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05/17/21 5:27:05 PM
#153:


Kavanaugh is pretty moderate, but like, the most partisan Supreme Court justice is probably less partisan than Joe Manchin.

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Peace___Frog
05/18/21 9:05:27 AM
#154:


Re: some fantasy world where kavanaugh is a reasonably fair and honest judge

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2021/5/18/22440256/brett-kavanaugh-supreme-court-edwards-vannoy-abortion-criminal-justice-constitution-stare-decisis

Four justices called Kavanaugh out for overruling Montgomery without being entirely honest about what he was up to. Though Thomas agreed with Kavanaugh that Montgomery should be overruled, he wrote that the Court should be more candid when it overrules a prior precedent. Hence his dig at Kavanaugh for overruling Montgomery in substance but not in name.
Meanwhile, the Courts three liberal justices joined an opinion by Justice Sonia Sotomayor that walked right up to the line of accusing Kavanaugh of lying about what he was up to in his majority opinion. The Court simply rewrites Miller and Montgomery to say what the Court now wishes they had said, and then denies that it has done any such thing, Sotomayor wrote. The Court, she added, knows what it is doing.
Kavanaughs loose approach to precedent, in other words, isnt simply being noticed by legal experts and court-watchers. Its being noticed by Kavanaughs colleagues to his right and to his left and four of them recently called him out for it.


Tldr - half of his coworkers publicly called Kavanaugh dishonest, including fucking Thomas!

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xp1337
05/18/21 9:21:29 AM
#155:


Peace___Frog posted...
Re: some fantasy world where kavanaugh is a reasonably fair and honest judge
no one believes this

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LordoftheMorons
05/18/21 9:44:37 AM
#156:


Some hall of fame both-sidesing here from McCarthy

https://twitter.com/steventdennis/status/1394648816905764865?s=21

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xp1337
05/18/21 10:05:33 AM
#157:


We didn't discuss it, but House Dems agreeing to a 50-50 split and giving the GOP veto power on subpoenas were weak as hell moves. That commission won't accomplish anything like that and it's something that was actually really needed.

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masterplum
05/18/21 10:15:24 AM
#158:


xp1337 posted...
We didn't discuss it, but House Dems agreeing to a 50-50 split and giving the GOP veto power on subpoenas were weak as hell moves. That commission won't accomplish anything like that and it's something that was actually really needed.

I actually kind of like democrats moves here. They are going with the strategy of we don't have a big enough majority to actually pass anything and Biden is relatively popular, which means if we don't rock the boat we could avoid the midterm slide because there will be nothing to spark anger in the republican base

Democrat strategy has been weak as hell over the last couple decades, but I think this is a good one. High turnout didn't correlate with a blue wave like you expect so killing non college educated white voter enthusiasm seems extremely smart

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xp1337
05/18/21 10:23:01 AM
#159:


That is pointedly ignoring how GOP state legislatures across the country are enacting draconian voter suppression.

"Do nothing" is a losing strategy.

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masterplum
05/18/21 10:25:21 AM
#160:


xp1337 posted...
That is pointedly ignoring how GOP state legislatures across the country are enacting draconian voter suppression.

"Do nothing" is a losing strategy.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-the-republican-push-to-restrict-voting-could-affect-our-elections/

So in the long run, additional barriers to voting could actually hurt Republicans, dampening turnout among white voters without a college degree, who have become a huge part of the GOP base. Fraga told me this is why he thinks the polarization on voting access by party where Democrats generally favor making it easier to vote while Republicans oppose it seems totally backwards.

That's speculative, but I am throughly unconvinced voter laws will change anything. I think old people dying from Coronavirus will have a bigger effect for instance

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xp1337
05/18/21 10:44:56 AM
#161:


The very next line in that article:

"To be sure, though, Fraga's own research has found that white voters, regardless of how easy or hard it is for them to vote, consistently turn out at higher rates than voters of color, so we do want to be careful of not reading too much into this."

Like, really that excerpt is just a tertiary part of the article (which is a good read, thanks), and it upfront admits that we've never really had to deal with an effort on this scale in the US before and also highlights that what is clear is that the GOP's commitment to democracy has fallen off a cliff since Trump became the nominee and that they're doing everything they can to pursue a path to pursue electoral changes to more easily win with minority support and the dire threat that presents to democracy.

2020 for sure presents a pause to the conventional thinking to "turnout goes up, Democrats benefit" but I think we need more data to try and figure it out rather than just declare a single data point overturns the conventional thinking forevermore. (I mean, I think it's a good deal more complicated than just that and we're in the middle of a realignment of sorts and Trump just supercharged the rural white vote to never before seen levels on top of that)

In any event, it's clear what the intent of these voter suppression measures are. We have some evidence that it can incur a backlash (2020 Wisconsin judicial elections, for example) and backfire but it's happening in so many places in so many ways and the article itself notes that even that backlash requires activism groups to spend more money for outreach, education, mobilization, and activism to raise awareness.

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ChaosTonyV4
05/18/21 10:45:58 AM
#162:


masterplum posted...
I actually kind of like democrats moves here. They are going with the strategy of we don't have a big enough majority to actually pass anything and Biden is relatively popular, which means if we don't rock the boat we could avoid the midterm slide because there will be nothing to spark anger in the republican base

Democrat strategy has been weak as hell over the last couple decades, but I think this is a good one. High turnout didn't correlate with a blue wave like you expect so killing non college educated white voter enthusiasm seems extremely smart

Its the exact same strategy theyve been doing.

Garbage party.


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HeroDelTiempo17
05/18/21 11:40:17 AM
#163:


masterplum posted...
if we don't rock the boat we could avoid the midterm slide because there will be nothing to spark anger in the republican base

In what world is this even remotely a possibility? You're talking like the GOP doesn't have a propaganda machine it uses to generate anger.

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PrinceKaro
05/18/21 12:58:58 PM
#164:


the republican base is always angry

it is their default state of being

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05/18/21 1:07:02 PM
#165:


masterplum posted...
I actually kind of like democrats moves here. They are going with the strategy of we don't have a big enough majority to actually pass anything and Biden is relatively popular, which means if we don't rock the boat we could avoid the midterm slide because there will be nothing to spark anger in the republican base

There also won't be anything to inspire the Democratic base, though. And Biden being sort of popular doesn't mean the GOP can't crush the Dems in midterms thanks to low turnout. Just look at how badly the Dems got killed in 2010 and 2014.
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ChaosTonyV4
05/18/21 1:29:57 PM
#166:


https://twitter.com/garylegum/status/1394673539475812356?s=21

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FFDragon
05/18/21 1:55:30 PM
#167:


Negotiating with the people complicit in the thing you're trying to investigate is a bonkers proposition in the first place.

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Suprak the Stud
05/18/21 2:15:55 PM
#168:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://twitter.com/garylegum/status/1394673539475812356?s=21

Well yeah but statistically speaking one of these times Lucy isnt going to pull the football away at the last second and then YOULL be the one looking foolish.

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Peace___Frog
05/18/21 3:50:08 PM
#169:


FFDragon posted...
Negotiating with the people complicit in the thing you're trying to investigate is a bonkers proposition in the first place.
What ever happened to we don't negotiate with terrorists

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Dancedreamer
05/18/21 3:53:39 PM
#170:


We really should start treating the Republicans the way they claim we're treating them. At least then they won't be liars!

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TheRock1525
05/18/21 5:09:30 PM
#171:


https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1394299238616600580

Oh won't someone please think of the childr- I mean, white men?!?!

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kevwaffles
05/18/21 5:41:19 PM
#172:


TheRock1525 posted...
https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1394299238616600580

Oh won't someone please think of the childr- I mean, white men?!?!

I'm just quoting this because I really want to see Tony defend it.
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UshiromiyaEva
05/18/21 5:46:46 PM
#173:


If Rock has Tony blocked that still won't work because you direct quoted! Gotta just post the link raw.

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1394299238616600580

Defend your boy.

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kevwaffles
05/18/21 5:48:39 PM
#174:


Oh I thought they changed how that worked.
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PerfectChaosZ
05/18/21 5:49:19 PM
#175:


"Joe Rogan is so neutral"
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GuessMyUserName
05/18/21 5:49:47 PM
#176:


always makes me think back to by brother coming back from the pub at uni complaining about not being allowed to speak because he's a straight white man - when i know full well that he whines about feminists, SJWs, and black activism and that's much more likely the reason he'd get shut down

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LordoftheMorons
05/18/21 5:50:08 PM
#177:


I think he would see that? Ulti has me blocked and I see it when people quote him. I think the only time Tony wouldn't see it is if he had ignored/blocked Rock.

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ChaosTonyV4
05/18/21 6:05:04 PM
#178:


Why would I defend that? Its stupid as hell.

(Its almost as stupid that you guys think Id want to tbh)

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Mr Lasastryke
05/18/21 6:07:21 PM
#179:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
(Its almost as stupid that you guys think Id want to tbh)

why wouldn't we think that, given your track record?

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DoomTheGyarados
05/18/21 6:17:22 PM
#180:


Imagine defending someone when they say things you agree with but disagreeing with someone when they say things you don't agree with.

Tony is so strange!!!

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Mr Lasastryke
05/18/21 6:20:46 PM
#181:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Imagine defending someone when they say things you agree with but disagreeing with someone when they say things you don't agree with.

Tony is so strange!!!

this is literally the first time in the history of this topic tony hasn't defended rogan but ok

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UshiromiyaEva
05/18/21 6:23:04 PM
#182:


Tony has often defended Rogan for saying things he claims to disagree with.

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Mr Lasastryke
05/18/21 6:23:17 PM
#183:


also, lol @ the idea that rogan often says something that's worth defending.

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DoomTheGyarados
05/18/21 6:24:51 PM
#184:


I 100% know Tony has refused to defend Rogan before because I watch Tony like a hawk.

Also Rogan has said plenty of things worth defending, just not lately!

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ChaosTonyV4
05/18/21 6:27:32 PM
#185:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
this is literally the first time in the history of this topic tony hasn't defended rogan but ok

UshiromiyaEva posted...
Tony has often defended Rogan for saying things he claims to disagree with.

Lol both of you are completely wrong and this is goofy as hell

Edit: In fact, I remember like nearly the last time Rogan got brought up, Lasa accused me of defending Joe by saying he would vote for Biden but didnt, and then Lasa checked the logs and ~whoops~ turns out I didnt defend Joe saying that, because Joe explicitly said he wasnt even going to vote for Biden!

You guys are just making shit up at this point

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Mr Lasastryke
05/18/21 6:30:09 PM
#186:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
I 100% know Tony has refused to defend Rogan before because I watch Tony like a hawk.

whatever. he's certainly not as neutral on rogan as you're making him out to be.

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DoomTheGyarados
05/18/21 6:31:34 PM
#187:


I mean I would say in my time in this topic when Rogan is brought up people swing way more the other way negatively than Tony does positively. I think the only thing I get from Tony is he enjoys the podcast, which I enjoyed a few episodes too so I kind of 'understood' why someone might like it (mostly with guests I liked)

But Rogan's been taking L's consistently for awhile now, although he did dunk on Ben Shapiro a little bit one time so that was fun

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StealThisSheen
05/18/21 6:56:18 PM
#188:


Tony blatantly took an L on Rogan the last time he came up, guys.

Well, he did it with a meme, but you get it.

I know this because cracking on Tony over Rogan and Chris over Tulsi were some of my favorite things

And they were taken from me

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GuessMyUserName
05/18/21 7:49:35 PM
#189:


prepare your concerns

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1394756356947775490

JUST IN: The FBI is investigating what it calls a massive scheme to illegally finance Sen. Susan Collins' 2020 reelection bid, Axios has learned.

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05/18/21 8:10:57 PM
#190:


TheRock1525 posted...
https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1394299238616600580

Oh won't someone please think of the childr- I mean, white men?!?!
Wish this was true so he'd shut the fuck up

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TheRock1525
05/18/21 8:37:20 PM
#191:


GuessMyUserName posted...
prepare your concerns

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1394756356947775490

JUST IN: The FBI is investigating what it calls a massive scheme to illegally finance Sen. Susan Collins' 2020 reelection bid, Axios has learned.

Man I really wish this would explain how the fuck she got re-elected but that's just financing.

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ChaosTonyV4
05/18/21 8:39:19 PM
#192:


https://youtu.be/YeEbtiruH2Q

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Peace___Frog
05/18/21 10:28:56 PM
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NFUN
05/18/21 10:31:19 PM
#194:


yo what holy shit? the NY AG is investigating the Manhattan DA???

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05/18/21 11:04:21 PM
#195:


https://twitter.com/CNBCPolitics/status/1394650913000861696

i-... what?

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DoomTheGyarados
05/18/21 11:04:59 PM
#196:


No, please don't target the billionaires.

Stop.

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KamikazePotato
05/18/21 11:07:35 PM
#197:


People accuse liberals of eating their own too often, but I don't think anything has ever self-imploded as the GOP is right now

I mean it doesn't matter and won't affect their voting numbers in the slightest, but it's still mystical to watch

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ChaosTonyV4
05/18/21 11:08:34 PM
#198:


GuessMyUserName posted...
https://twitter.com/CNBCPolitics/status/1394650913000861696

i-... what?

The fact moderates can see this shit and think any sort of middle ground or reasonable approach can beat this.


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Suprak the Stud
05/18/21 11:34:59 PM
#199:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
The fact moderates can see this shit and think any sort of middle ground or reasonable approach can beat this.

The problem is the middle ground approach did beat this is 2020. I don't think the "not politically engaged" crowd is going to do any sort of internal reflection until after democrats get trounced in 2022.

DoomTheGyarados posted...
No, please don't target the billionaires.

Stop.

When you're so un-woke you accidentally join the woke mob by mistake.

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05/19/21 1:17:25 AM
#200:


Suprak the Stud posted...
The problem is the middle ground approach did beat this is 2020. I don't think the "not politically engaged" crowd is going to do any sort of internal reflection until after democrats get trounced in 2022.
Bold to assume that they'll do any sort of internal reflection then either.

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05/19/21 2:13:52 AM
#201:


it's all nonsense because (as centrists love to point out), the overwhelming majority of people do not understand, know about, or care about policy. this is all a general manipulation of the culture war, which is all the overwhelming majority of americans care about, to benefit conservatives by suggesting 'woke' capitalism is the problem, as if capitalists being woke isn't exclusively an attempt to quell attempts to oppose them by trying to appear socially conscious.
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xp1337
05/19/21 3:22:45 AM
#202:


Tennessee's governor just signed a bill that will require any business that shows transgender customers basic dignity to post signs warning people of that fact.

https://twitter.com/AriDrennen/status/1394699249422508032

Also signed bills that opens public schools open to lawsuits if they allow transgender students or staff to use the bathroom or locker room of their gender. As well as requiring a 30-day advance notice if sexual orientation or gender identity will be mentioned in class and allow parents to opt-out their children.

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