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Blue_Inigo
05/10/21 12:17:58 PM
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https://youtu.be/KiJEDGfxzgI

Mysterious Figure is still some mega bullshit

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DeadBankerDream
05/10/21 12:19:31 PM
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I feel like by now people are pretty understanding that despite the sayso of Namco Bandai and 12 year olds, Dark Souls is not the most difficult thing man has ever conceived of.

I wouldn't really say that boss is as hard as people make it out to be. If you're using Surge commands he's still difficult, but he's not that bad. The problem is that you have to use Surge commands in the first place. The command deck is very poorly balanced.

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MushroomMuncher
05/10/21 12:20:19 PM
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This boss is just poorly designed. Imagine the poor soul who didn't have Second Chance or Once More

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RadiantJoyrock
05/10/21 12:21:06 PM
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Because Dark Souls has good design for the bosses and combat
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Blue_Inigo
05/10/21 12:22:57 PM
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RadiantJoyrock posted...
Because Dark Souls has good design for the bosses and combat
Oh yeah, Bed of Chaos is some top tier design

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DeadlyNinjaBees
05/10/21 12:23:20 PM
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Imagine still talking about KH games these days.

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BLAKUboy
05/10/21 12:25:38 PM
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MF in FM is laughably easy compared to the original NA release.

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Blue_Inigo
05/10/21 12:26:02 PM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
I feel like by now people are pretty understanding that despite the sayso of Namco Bandai and 12 year olds, Dark Souls is not the most difficult thing man has ever conceived of.

I wouldn't really say that boss is as hard as people make it out to be. If you're using Surge commands he's still difficult, but he's not that bad. The problem is that you have to use Surge commands in the first place. The command deck is very poorly balanced.
He's difficult because his damage is ridiculous, he's fast as hell, and you CAN'T win without thunder surge

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monkmith
05/10/21 12:26:25 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
Oh yeah, Bed of Chaos is some top tier design
that always fell less like a boss battle and more like a puzzle.

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Fluttershy
05/10/21 12:27:13 PM
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Oh yeah, Bed of Chaos is some top tier design

this boss you posted looks kinda shitty and looking around the internet seems to reinforce that complaint.

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MushroomMuncher
05/10/21 12:27:31 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
He's difficult because his damage is ridiculous, he's fast as hell, and you CAN'T win without thunder surge
With Aqua and Ventus you're nigh invincible with those i-frames. Terra is a suicide mission

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RadiantJoyrock
05/10/21 12:28:57 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
Oh yeah, Bed of Chaos is some top tier design
I actually love bed of chaos, but I get the complaints. That's the low of the series, and not a good or fair representation.
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RadiantJoyrock
05/10/21 12:29:37 PM
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DeadlyNinjaBees posted...
Imagine still talking about KH games these days.
Nah they're great games, even if the bosses aren't the best
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Blue_Inigo
05/10/21 12:32:16 PM
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Seriously though, Kingdom Hearts games have some of the most difficult optional bosses I've seen in an rpg. An action one at least

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Fluttershy
05/10/21 12:32:38 PM
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I actually love bed of chaos

i don't *hate* bed of chaos. i stopped really having much trouble with it once i found out two-handing a shield solves the swipes.

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BLAKUboy
05/10/21 12:32:45 PM
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Yeah, the problem here is that Terra's dodge is legitimately awful. MF isn't a great boss, but he's manageable with the other two characters' good dodges.
No Heart, on the other hand, is a legitimately good boss.

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Prestoff
05/10/21 12:32:56 PM
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I forgot which game was it that literally had you mashing dodge button the entire time until an open window allows you to throw down mines.

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Blue_Inigo
05/10/21 12:33:53 PM
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Prestoff posted...
I forgot which game was it that literally had you mashing dodge button the entire time until an open window allows you to throw down mines.
Birth By Sleep

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DeadBankerDream
05/10/21 1:06:13 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
He's difficult because his damage is ridiculous, he's fast as hell, and you CAN'T win without thunder surge
That's what I said.

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pegusus123456
05/11/21 11:19:34 PM
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Birth By Sleep is just a badly designed game. Bosses don't stagger and they got rid of the revenge value mechanic, so bosses just instantly counterattack you without warning. This means the majority of abilities are useless because they lock you into a combo animation the boss can murder you in.

Ventus' Vanitas fight is by far the worst boss I've ever fought in a video game.

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Xavier_On_High
05/11/21 11:24:10 PM
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Julius in DDD was always by far the most difficult KH superboss for me. I just couldn't get my head around them cheap-ass shockwaves.

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PatrickMahomes
05/11/21 11:26:51 PM
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I'm not familiar with KH lore at this point, who exactly is this supposed to be?

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DespondentDeity
05/11/21 11:27:53 PM
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Lingering Will is the coolest fuckin name

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brestugo
05/11/21 11:32:52 PM
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K

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SSJKirby
05/11/21 11:34:03 PM
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RadiantJoyrock posted...
Because Dark Souls has good design for the bosses and combat
I wouldn't say Dark Souls has good combat, serviceable for what's needed but not exactly DMC here

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CapnMuffin
05/11/21 11:34:19 PM
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PatrickMahomes posted...
I'm not familiar with KH lore at this point, who exactly is this supposed to be?
Super simple. Young Ansem who is actually Young Xehanort but also had a piece of Old Xehanort's heart inside him, which Ansem who is actually Xehanort's heartless, which left his body behind, which was also Terra's body, in order to go back in time to visit him and share his time traveling tips with, which allowed him to meet Terra there in the game and be a boss.
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Xerun
05/11/21 11:34:36 PM
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While I agree. Mysterious Figure is a badly designed boss.

Any of the Data Org 13, Lingering Will, Data Real Org 13 or Yozora are much better examples.

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PatrickMahomes
05/11/21 11:45:55 PM
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CapnMuffin posted...
Super simple. Young Ansem who is actually Young Xehanort but also had a piece of Old Xehanort's heart inside him, which Ansem who is actually Xehanort's heartless, which left his body behind, which was also Terra's body, in order to go back in time to visit him and share his time traveling tips with, which allowed him to meet Terra there in the game and be a boss.
That explains the double laser swords

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Blue_Inigo
05/11/21 11:52:15 PM
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It's just Young Xehanort with time travel powers from his heartless. In the fight, he even warps time.

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Irony
05/11/21 11:53:38 PM
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Man fuck the story in this series

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Blue_Inigo
05/11/21 11:54:26 PM
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Irony posted...
Man fuck the story in this series
It's mostly fine

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pegusus123456
05/11/21 11:54:43 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
It's mostly fine
You are full of shit, sir.

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Irony
05/11/21 11:54:55 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
It's mostly fine
Yeah until you get off Destiny Islands

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Blue_Inigo
05/11/21 11:56:13 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
You are full of shit, sir.
I think the time travelling is the most poorly explained thing. Otherwise, Kingdom Hearts is pretty straightforward.

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Irony
05/11/21 11:57:09 PM
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No memories and hearts

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pegusus123456
05/11/21 11:57:14 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
I think the time travelling is the most poorly explained thing. Otherwise, Kingdom Hearts is pretty straightforward.
No, the entire Ansem/Xehanort/Terra situation is more than enough to make the story stupid and convoluted even before time travel.

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I4NRulez
05/11/21 11:59:47 PM
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KH does have some fun bosses but Dark Souls is so much superior as a series than KH is.

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Irony
05/12/21 12:00:23 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
No, the entire Ansem/Xehanort/Terra situation is more than enough to make the story stupid and convoluted even before time travel.
No that's actually easy to explain

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pegusus123456
05/12/21 12:01:22 AM
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Irony posted...
No that's actually easy to explain
Which makes it no less stupid and convoluted.

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Irony
05/12/21 12:02:25 AM
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If it's easy to explain it's not convoluted

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pegusus123456
05/12/21 12:08:07 AM
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Irony posted...
If it's easy to explain it's not convoluted
Then I guess it's not that easy to explain because it's sure as fuck convoluted.

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SomeLikeItHoth
05/12/21 12:09:30 AM
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Y'all both those games got nothing on Black Link from the Water Temple in Ocarina of Time! Fuck that boss!

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tremain07
05/12/21 12:10:24 AM
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Trying to explain who he and

she are is less complicated than Kingdom Hearts, it's a long story

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DespondentDeity
05/12/21 12:10:31 AM
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...
Y'all both those games got nothing on Black Link from the Water Temple in Ocarina of Time! Fuck that boss!

hammer strats

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SomeLikeItHoth
05/12/21 12:14:15 AM
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DespondentDeity posted...
hammer strats
Nope! Nothing can beat him unless you cheat with game shark codes.

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05/12/21 12:16:03 AM
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slmcknett
05/12/21 12:21:49 AM
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The bosses in the handheld games are just poorly balanced, not actually hard. The superbosses in KH2 are a different story though, and actually have a proper balance of strategy and fun.

No clue about KH3's superbosses since I refuse to pay $30 for the DLC of a half-assed game.

But yeah, Mysterious Figure isn't hard, just broken and terribly designed. Has a badass theme song though.

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Kuuko
05/12/21 12:24:23 AM
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KH2FM superbosses actually legitimately interestingly difficult. Data Org and Lingering Will a bit moreso than Sephiroth. Those fights really make you utilize the full scope of KH2's game mechanics to beat them and anything that happens to you in the fights is avoidable.

Birth By Sleep's superbosses are so so awful though. Well really, BBS's entire battle system is awful. It feels like the developers threw together a bunch of different mechanics without testing them. Regular Finish Commands are useless. Command Styles are useless. D-Links are mostly useless. 75% of the Shotlocks are useless, and by far one of the best ones (Ragnarok) can be unlocked at the beginning of the game. Most of the commands in general are useless.

With the Superbosses it's like the devs realized "oh shit. we accidentally kinda made it really hard to die if you have Second Chance and One More and Leaf Bracer. nothing will ever kill you in one combo and you have invincibility when you heal". And so they designed the superbosses around overwhelming you with so many attacks and bullets that can't be dodged that you need Second Chance and One More and Leaf Bracer and nonstop roll-spam for extra invincibility frames and the only attack you can realistically use is Thunder Surge because of its invincibility frames. And you'll die anyway when the game weirdly considered a combo hit not part of the combo and One More doesn't activate when it should have, which happens a few times in the OP video. It's like they deliberately made the least fun possible superbosses that encourage you to use exactly none of the game's battle mechanics and instead just try your best to spam invincibility frames in between 15-second combo + curaga loops.

I 100%'d BBS with all characters on Critical Mode btw...

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pegusus123456
05/12/21 12:28:49 AM
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Kuuko posted...
KH2FM superbosses actually legitimately interestingly difficult. Data Org and Lingering Will a bit moreso than Sephiroth. Those fights really make you utilize the full scope of KH2's game mechanics to beat them and anything that happens to you in the fights is avoidable.
Yeah, those bosses actually did make me want to try Dark Souls. You can feel yourself improving every single time. It's a great feeling to farm items off of a boss you once struggled with.

The exception it Xaldin who can eat my entire ass.

Kuuko posted...
I 100%'d BBS with all characters on Critical Mode btw...
God save you, BBS broke me. I made it to that rhythm minigame and that was it. There was no chance of me 100%ing that game. How the fuck do you have a rhythm game where the beats you have to hit don't match the music?

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Jabodie
05/12/21 12:29:46 AM
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Re:coded had the best command system gameplay and it's a shame that it was in re:coded.

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