSHA? That is why the private sector is making the first move. The private sector is required by the government to ensure a safe environment for their employees and the public.

It's why customers can't walk just anywhere at a garage.
It's why employees can be required to wash hands and get shots.
It's why employers can require shirts, shoes, and masks.

And liability insurance is a bitch.

The government can require lots of things for COVID but has chosen in the U.S. to let the private sector do as much as possible.

I'm a fan of limiting government reach and using government power to beef up HIPAA laws before it's too late and before corporations know all of your fucking problems and make hiring decisions based on them. If you think that's not coming with a system like the one you guys are advocating for, you're naive and should not be running your mouth on this subject imo.

The vaccine is shown to make covid asymptomatic in the unlikely event you'll get it. So get the vaccine if you want it and trust it, and if you have a personal/ethical obligation then that is on you. Why the fuck are we building a system where we want corporations to police this? And certainly no government should have that kind of power beyond making recommendations and promotional campaigns.

Like, if we were faced with airborne Ebola strains like the ones where it's a 90% fatality rate, then yeah, obviously we have to move fast because otherwise we're all fucked. But that's not happening with COVID and the precedent is not worth the risks.

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JScriv posted...

Thats not entirely correct, though. The vast majority of states allow for religious or philosophical exemptions, which are very easy to get.

COVID is listed by the EEOC as a "direct threat" and the religious exemption is strictly narrowed.

https://www.prinz-lawfirm.com/our-blog/2020/december/the-covid-19-vaccine-is-here-a-look-at-religious/

Requiring that employees get a vaccine will likely be considered reasonable.

The article also notes a case of a man refusing a flu shot on philosophical grounds. He was legally terminated.

For ADA exemptions, much more than a doctors note is required to avoid lawful termination. You must be part of a protected class like the immunocompromised. States have been cracking down on this for years due to the anti-vaxxers causing outbreaks of measles, mumps and rubella.

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pure_temper posted...

Like, if we were faced with airborne Ebola strains like the ones where it's a 90% fatality rate, then yeah, obviously we have to move fast because otherwise we're all fucked. But that's not happening with COVID and the precedent is not worth the risks.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. What if we find out that COVID causes lung cancer 15 years later and suddenly people are now dying by the millions?

Simply put the faster COVID-19 goes extinct the better it is for the whole world regardless of the immediate risks.

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pure_temper posted...

I'm a fan of limiting government reach and using government power to beef up HIPAA laws before it's too late and before corporations know all of your fucking problems and make hiring decisions based on them. If you think that's not coming with a system like the one you guys are advocating for, you're naive and should not be running your mouth on this subject imo.

Ever hear of a restaurant having an e coli outbreak? If they reopen the lawsuits and damages are out the wazoo. The first question by OSHA is "what did you do to protect your employees and the public?" The second is "why didn't you follow the established and known procedures to prevent this?"

Now imagine a company hosting a COVID superspreader and the lawsuits and damages afterwards. Unless they can answer those 2 questions above satisfactorily in court, it's their ass.

Still want to know why the private sector is moving first?

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I'm not sure why you're sharing some law firm's commentary, brestugo, except to front a narrative lol.

"Although the EEOC has not yet released guidance on mandating a COVID-19 vaccine in the workplace"

That's all that had to be said. I don't expect it to be mandated in the workplace. Some employers may try but only because those are the shitty type of nanny employers nobody wants to work at anyway, the type that are liable to want that control even if the CDC and gov in general ends up saying "we won't mandate it at this time" lol

Tyranthraxus posted...

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. What if we find out that COVID causes lung cancer 15 years later and suddenly people are now dying by the millions?

Simply put the faster COVID-19 goes extinct the better it is for the whole world regardless of the immediate risks.

That's a risk that has to be weighed with the amount of information we have available right now. You could make the same argument about the 15-year risks of a newer platform that, while amazing and a miracle that we pulled it off so quick, could just as easily have unknowns that we'll find out about in the future.

COVID in America is already on its way out last I checked, because of the vaccination rate and just general herd immunity forming. Even in states where they relaxed restrictions a long time ago. Look at Texas' numbers for example lol. Still downward.

To suggest that it's such a risky illness that we need to rush now into giving corporations and government this kind of precedent and power is not wise. It's not. If you're in a risk category, do what is best for you. Do what is best for you no matter what, obviously. But that includes people not choosing to take it if they don't want to, and I'm 100% okay with that. Like I keep saying, the vaccine confers significant benefits from the effects of covid if you still end up getting it, so the vaccinated have literally nothing to fear or gain by clamoring for more corporate policing of their lives.

If this were to happen, we'd literally be building the infrastructure for telling corporations and government everything wrong with us and then hoping they build the "safe environment for all employees" or some corporate bullshit. You really want that? You don't think there's any risks of that? Do you trust corporations and States that much? Over covid?

If it was airborne Ebola and we had no choice but to risk it all because of the existential threat, fine. But this is not an existential threat.

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brestugo posted...

Ever hear of a restaurant having an e coli outbreak? If they reopen the lawsuits and damages are out the wazoo. The first question by OSHA is "what did you do to protect your employees and the public?" The second is "why didn't you follow the established and known procedures to prevent this?"

Now imagine a company hosting a COVID superspreader and the lawsuits and damages afterwards. Unless they can answer those 2 questions above satisfactorily in court, it's their ass.

Still want to know why the private sector is moving first?

COVID is turning into another cold. Because of herd immunity emerging and the vaccination or antibodies basically making new infections asymptomatic as far as I've read, it's not at all the type of scenario you're describing. The transmissibility of it is not at all like food contamination. You wipe down surfaces and basically the area is inhabitable or usable without risk. We know this now. We also know that the vaccinated have basically nothing to fear from covid anymore, no matter who they interact with, since the research I've read is that the vaccinations all basically make covid asymptomatic if you do get it.

So you're trying really hard to make it seem like this big existential threat or something that requires the heavy nanny hand of the State or Corporate power, and it's not. Are you a statist or something?

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pure_temper posted...
COVID is turning into another cold.

Stopped right there. Credibility gone.

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