Current Events > is there hoenstly ANY difference of a gay couple raising a kid compared to a str

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AlphaCuck posted...

no i'm right

No you're not LOL

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Yes

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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Yes

well what is it?

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pinky0926 posted...

It means that for a gay couple to have a child they have to jump through a hundred hoops to get there, and be totally prepared and plan for the entire thing.

A straight couple on the other hand can just make the mistake of not using contraception.

So this isn't to say that gay couple are inherently better. It's just that by necessity a gay couple that's adopting a child have "passed their driving test", so to speak.

no matter what people think raising a child is like beforehand, it's never the same as when they're actually raising the child.

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Jesus christ, talk about a bad faith topic.

Mods, close this shit.

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The same thing as for gay couples apply to hetero couples that cant have kids on their own when they adopt. Point was that in a heteo relationship where both are able to make kids there are accidental pregnancies and it doesnt always go well for the children, especially when they are unwanted but abortion is illegal etc.


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pinky0926 posted...

Jesus christ, talk about a bad faith topic.

Mods, close this shit.

Shut your whiny ass up

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pinky0926 posted...

It means that for a gay couple to have a child they have to jump through a hundred hoops to get there, and be totally prepared and plan for the entire thing.

A straight couple on the other hand can just make the mistake of not using contraception.

So this isn't to say that gay couple are inherently better. It's just that by necessity a gay couple that's adopting a child have "passed their driving test", so to speak.

stupidly reductive

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pinky0926 posted...

Jesus christ, talk about a bad faith topic.

Mods, close this shit.

How is it a bad faith topic?

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Seeing my gay friends raise their adopted kids, not really.

The female couples did say they had a lot of help from a male friend when their son hit puberty. Boys just be testosterone filled bags of dumb until they're 32

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Ive met kids who completely hate their relationship with their parents for being too locked in and kids who hate their parents for being so open

A kids ability to rebel against their parents because they no longer want to acknowledge who they are to their life is a very powerful thing - they will acknowledge a parents race and prevalent things about them to use against them lol

Its also seems much harder to adhere to rules or standards when it comes from archaic text or cultural rules not formed in this country

I think the kid who was raised by a gay couple will be much more in tune with their sexuality at least, or have that be a kind of theme because there could be emphasis focused on the way they use language to describe someone or understand misuse of pronouns can hurt others. I think they will have a more clear image of what things should mean according to standard and accepted definitions

While a kid raised by a straight family may be more in tune with how their actions can be manipulated to create an image of their self since they dont understand themselves in those ways yet

Kids are smart creatures tbh


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God_Of_Entirety posted...

no matter what people think raising a child is like beforehand, it's never the same as when they're actually raising the child.

That's a nice non-statement. You could look up some studies to get an idea about what is actually known about gay parents, if you were actually interested in learning about this topic.

https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/ what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with -gay-or-lesbian-parents/

(remove the spaces)

Better question for you. What is the impact of a child growing up in an orphanage and temporary foster homes? Is this better than having two gay parents, of which the research suggests there is no problem?

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God_Of_Entirety posted...

well what is it?

Ha, good try.

Kakapo posted...

God forbid a kid is actually wanted and actively sought after by both parents.

That's hilarious though. Like, rolling on the floor laughing. Wild to me how many people are sheltered on here.

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AlphaCuck posted...

stupidly reductive

You aren't making any points at all in this topic, so don't give me "stupidly reductive", lmao

Mr_Karate_II posted...

How is it a bad faith topic?

OP isn't here to learn or ask questions, he just wants to stir shit.

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This topic is pretty damn cis-centric.

I know trans girls who got their cis wife or girlfriend pregnant. And I know trans men who weren't on hrt who got pregnant by their male partner. Trans woman and cis woman is a gay couple. As is trans man and cis man.

So yeah. Not always planned for, either.

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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Ha, good try.

That's a nice non-statement.
pinky0926 posted...

OP isn't here to learn or ask questions, he just wants to stir shit.

so it's every topic ever posted on Gamefaqs.

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gunplagirl posted...

I know trans girls who got their cis wife or girlfriend pregnant. And I know trans men who weren't on hrt who got pregnant by their male partner. Trans woman and cis woman is a gay couple. As is trans man and cis man.

huh?

pinky0926 posted...

Better question for you. What is the impact of a child growing up in an orphanage and temporary foster homes? Is this better than having two gay parents, of which the research suggests there is no problem?

so you need to stoop to using temporary foster homes to prove your point... got it...

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Couldnt be any worse than single moms that have kids with one night stands and then knowingly flip that into 18 years of easy food stamps/preferential treatment in government assistance programs.

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pinky0926 posted...

You aren't making any points at all in this topic, so don't give me "stupidly reductive", lmao

saying that gays are better prepared to be parents because straight people can easily conceive (which is often not the case) is idiotic. sorry

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masticatingman posted...

That's literally a myth and the entire concept is just misogynist AND classist bullshit wrapped up with a pretty ribbon.

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God_Of_Entirety posted...

huh?

so you need to stoop to using temporary foster homes to prove your point... got it...

Where do you think gay parents adopt from?

if your point is to protect the development of children or something like that, provide a suitable alternative. Or show good evidence that suggests that having gay parents is worse than the alternatives.Or even just that it's bad at all.


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AlphaCuck posted...

saying that gays are better prepared to be parents because straight people can easily conceive (which is often not the case) is idiotic. sorry

Saying that parents who adopt are better prepared than parents who accidentally conceive is literally a scientifically backed fact. Accidental conception is a problem that (almost) unilaterally affects straight families.

The other point you glossed over is that gays can't just walk into the orphanage and say "i'll have that one, please". The steps you have to go through to be considered suitable as a foster parent generally vets out the worst.

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pinky0926 posted...

Saying that parents who adopt are better prepared than parents who accidentally conceive is literally a scientifically backed fact. Accidental conception is a problem that (almost) unilaterally affects straight families.

The other point you glossed over is that gays can't just walk into the orphanage and say "i'll have that one, please". The steps you have to go through to be considered suitable as a foster parent generally vets out the worst.

why are you conflating adoption/conception with gay/straight

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JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

A trans person can have a child with a cis person. But since they are also the same gender they are a part of a gay coupling.

interesting

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AlphaCuck posted...

why are you conflating adoption/conception with gay/straight

I'm not at all.

Straight people can have children through natural conception, with minimal deliberation, through artificial insemination or adoption.

Straight people that adopt are also going to be better prepared (statistically) than straight people who conceive naturally, by necessity.

The point is that gay families have less avenues to having children. The natural conception group does not exist in this population. It can't happen accidentally. So with gay families you rule out more of the "problem group" of people (the ones who accidentally get pregnant) who can have children but definitely shouldn't.

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pinky0926 posted...

I'm not at all.

Straight people can have children through natural conception, with minimal deliberation, through artificial insemination or adoption.

Straight people that adopt are also going to be better prepared (statistically) than straight people who conceive naturally, by necessity.

The point is that gay families have less avenues to having children. The natural conception group does not exist in this population. It can't happen accidentally. So with gay families you rule out more of the "problem group" of people (the ones who accidentally get pregnant) who can have children but definitely shouldn't.

how does this address the topic title?

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God_Of_Entirety posted...

how does this address the topic title?

You are asking me why the answer to that guy's question is not the answer to your question

big brain energy

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God_Of_Entirety posted...

how does this address the topic title?

it's an express lane to virtue signaling about how actually gays are better parents if you think about it. he was doing a lot more erasure up to this point

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pegusus123456 posted...

It's not. In fact, it makes more sense than the alternative. As already mentioned, gay couples can't accidentally have kids, so any kid they do have is one they're going to have to seek out.

Not necessarily, for example my girlfriend in high school was raised by two dads but was birthed beforehand by one of her dads and her mother, before her dad fully realized he was gay. (Your point is sound overall, it just brought back this anecdotal memory lol.)

Adoption and stuff like in vitro also cost a good chunk of money. So a lot of gay couples with kids are financially well-off relative to the bulk of straight couples.

Yup this guy I dated actually paid one of his friends to have his kid and help raise the kid for 18 years. He was a much older guy so this was his solution before in vitro was as accessible and there was more stigma around gay people adopting, particularly single ones.

pinky0926 posted...

Saying that parents who adopt are better prepared than parents who accidentally conceive is literally a scientifically backed fact. Accidental conception is a problem that (almost) unilaterally affects straight families.

I was at the beer garden talking to this dad and his two adopted kids. My older sister has always jokingly called me an oops baby because my parents had me in their 40s and werent expecting to get pregnant. So I made the joke to them that hey, unlike me youll always know for sure that your parents definitely wanted you, lol.

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FF_Redux posted...

A gay couple usually wants the child and planned for it

I agreed with this at first glance, but it's kind of a shitty generalization to make


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AlphaCuck posted...

it's an express lane to virtue signaling about how actually gays are better parents if you think about it. he was doing a lot more erasure up to this point

Here's the problem. my argument - that gays might be better parents (or at least, equally capable parents) - is a point I established by producing a cross sectional study of a further 80 research papers.

What is your argument, summed up? A quote from the pope?

It's pretty funny to talk about virtue signaling or "erasure" when your entire position is an appeal to emotions. I gave you scientific articles bro.

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Want to have a kid together TC?

Lyrica posted...

Want to have a kid together TC?

are you a cis female?

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Gays are awesome

from the beginning i said they are both good parents. what i've mostly been posting about in here is the double standard on this site about who it's ok to make negative generalizations about and the dumb contortions yall make to do it

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God_Of_Entirety posted...

are you a cis female?

Nope, but the good thing is that research shows that our kid would be less likely to be screwed up =)

Lyrica posted...

Nope, but the good thing is that research shows that our kid would be less likely to be screwed up =)

what about how it would affect me?

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AlphaCuck posted...

saying that gays are better prepared to be parents because straight people can easily conceive (which is often not the case) is idiotic. sorry

No, it's a fact.

God_Of_Entirety posted...

what about how it would affect me?

Oh, you'd approve.

AlphaCuck posted...

from the beginning i said they are both good parents. what i've mostly been posting about in here is the double standard on this site about who it's ok to make negative generalizations about and the dumb contortions yall make to do it

The issue people seem to have with gay parents as a concept is a perception that it is fundamentally against nature or against some kind of conservative moral sancitity. It's often religiously or phobia motivated.

This isn't at all like criticising straight people for neglecting their children. There is no double standard between these two things.

To clarify, it's certainly possible that gay people can be smackheads, be abusive, be neglectful. I don't think anyone is arguing that all gay people are wonderful and all straight people are assholes.

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Lyrica posted...

Oh, you'd approve.

are there advantages of non cis pregnancy over cis pregnancy?

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shockthemonkey posted...

Youve been melting down about gay people for weeks after you got modded for saying tattoos make men look gay

no i haven't but go off

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pinky0926 posted...

This isn't at all like criticising straight people for neglecting their children. There is no double standard between these two things.

yes it is. most straight people don't neglect their kids but you came in here using it as a reason why they're not as good

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Are there technically any differences? Yes. Are there any that actually matter when it comes to raising a child well? No.

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AlphaCuck posted...

yes it is. most straight people don't neglect their kids but you came in here using it as a reason why they're not as good

I suggested that looking at research, you can reasonably conclude that straight people (as a group) are more likely to be bad parents, since once of the primary motivators for bad parenting (unwanted conception) is removed.

Factor X causes bad parenting.
Group A has a higher proportion of Factor X.
Group B has a much lower proportion of Factor X.
In all other respects, these groups are equal.
Which group has a higher hypothetical likelihood for bad parenting?

You didn't need to take it personally. I'm not saying straight people suck.

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if i posted a link to science about how straight couples are more likely to be better parents it would get modded

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AlphaCuck posted...

if i posted a link to science about how straight couples are more likely to be better parents it would get modded

If you posted a scientific paper from a proper journal that had good methodology that would be worth talking about. You'd have to be honest in your assessment though, and weigh it up against the rest of the research. That's why I gave you an abstract of 80 papers instead of just the one I liked the most.

If on the other hand you're gonna post an op-ed from a conservative think tank or tucker carlson-esque hit piece then yeah, that would probably get modded.

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