Current Events > So I'm just now finding out about the Vinny Vinesauce situation

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That's bizarre, but it does seem like the accusations are fake. I dunno. Weird.

ok but who is that?

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monkmith posted...

ok but who is that?

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Is he a salesman?

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My take on it is that I'm disappointed if he's slept with fans, which I do believe he's done, but I think the document was stitched together in a way to make him look as bad as possible. There's an audio recording where the person getting the calls disguises their voice for privacy, but there's allegedly proof that the audio file has been edited more substantially than disguising the person's voice.

I heard rumblings of Vinny sleeping with fans back in January - the first wave of that coincided with a webcomic creator getting called out for abuse, so the first week of 2021 was really fucking stressful since I had to come to terms with two content creators I liked disappointing me. I still think it's feasible that Vinny slept with fans - legal fans, sure, but it's still not ethical and I'm still disappointed.

But the document dropped in March some time, and by then we had allegations that he badmouthed other content creators, gave one woman HPV and was very controlling. The first accuser made a big point over him name-dropping other creators and spun that into him badmouthing that, and the most vitriolic anti-Vinny people were making it out like Vinny knowingly gave a woman HPV because he was safe the first time and not the second time - though HPV is apparently hard to diagnose in men, so I think that's not a fair argument.

I can get the allegations to a point. What I heard in January? I think it's likely. But between January and March, more charges were added to this rap sheet, and I find it hard to stay invested in the entire scope of his cancelling when it went from "Vinny fucks his female fans" to "Vinny is a manipulator and a liar, and I think he knowingly infected me with HPV". Even if the woman who got HPV didn't say that, that's what it became.

A similar thing happened with Joel being transphobic in the past, which I think he was. I still think he's a bit conservative personally, but he keeps his personal views and his streamer persona more separated nowadays. He was making really shitty jokes for years, and at no point was it really brought up until enough evidence was there to take him down. That one rubbed me the wrong way because I like to think he might have apologized if confronted beforehand? But people waited, collected it all into one place and then used it to try and take him down.

The fact of the matter is that we don't know how much of this is true. We have some anonymous accusers with some manipulative rhetoric and some tenuous inferences, and we have the video game streamer who - in my eyes - has left some compelling evidence that he chats up his female fans to fuck them. His privacy has been violated, but if some of these charges are true, then it is condemnable and it is disappointing. Though for my money's worth, the only thing I'm convinced of is that he slept with female fans. Ethically, I think that's pretty disappointing, and I don't like or support that sort of behavior. But I can see myself moving past that and watching his streams again if that's the case - it's disappointing, but it's not a deal-breaker.

But until I know what's true and what isn't about the accusations, I don't think I can make that call. I hope Vinny's okay, but I won't be able to comfortably watch his streams until the accusations are confirmed or denied.

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I didn't know people have complicated opinions about random youtube stuff.

Also there's no way I'm reading any of that.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

I didn't know people have complicated opinions about random youtube stuff.

Also there's no way I'm reading any of that.

That's fine. It's just what I think of the situation.

I make long-ass posts like this all the time, but the reason I'm this invested in the controversy is because I've been watching Vinesauce for nearly ten years. It means a lot to me - I made a CE thread when GPM got booted from the group, and fuckin no-one cared lol

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MrMallard posted...

I made a CE thread when GPM got booted from the group

More power to you, but I don't know who or what that is, either.

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Of course, I'm just saying I've been into Vinesauce for a while and these sorts of things matter to me. Whether you read my shit or not is up to you, I'm just saying I talk about it because I care.

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It was all fake shit manufactured by people from 4chan and promoted by other content creators that don't like him, like even the "worst" case scenario of him sleeping with his fans was moot because they were consenting adults and shit.

MrMallard posted...

I made a CE thread when GPM got booted from the group

Man that dude went from being a scummy person to just being fucking god awful, first pocketing charity money and now being one of the morons that promoted the fake shit said about vinny, dude got ethered, lost like 90% of is subs and followers because of this shit

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LOL wait until tc hears about Rick Rootjuice

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I'm not really bothered too much because it seems unlikely that Vinny did anything irredeemable or even all that bad. As far as his break from streaming, I watch both him and Joel almost entirely on youtube anyway. And I have a massive backlog of videos from both of them.

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Cookie Bag posted...

It was all fake shit manufactured by people from 4chan and promoted by other content creators that don't like him, like even the "worst" case scenario of him sleeping with his fans was moot because they were consenting adults and shit.

That's what I think.

Vinny always seemed like a genuinely good guy, really can't see someone like him being abusive or controlling in any fashion.

Who cares if they're both consenting adults and no grooming shit happened.

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This is the first I'm hearing of this and it sounds a bit like the accusations against Dan Avidan. I.E.: Sex between two consenting adults that was blown out of proportion just because they had conversations when she was younger.

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I hope Vinny did his Mario voice while fucking them.

This is one thing I don't get about the internet community/anime VA community. If fans want to fuck a creator, why does the creator HAVE to say no?

Music idols fuck their fans all the time and don't get canceled for it. If you have the apparent clout that a fan wanted to fuck you and you also want to fuck then its fair game lmao

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Vinny is one of the best popular lpers out there honestly. He's generally down to earth, doesn't make forced jokes and over the top reactions, and is actually good at the games, usually aiming for 100%.
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Perascamin posted...

This is one thing I don't get about the internet community/anime VA community. If fans want to fuck a creator, why does the creator HAVE to say no?

Music idols fuck their fans all the time and don't get canceled for it. If you have the apparent clout that a fan wanted to fuck you and you also want to fuck then its fair game lmao

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Cookie Bag posted...

the "worst" case scenario of him sleeping with his fans was moot because they were consenting adults and shit.

Ehhh, not sure I agree.

It's pretty scummy. You guys okay with teachers fucking students or employers fucking employees? Or a sober person fucking someone so drunk they can't think straight? Just because they are adults?

There's a lot of power, influence and unwarranted pressure/expectations put upon the person in the lesser position that can be abused easily by the person in authority.

I agree that it shouldn't be illegal or anything but a wealthy celebrity targeting their most loyal and youngest adult fans then pressuring them for causal sex is slimy as fuck.

Most people in those positions don't do it for a good reason . It's predatory.

If this was Tucker Carlson you wouldn't be dismissing it and you know it

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A teacher or employer isn't even remotely the same thing as a YouTube star in terms of their authority over you.


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Frizzurd posted...

I hope Vinny did his Mario voice while fucking them.

Im sure this is how it went down
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zPyl-Rgn3qI

Oh ho! Here's the problem, too many hymens.

Perascamin posted...

A teacher or employer isn't even remotely the same thing as a YouTube star in terms of their authority over you.

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Not sure I agree but regardless, look how quick you abandon "Both are adults so who cares!?"

Circumstances matter.

this whole outlook just infantilizes women when it comes to celebrities. Nooo you cant make your decision, hes clearly pressuring you with his fame unless theyre literally promising you some of the pie or fucking exposing you to their audience in some where, there is NO power imbalance bullshit.

Your attempt to pivot this to a sexism issue is pretty pathetic. It's just as questionable if not more so when women do it.

And the fact you think pressure and influence don't matter at all says a lot.

It's predatory and immoral to target people who are in a weaker position to you, are highly emotional/irrational and have strong inclanations/incentives to not upset you and do whatever you tell them too.

It's just being a total sleazebag.

I think its absolutely heinous to imply that anyone with any modicum of fame immediately can never be involved with anyone whos seen any of their work ever again.

No one said that.

All you've done is fallacies. Strawmen and wild subject changes.

I absolutely would be

I don't believe you

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doesn't sound like that big of a deal to me. I still think vinny is alright.

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LepartialJury posted...

And this doesn't apply to everyone or even the majority of people who just happen to enjoy someone's work. In fact, a basis of a relationship is admiring someone for something they do. Of course, I get that you wouldn't understand since you've never been in a relationship before.

"I have no argument so I will insult you!"

And the irony is delicious considering your arguing a teacher fucking a student is the same thing a butcher fucking a traffic cop because "Well the basis of a relationship is admiration so its the same thing!!!!"

No. Power dynamics and influence are real

Predatory scumbags take advantage of them and pretend they don't exist because they are gross

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I think its better to just not have sex with your fans even if they are consenting adults. For internet celebrities, it always leads to drama and unfortunate circumstances. Just keep it professional when interacting with your fan base. For internet celebrities, the fan base is what keeps them alive. As the saying goes Dont shit where you eat. If people consider YouTube or whatever to be their full time job, dont mess around like that.

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Scarecrow17 posted...

I think its better to just not have sex with your fans even if they are consenting adults. For internet celebrities, it always leads to drama and unfortunate circumstances. Just keep it professional when interacting with your fan base. For internet celebrities, the fan base is what keeps them alive. As the saying goes Dont shit where you eat. If people consider YouTube or whatever to be their full time job, dont mess around like that.

Are we even sure that Vinny shacked up with fans? The alleged "proof" just seemee to be BS.

If he did, then yeah, don't shit where you eat.

DoctorPiranha3 posted...

Are we even sure that Vinny shacked up with fans?

the general consensus about this stuff is that portions are true and all detail generic casual sex encounters between adults. two of the reported cases had the people who told their stories come out and said the person compiling the big document that was dropped manipulated their stories and twisted their words into it being about abuse. there have been hints that a few really sketchy people who vinny has had issues with in the past are behind it

it was basically an attempt at his career which ended up coming off more like lame tabloid shit and ever places like resetera that normally nail people to the wall over mundane things pretty much shrugged it off


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