Current Events > U.S.A. denies India's request to lift ban on COVID vaccine raw materials

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https://tribune.com.pk/story/2296470/us-denies-indian-request-to-lift-ban-on-export-of-vaccine-raw-materials

The United States has denied a request by India to lift the ban on the export of raw materials essential to produce Covid-19 vaccines as the country suffers through a devastating second coronavirus surge.

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the fuck?

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It's most likely the Biden administration rightly believes Modi will take all the credit for helping spread the vaccines throughout India despite having a hand in the spread of COVID by allowing religious gatherings to happen under his watch.

During a press briefing, when asked when the Biden administration would decide on India's request to lift the ban, spokesperson Ned Price said that "the United States first and foremost is engaged in an ambitious and effective and, so far, successful effort to vaccinate the American people.

Reasonable to me. Vaccinate the US first and then they can export it.
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Isn't the US sitting on a shit ton of AstraZeneca vaccines that we have absolutely no intention of using on our own citizens?
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Humble_Novice posted...

It's most likely the Biden administration rightly believes Modi will take all the credit for helping spread the vaccines throughout India despite having a hand in the spread of COVID by allowing religious gatherings to happen under his watch.

And that's worth hundreds of thousands of people dying?

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indica posted...

And that's worth hundreds of thousands of people dying?

Biden was complicit during Obama's war crimes, since when did he ever show he values life outside of low effort platitudes?

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indica posted...

And that's worth hundreds of thousands of people dying?

Not to mention letting the virus fester elsewhere will inevitably lead to more variants, potentially undercutting the efficacy of our vaccination efforts.
This is about racism and a gross allegiance to corporate profit.

But Biden is totes a liberal Democrat! Nancy Pelosi and the DNC said so!

https://www.newsweek.com/china-ready-help-india-fight-covid-19-crisis-amid-us-vaccine-materials-ban-1585839

Meanwhile, the world's new leader, China, is stepping up to the plate to help with the supplies.

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The other way to think is that there is a line. Other countries have already asked us for vaccines so you dont get to line jump because you mishandled things.
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Cuticrusader09 posted...

The other way to think is that there is a line. Other countries have already asked us for vaccines so you dont get to line jump because you mishandled things.

Are we actually sending 'decent' amounts to whoever's first in line though? I really don't know, but sounds like we have plenty of the AstraZeneca that should be going out. Kinda wonder if we're sitting on that to meet the promise of having a vaccine for every American.

Like someone else said, we need to keep cases down everywhere before any crazy variants show up

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When asked about the export ban on Thursday, state department spokesperson Ned Price said the US had a special responsibility to the American people.

^Imagine an American politician prioritizing American lives.
The horror.

She said the US had already provided India with $1.4bn in health assistance, emergency relief supplies, pandemic training for Indian state and local health officials, and ventilators.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/25/us-pressed-to-lift-export-ban-to-help-india-fight-surge-in-covid-cases

Damn how evil of us.

Cuticrusader09 posted...

The other way to think is that there is a line. Other countries have already asked us for vaccines so you dont get to line jump because you mishandled things.

Except they don't want vaccines, they want the drugs needed to make their own vaccines. That is easily doable.

Humble_Novice posted...

It's most likely the Biden administration rightly believes Modi will take all the credit for helping spread the vaccines throughout India despite having a hand in the spread of COVID by allowing religious gatherings to happen under his watch.

Isn't it better that bad people take credit for vaccinations happening than no one take credit for them not happening?

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Cuticrusader09 posted...

The other way to think is that there is a line. Other countries have already asked us for vaccines so you dont get to line jump because you mishandled things.

Would you tell someone who showed up at a hospital with a gunshot wound in their stomach to get in line?

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Here's an article from a month ago.

So far, India has sent more than 60 million doses to 76 countries, mostly AstraZeneca shots manufactured by SII, the worlds largest vaccine maker by volume. Many countries have prioritised the AstraZeneca vaccine in their rollout plans. The shot is sold at cost and it is easier to store at normal temperature than other vaccines. The Reuters news agency cited an Indian government source as saying that New Delhi will continue to supply vaccines in a phased manner. We had stated that keeping in view the domestic requirements of the phased rollout, India will continue to supply COVID-19 vaccines to partner countries over the coming weeks and months in a phased manner, the source said. This position remains unchanged. We have not imposed any ban on exports of vaccines, unlike many other countries, said the source.

Maybe don't prioritize other countries needs before your own citizens needs.
And no doubt those international deals contain a massive financial incentive for the Indian companies and politicians that set them up.
Those same politicians and companies that are mismanaging things in India as we speak.
Of course anyone that has even a cursory knowledge of how Indian society actually functions would not be surprised by this.
But sure this is America's fault for vaccinating around 70% of their population by keeping their own materials for themselves. While India sent tens of millions doses abroad when their vaccination rate was at 5%.

I hate being right all the time.

Intro2Logic posted...

Would you tell someone who showed up at a hospital with a gunshot wound in their stomach to get in line?

If everyone in line has a gunshot wound then that's exactly what happens, yeah.

The US is still vaccinating 3 million people per day and we've already promised vaccines to other countries. So there is a line.

toadfan64 posted...

During a press briefing, when asked when the Biden administration would decide on India's request to lift the ban, spokesperson Ned Price said that "the United States first and foremost is engaged in an ambitious and effective and, so far, successful effort to vaccinate the American people.

Reasonable to me. Vaccinate the US first and then they can export it.

lmao, imagine if that said "Trump" instead of "Biden", you'd be losing your shit

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hmmm today i will genocide

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Trump didn't care about vaccinating either group so that's a pretty bad comparison.

ElatedVenusaur posted...

This is about racism and a gross allegiance to corporate profit.

You are right about that guy.
That's how India got themselves into this mess in the first place.

the raw mario 1

JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

Thats not true. Its so easy to despise Trump - at least use the countless other accurate examples to do so.

It's completely true. If Trump did care, he wouldn't have called COVID a hoax 50 thousand times and he would have gotten vaccinated on camera.

It's kinda too late to vaccinate India is it not?

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America first racist conservatives won't know how to react to this

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

I hate being right all the time.

What a shit take.

1) Those articles have existed since the beginning.
2) Not all those statements are being said by the same people.
3) The US also has a responsibility to help out the rest of the world for a multitude of reasons.

Granted, this situation can be similar to a flight emergency: help yourself before you help those around you. But there isn't a binary here. At what percent of the domestic population fully vaccinated does the US consider it okay to ship vaccines elsewhere?

Germany is much less vaccinated than the US, yet is doing the right thing by sending help
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pistachio12 posted...

Granted, this situation can be similar to a flight emergency: help yourself before you help those around you. But there isn't a binary here. At what percent of the domestic population fully vaccinated does the US consider it okay to ship vaccines elsewhere?

Was thinking of it that way too, and yeah I don't know what a decent percentage should be. But I think we should still be sending out more of that AZ vaccine we're holding

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

I hate being right all the time.

maybe if you stopped talking about the country you happen to live in in first person like a fucking weirdo you wouldn't have to take everything personally @Broseph_Stalin

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Tbf Trump wanted vaccines like a year ago without testing

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kyujo posted...

Was thinking of it that way too, and yeah I don't know what a decent percentage should be. But I think we should still be sending out more of that AZ vaccine we're holding

This is probably part of Biden's attempt to appeal to moderate conservatives. You just know conservative media heads will start raging when we start exporting major amounts of vaccines. And maybe he's worried about mid terms in certain states.

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Do people seem to forget, or just be unaware of, the fact that the United States is the third most populated country on the planet? Not to mention one of the hardest hit by the pandemic? Why would we start exporting vaccines to other countries when the virus is still spreading uncontrolled here? And with a new variant in Texas as well.

Besides, we have shipped some vaccines to Mexico already.

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Gamerguymass posted...

Why would we start exporting vaccines to other countries when the virus is still spreading uncontrolled here?

because america has millions of az vaccines that it isn't using.
DO PEOPLE SEEM TO FORGET???

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

I hate being right all the time.

btw did that guy ever get modded for essentially saying people should die for criticizing america?

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Trumps America

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Gamerguymass posted...

Do people seem to forget, or just be unaware of, the fact that the United States is the third most populated country on the planet?

I wonder what the second most populous is? With more than 3 times the population of the US, maybe?

Gamerguymass posted...

Not to mention one of the hardest hit by the pandemic? Why would we start exporting vaccines to other countries when the virus is still spreading uncontrolled here? And with a new variant in Texas as well.

If there were vaccines US wasn't using, like AZ for example, maybe send them along to India, maybe?

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Choco posted...

maybe if you stopped talking about the country you happen to live in in first person like a fucking weirdo you wouldn't have to take everything personally @Broseph_Stalin

Weird post. Sounds like you're taking criticism of obviously bad journalism a little too personally.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Weird post. Sounds like you're taking criticism of obviously bad journalism a little too personally.

or maybe i just don't like nationalist rhetoric

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Choco posted...

or maybe i just don't like nationalist rhetoric

Pointing out disingenuous media narratives is nationalist rhetoric now lmao

Hating the US is not a personality btw, you should get a real one

Mr_Rian posted...

I wonder what the second most populous is? With more than 3 times the population of the US, maybe?

If there were vaccines US wasn't using, like AZ for example, maybe send them along to India, maybe?

I believe we sent them or at least some of them to Mexico. We should be helping out Mexico and then other Central and South American countries before we help India anyway.

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Gamerguymass posted...

I believe we sent them or at least some of them to Mexico. We should be helping out Mexico and then other Central and South American countries before we help India anyway.

The EU has sent more to Mexico than we have

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

Pointing out disingenuous media narratives is nationalist rhetoric now lmao

nope, but does this look familiar to you:
a person who strongly identifies with their own nation and vigorously supports its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Hating the US is not a personality btw, you should get a real one

i don't hate usa more than any other country and if you were able to differentiate between yourself (a human being) and your country (a country) you wouldn't have to care

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So America First?

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Last July, during the presidential campaign, Joe Biden promised the universal health care advocate Ady Barkan that he wouldnt let intellectual property laws stand in the way of worldwide access to coronavirus vaccines.

The World Health Organization is leading an unprecedented global effort to promote international cooperation in the search for Covid-19 treatments and vaccines, said Barkan. But Donald Trump has refused to join that effort, cutting America off from the rest of the world. If the U.S. discovers a vaccine first, will you commit to sharing that technology with other countries, and will you ensure there are no patents to stand in the way of other countries and companies mass-producing those lifesaving vaccines?

Biden was unequivocal. It lacks any human dignity, what were doing, he said of Trumps vaccine isolationism. So the answer is yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And its not only a good thing to do, its overwhelmingly in our interest to do.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/23/opinion/global-vaccine-patents.html

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pogo_rabid posted...

Biden was complicit during Obama's war crimes, since when did he ever show he values life outside of low effort platitudes?

What war crimes were those?

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India should help themselves more

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