Current Events > Which car brand do you like more, Viper or Corvette?

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Vette.

But the Viper is strong.

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i dont really like american cars but the new mid engine corvette looks cool

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hmmmmm i wonder....

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Every viper has been cool. Lots of vettes have sucked. But peak vette is better than peak viper

peak vette is better than peak viper?

KazGT6 posted...

peak vette is better than peak viper?

The fastest American car around the Nurburgring (12 mile circuit) is a Viper ACR.

But I do think the new Z06 will top it.

And then the ZR1 after that.

And then the electric/hybrid Zora model

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Viper

too bad Dodge sucks ass now and stopped making them

theyll throw a damn Hellcat engine into a fucking minivan but wont give the world a new Viper

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ClunkerSlim posted...

Have they made a Viper since the 90s?

they stopped making them in 2017 iirc

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Viper for the cool factor, but I'll concede the Corvette is a great car too.

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SrRd_RacinG posted...

The fastest American car around the Nurburgring (12 mile circuit) is a Viper ACR.

But I do think the new Z06 will top it.

And then the ZR1 after that.

And then the electric/hybrid Zora model

the zr1 c6 isn't faste than that? or the c7 zr1? i think the c7 zr1 is faster than the ACR. Not sure if they tasted that at nurburgring

Would much rather have a Corvette.

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KazGT6 posted...

the zr1 c6 isn't faste than that? or the c7 zr1? i think the c7 zr1 is faster than the ACR. Not sure if they tasted that at nurburgring

ACR = 7:01

The C6 ZR1 did it in about 7:19.

The C7 ZR1 never tried it. Came out too late in the model's generation and the new C8 took all its glory/hype. Really kind of a shame.

There is an unofficial time for the C7 ZO6 but it still doesn't beat the ACR.

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ClunkerSlim posted...

They were still making Vipers in 2017?!?

Nobody bought them. Lol


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yeah it was widely reported that hellcat sales cannibalized the viper's. The hellcats even had more hp than the newer vipers

Corvette even though they've been ugly as shit since 2014. Yes, that includes the mid engine model. Very little style and even less elegance.

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For a while it was called the SRT Viper.

I do think it'll come back in a few years.

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There's rumblings that the Viper will come back as a performance EV.

That. . . wouldn't suck, honestly. But it'd have to be hooked up to some sort of transmission to get acceleration and top speed numbers.

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Just take a Hellcat engine and throw it in a Viper



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viper is my dream car

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SrRd_RacinG posted...

Nobody bought them. Lol

Yep

There were two at the local Chrysler dealership and both were over $100k and they sat on the lot for months as Hellcat Chargers and Challengers got sold daily.


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littlebro07 posted...

Yep

There were two at the local Chrysler dealership and both were over $100k and they sat on the lot for months as Hellcat Chargers and Challengers got sold daily.

yeah they're cheaper and got more hp

KazGT6 posted...

yeah it was widely reported that hellcat sales cannibalized the viper's. The hellcats even had more hp than the newer vipers

I never understood why car manufacturers compete with themselves. Take one thing and perfect it. Its wasting resources.

Nissan made the Altima bigger which makes the Maxima damn near pointless.

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MrDrMan posted...

Nissan made the Altima bigger which makes the Maxima damn near pointless.

They also gave the Altima AWD

An AWD Maxima with an automatic transmission from the Infiniti Q line would be orgasmic

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Chevy

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classic corvette stingrays >>>>>>>>>>>>> vipers = corvettes of the same year

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I might take a Camaro ZL1 1LE.

One of the best track cars America has ever produced.

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The_Critic posted...

Every viper has been cool. Lots of vettes have sucked. But peak vette is better than peak viper

This.

I voted for Viper tho

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I like the idea of the viper, but to actually own one, it's corvette all day. The aftermaket for it is practically infinite and parts are plentiful.

Vipers are a cooler car, but to upgrade you're looking at big bucks, and they're a much more raw experience, so it's less of a daily driver.

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SrRd_RacinG posted...

I might take a Camaro ZL1 1LE.

One of the best track cars America has ever produced.

the c7 zo6 and zr1 are both faster than that. Though i have seen some and they are gorgeous

eh not huge on either of these, more of s sleeper fan...

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vip and corvette ate not brands

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Viper

It held title of most powerful US production engine, had a completely new design concept and was actually still affordable.

I do like the new Vettes but I feel like they ripped off a Ferrari 488.

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Flockaveli posted...

Just take a Hellcat engine and throw it in a Viper

It won't fit

Trumpo posted...

It won't fit

It would absolutely fit. And even the opposite is true, in the monstrous 2011 Challenger Drag Pak, which came with the Viper v10 engine, drag racing tires, and a two speed transmission. It wasn't even street legal.


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Classic stingray > c8 > vipers > 80s-00s Corvette's

SrRd_RacinG posted...

The fastest American car around the Nurburgring (12 mile circuit) is a Viper ACR

Mostly because ford never took the ford gt. And the c7 was only 14 seconds slower and the c8 is much faster. But all of this ignoring no one gives a fuck what nurburgring times are. Even more so when talking American cars.

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SevenTenths posted...

Classic stingray > c8 > vipers > 80s-00s Corvette's

Mostly because ford never took the ford gt. And the c7 was only 14 seconds slower and the c8 is much faster. But all of this ignoring no one gives a fuck what nurburgring times are. Even more so when talking American cars.

The new GT is still way down on power for such a fast circuit, and i'm not sure if it can take the fast way around the carousel without bottoming out and trashing the underside.

EDIT: Just checked, the new GT is almost 400lbs heavier than the ACR-X, almost 200ft/lb of torque down, the V6 doesn't have as forgiving a powerband as the V10, so even though the HP rating is about the same, most of it is only available at the top of the powerband whereas the v10 has a more linear band with the power coming on much earlier.

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Having driven a C7 and been driven in a Viper, Id take a Vette every time. Vipers are cool af but probably one of the most impractical things Ive ever sat it besides a Countach.

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Viper

The last iteration of the Viper was amazing, plus as much as I like Vettes everyone and their grandfather has one. The Viper is a bit more exclusive.

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I really like the design of the new Corvette C8, but I've been a fan of the Viper ever since I was a kid. I have to go with Viper.

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NoxObscuras posted...

I really like the design of the new Corvette C8, but I've been a fan of the Viper ever since I was a kid. I have to go with Viper.

I'm just waiting for the C8 to be worthwhile. The base model is...well, it's the base model. I'm excided for the future trims to come out, i'm hoping the zora is really going to be a twin turbo iteration vs a supercharged one



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what's the difference between twin turbo and supercharged?

KazGT6 posted...

what's the difference between twin turbo and supercharged?

A supercharger is driven off of a belt on the engine like your alternator, turbos use an impeller that is driven off exhaust gasses, so it's basically "free" power whereas a supercharger takes power to run from the engine, so it's parasitic in nature. Superchargers tend to give more low end power, whereas depending on the size of the turbo, the power is generally more up top.

Almost the fastest drag cars are turbo cars, and due to advancements in turbo tech over the past 15-20 years, lag caused by the turbo spooling has been greatly reduced to the point where unless you're running a giant 105mm turbo, it's not a big issue anymore.

Here are some videos if you're interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUFf4n0MUq8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrCwmpjR77U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHEulOcU7jY

EDIT: The main problem with turbochargers is they can be bit more maintenance heavy depending on how aggressive the setup is and it complicates the engine bay (more complicated exhaust manifold, oil feed and return lines, coolant lines if they're not oil cooled, you if you're running big boost, you'll need wastegates pre and post turbo, also extra piping for an intercooler).

Superchargers are more simple because they just sit on top of the engine (not including centrifugal superchargers which are basically just belt driven turbos) and act as the intake manifold

EDIT 2: The whole point of this is to force more air into the combustion chambers, so you can add more fuel and have bigger explosions > more power. The point of adding an intercooler in a turbo setup is to cool the air down further so you can increase the density of the air you're forcing into the engine and make the whole system more efficient. Now, you can add intercoolers in a supercharged setup, but again, they just sit right on top of the engine between it and the supercharger.

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Zero interest in kars, but Viper has a kooler name, so that.

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pogo_rabid posted...

EDIT: Just checked, the new GT is almost 400lbs heavier than the ACR-X, almost 200ft/lb of torque down, the V6 doesn't have as forgiving a powerband as the V10, so even though the HP rating is about the same, most of it is only available at the top of the powerband whereas the v10 has a more linear band with the power coming on much earlier.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a15884757/ford-gt-lap-record-vir-viper-acr/
https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/53io7s4fec35
https://www.motor1.com/news/134638/ford-gt-vs-corvette-z06-viper-acr/

if the viper had a dual clutch, it possibly would beat out the ford gt, without it gets beat out in acceleration. The GT will beat it out in 0-60, 0-100, and quarter mile.The GT is also much more aerodynamic and despite the slight loss of power, still has a higher top speed. Again, don't be an insufferable who argues about track times, especially nurburgring track times. It's gross. Beautiful track, hope to drive it one day, absolutely give 0 fucks what cars can do on it.

electricbugs2 posted...

Having driven a C7 and been driven in a Viper, Id take a Vette every time. Vipers are cool af but probably one of the most impractical things Ive ever sat it besides a Countach.

implying a corvette is practical, you're outing your gimmick again. you don't buy these cars for their practicality.

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I specifically bought a TT over a Stingray because it was more practical, but go off I guess lmao.

oUtInG yOuR gImMiCk! Stay jelly.

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1964 Split Window Vette >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything Viper

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