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Slaya4 04/23/21 12:18:25 AM #1:	"You're an engineer go figure it out" Imagine paying somebody $10,000 for them to tell you to teach yourself. --- Am I going too hard? <cite>Slaya4 posted [p:953131445] in Gatekeepin... [t:79420186]...</cite> <quote>"You're an engineer go figure it out" Imagine paying somebody $10,000 for them to tell you to teach yourself. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkmaian23 04/23/21 12:47:18 AM #2:	What's the context? You do get the rare parasite in STEM classes that understands nothing and tries to trick the teacher and fellow classmates into doing the work for them. <cite>darkmaian23 posted [p:953132089] in Gatekeepin... [t:79420186]...</cite> <quote>What's the context? You do get the rare parasite in STEM classes that understands nothing and tries to trick the teacher and fellow classmates into doing the work for them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Slaya4 04/23/21 1:48:29 AM #4:	darkmaian23 posted... What's the context? You do get the rare parasite in STEM classes that understands nothing and tries to trick the teacher and fellow classmates into doing the work for them. "Uh Professor, I'm unsure about that one theorem that I'll never see again in my life after this class. Could you just clarify that one more time?" "I don't have time, you're an engineer you have to figure it out." My favorite one is "This is your first class learning Python. Next class, I expect you create a code that convolutes a step function and a ramp function. I'm not going to teach you the basics of python. I'm going to sit here and watch you teach yourself. You're an engineer you have to figure this out" It's a meme at this point. And this attitude transfers over to alumni too that continues this annoying cycle. --- Am I going too hard? <cite>Slaya4 posted [p:953133341] in Gatekeepin... [t:79420186]...</cite> <quote>darkmaian23 posted... </cite> <quote>What's the context? You do get the rare parasite in STEM classes that understands nothing and tries to trick the teacher and fellow classmates into doing the work for them.</quote>"Uh Professor, I'm unsure about that one theorem that I'll never see again in my life after this class. Could you just clarify that one more time?" "I don't have time, you're an engineer you have to figure it out." My favorite one is "This is your first class learning Python. Next class, I expect you create a code that convolutes a step function and a ramp function. I'm not going to teach you the basics of python. I'm going to sit here and watch you teach yourself. You're an engineer you have to figure this out" It's a meme at this point. And this attitude transfers over to alumni too that continues this annoying cycle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordFarquad1312 04/23/21 1:50:56 AM #5:	lol, basically the reason I dropped out of my CS electives. --- El sexo sucio y el planeta limpio. "If you are tired of fear from links... Let Kirby's Nightmare protect you." <cite>LordFarquad1312 posted [p:953133387] in Gatekeepin... [t:79420186]...</cite> <quote>lol, basically the reason I dropped out of my CS electives. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slaya4 04/23/21 1:37:54 PM #6:	LordFarquad1312 posted... lol, basically the reason I dropped out of my CS electives. I shit you not, my final project for a digital circuit class was to create a CPU, but idefk how to create a test bench because the Professor just showed up to class and sat there doing nothing. And when a student asked for help he had hella attitude. Somehow it's legal for Professors/University to be in the business of pimping out in the open. --- Am I going too hard? <cite>Slaya4 posted [p:953147844] in Gatekeepin... [t:79420186]...</cite> <quote>LordFarquad1312 posted... </cite> <quote>lol, basically the reason I dropped out of my CS electives.</quote> I shit you not, my final project for a digital circuit class was to create a CPU, but idefk how to create a test bench because the Professor just showed up to class and sat there doing nothing. And when a student asked for help he had hella attitude. Somehow it's legal for Professors/University to be in the business of pimping out in the open. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/23/21 1:48:59 PM #7:	People learn far better when forced to spend time trying to figure out things for themselves rather than just being handed information, particularly in practical scientific programming. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:953148273] in Gatekeepin... [t:79420186]...</cite> <quote>People learn far better when forced to spend time trying to figure out things for themselves rather than just being handed information, particularly in practical scientific programming. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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COVxy 04/23/21 2:22:12 PM #9:	CalypsoDoom posted... I do agree with this as well, but in some situations this can be incredibly dangerous. I just think calling this gatekeeping is missing what is usually the point. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:953149407] in Gatekeepin... [t:79420186]...</cite> <quote>CalypsoDoom posted... </cite> <quote>I do agree with this as well, but in some situations this can be incredibly dangerous.</quote> I just think calling this gatekeeping is missing what is usually the point. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slaya4 04/23/21 2:23:19 PM #10:	COVxy posted... People learn far better when forced to spend time trying to figure out things for themselves rather than just being handed information, particularly in practical scientific programming. Imagine I pay you $10,000 to teach me how to draw. Then you turn around and go to sleep for our time. --- Am I going too hard? <cite>Slaya4 posted [p:953149442] in Gatekeepin... [t:79420186]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted... </cite> <quote>People learn far better when forced to spend time trying to figure out things for themselves rather than just being handed information, particularly in practical scientific programming.</quote> Imagine I pay you $10,000 to teach me how to draw. Then you turn around and go to sleep for our time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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COVxy 04/23/21 2:30:18 PM #12:	Conflict posted... This doesn't make any sense Makes perfect sense. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:953149659] in Gatekeepin... [t:79420186]...</cite> <quote>Conflict posted... </cite> <quote>This doesn't make any sense</quote> Makes perfect sense. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AtelierRyza3462 04/23/21 2:31:09 PM #13:	You expect to be taught for free? Lol --- Now Playing: Atelier Ryza 2 / Outer Worlds /// https://imgur.com/tNNXYaz https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMeArmMVf/ / https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMeDNHwmu/ - pon/pone <cite>AtelierRyza3462 posted [p:953149687] in Gatekeepin... [t:79420186]...</cite> <quote>You expect to be taught for free? Lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Dream87 04/23/21 2:32:25 PM #14:	COVxy posted... People learn far better when forced to spend time trying to figure out things for themselves rather than just being handed information, particularly in practical scientific programming. Found our bean dad --- Peace Love Dope <cite>Blue_Dream87 posted [p:953149739] in Gatekeepin... [t:79420186]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted... </cite> <quote>People learn far better when forced to spend time trying to figure out things for themselves rather than just being handed information, particularly in practical scientific programming.</quote> Found our bean dad </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 04/23/21 2:32:58 PM #15:	LordFarquad1312 posted... lol, basically the reason I dropped out of my CS electives. lol same, was spending one semester dissecting cadavers in A&P and setting up titrations in analytical chemistry, and my hardest course at the time was a basic computer programing course with a teacher who 'taught' by turning on a projector and ignoring us for an hour... --- Taarsidath-an halsaam. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:953149761] in Gatekeepin... [t:79420186]...</cite> <quote>LordFarquad1312 posted... </cite> <quote>lol, basically the reason I dropped out of my CS electives.</quote>lol same, was spending one semester dissecting cadavers in A&P and setting up titrations in analytical chemistry, and my hardest course at the time was a basic computer programing course with a teacher who 'taught' by turning on a projector and ignoring us for an hour... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 04/23/21 2:33:51 PM #16:	COVxy posted... People learn far better when forced to spend time trying to figure out things for themselves rather than just being handed information, particularly in practical scientific programming. What youre trying to say is: People learn far better having actual guidance and then applying what they learn immediately to retain than being forced to troubleshoot on their own with little guidance. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:953149790] in Gatekeepin... [t:79420186]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted... </cite> <quote>People learn far better when forced to spend time trying to figure out things for themselves rather than just being handed information, particularly in practical scientific programming.</quote> What youre trying to say is: People learn far better having actual guidance and then applying what they learn immediately to retain than being forced to troubleshoot on their own with little guidance. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BigTee66 04/23/21 2:34:27 PM #18:	I hate that style of "teaching". Youre better off getting certifications from online bootcamps --- MSI MAG Z490 Tomahawk \| i7 10700k \| ASUS ROG GeForce GTX 1070 \| 16GB DDR4 x 2 \| EVGA 650W \| Inwin 703 Black \| ...people still do these sigs? Steam: teeman92 <cite>BigTee66 posted [p:953149807] in Gatekeepin... [t:79420186]...</cite> <quote>I hate that style of "teaching". Youre better off getting certifications from online bootcamps </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheMikh 04/23/21 2:34:34 PM #19:	to play the devil's advocate, learning to identify, describe, and solve problems is a pretty important skill in the industry employers are going to be very reluctant to hold you hand on anything that does not pertain to in-house architecture or best practices with respect to dealing with it (for lack of better words) however, not lending a helping hand in undergraduate academics is unthinkable, and perhaps indicative of a deficient cs program --- https://imgur.com/A0TAfek <cite>TheMikh posted [p:953149816] in Gatekeepin... [t:79420186]...</cite> <quote>to play the devil's advocate, learning to identify, describe, and solve problems is a pretty important skill in the industry employers are going to be very reluctant to hold you hand on anything that does not pertain to in-house architecture or best practices with respect to dealing with it (for lack of better words) however, not lending a helping hand in undergraduate academics is unthinkable, and perhaps indicative of a deficient cs program </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 04/23/21 2:37:43 PM #20:	COVxy posted... People learn far better when forced to spend time trying to figure out things for themselves rather than just being handed information, particularly in practical scientific programming. I agree to a certain extent; however, some teachers do take it too far. One of my professors would change his course book every quarter and it was a extremely half assed slap together compilation of articles, lessons, and badly done snipping of screenshots without a table of contents, page numbers, order, or reason for their placement. Hated that fucking professor. Only professor of my college experience I felt detracted from the university and should be fired for incompetence but he had tenure. He also threatened students after he got a very negative course review at the end of one of his classes. I also remember he made us watch a movie, then quiz questions were like What order did people walk into the room? What color was Mr. Joness tie Engineering professor btw <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:953149932] in Gatekeepin... [t:79420186]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>People learn far better when forced to spend time trying to figure out things for themselves rather than just being handed information, particularly in practical scientific programming. </quote> I agree to a certain extent; however, some teachers do take it too far. One of my professors would change his course book every quarter and it was a extremely half assed slap together compilation of articles, lessons, and badly done snipping of screenshots without a table of contents, page numbers, order, or reason for their placement. Hated that fucking professor. Only professor of my college experience I felt detracted from the university and should be fired for incompetence but he had tenure. He also threatened students after he got a very negative course review at the end of one of his classes. I also remember he made us watch a movie, then quiz questions were like What order did people walk into the room? What color was Mr. Joness tie Engineering professor btw</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheMikh 04/23/21 2:38:23 PM #21:	a counterpoint i picked up in my cs program was a little allegory offered by a professor, which i've come to refer to as "the bruce hierarchy" in a nutshell, when encountering a problem you can't solve, consulting with increasingly proficient students to see if they can help you first, before finally resorting to consulting with "bruce", the most proficient student (or alternately the professor). --- https://imgur.com/A0TAfek <cite>TheMikh posted [p:953149950] in Gatekeepin... [t:79420186]...</cite> <quote>a counterpoint i picked up in my cs program was a little allegory offered by a professor, which i've come to refer to as "the bruce hierarchy" in a nutshell, when encountering a problem you can't solve, consulting with increasingly proficient students to see if they can help you first, before finally resorting to consulting with "bruce", the most proficient student (or alternately the professor). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/23/21 2:38:39 PM #22:	Conflict posted... How do people learn better by stumbling around instead of being informed and pointed in the right direction I understand with programming you're going to be spending time experimenting once you have a grasp on concepts but that isn't what TC is talking about I don't buy for even a second that there exists a class where the professor literally just occupies space with a bunch of undergrads. Never seen this, never heard of this. I have, however, taken practical programming classes that had the first half of the class be lecture about both theory and generic implementation, then the second half be time to program and complete labs, where you could obviously ask for help, but you couldn't ask the professor or TAs to complete the assignment for you. I have, in fact, implemented this type of training in actual lab settings which has been very successful. shrug --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:953149960] in Gatekeepin... [t:79420186]...</cite> <quote>Conflict posted... </cite> <quote>How do people learn better by stumbling around instead of being informed and pointed in the right direction I understand with programming you're going to be spending time experimenting once you have a grasp on concepts but that isn't what TC is talking about</quote> I don't buy for even a second that there exists a class where the professor literally just occupies space with a bunch of undergrads. Never seen this, never heard of this. I have, however, taken practical programming classes that had the first half of the class be lecture about both theory and generic implementation, then the second half be time to program and complete labs, where you could obviously ask for help, but you couldn't ask the professor or TAs to complete the assignment for you. I have, in fact, implemented this type of training in actual lab settings which has been very successful. shrug </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Slaya4 04/23/21 2:47:09 PM #24:	My best programming Professor at a CC set the standard incredibly well that I thought every CS programmed followed. He put on a projector and coded with us line by line and explained every single thing in spectacular detail. After a hour of that, we would have little class projects that he actively engaged with us. It was beautiful. I learned a lot. I loved programming. Sadly, I came quick to realize that not everybody who wants to be a Professor is meant to be a Professor. --- Am I going too hard? <cite>Slaya4 posted [p:953150258] in Gatekeepin... [t:79420186]...</cite> <quote>My best programming Professor at a CC set the standard incredibly well that I thought every CS programmed followed. He put on a projector and coded with us line by line and explained every single thing in spectacular detail. After a hour of that, we would have little class projects that he actively engaged with us. It was beautiful. I learned a lot. I loved programming. Sadly, I came quick to realize that not everybody who wants to be a Professor is meant to be a Professor. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FuriousFox 04/23/21 3:01:19 PM #25:	Slaya4 posted... Sadly, I came quick to realize that not everybody who wants to be a Professor is meant to be a Professor. Most university professors do not want to be professors. The money is in research, but they're usually required to teach classes as well. --- What the hell, when did GameFAQs clear my signature and quote? <cite>FuriousFox posted [p:953150754] in Gatekeepin... [t:79420186]...</cite> <quote>Slaya4 posted... </cite> <quote>Sadly, I came quick to realize that not everybody who wants to be a Professor is meant to be a Professor.</quote>Most university professors do not want to be professors. The money is in research, but they're usually required to teach classes as well. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gwynevere 04/23/21 3:10:23 PM #28:	Professors that just throw you in the deep end are the worst. It's generally been my engineering teachers that are the worst about this, while physics and math teachers have been much more helpful Letting students figure things out on their own is great, but you need to give someone a toolbox if you expect them to build you a birdhouse --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:953151049] in Gatekeepin... [t:79420186]...</cite> <quote>Professors that just throw you in the deep end are the worst. It's generally been my engineering teachers that are the worst about this, while physics and math teachers have been much more helpful Letting students figure things out on their own is great, but you need to give someone a toolbox if you expect them to build you a birdhouse </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slaya4 04/23/21 3:23:23 PM #29:	ImAMarvel posted... Yeah, I'm really hoping my place is going to have a professor like this. One thing I've noticed about programming is that it's full of people who basically tell you to just go fuck off and figure shit out on your own. I'm bitching and complaining, but don't worry you'll be alright. Get a few buddies and keep it going. One thing I've noticed, Professors are predominantly useless and really good ones are far and few between. You actually learn from your peers. Check ratemyprofessor and get the good ones while they are hot. Get acquainted with Youtube University. If you fail a class don't be ashamed and fuck anybody that tries to shame you for it. Cs get degrees. There are A LOT of people that lack social skills at an alarming rate. Don't be that student that takes it competitively and is unwilling to help your peers out. I cannot stress enough that you have learn how to communicate effectively well in field. So don't be a bozo that isolates yourself and tries to make it into a competition. Share your knowledge. If you're black, know that your opinion is always going to counted last. Don't get discouraged by that and let them mfers know you belong there. --- Am I going too hard? <cite>Slaya4 posted [p:953151485] in Gatekeepin... [t:79420186]...</cite> <quote>ImAMarvel posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah, I'm really hoping my place is going to have a professor like this. One thing I've noticed about programming is that it's full of people who basically tell you to just go fuck off and figure shit out on your own.</quote> I'm bitching and complaining, but don't worry you'll be alright. Get a few buddies and keep it going. One thing I've noticed, Professors are predominantly useless and really good ones are far and few between. You actually learn from your peers. Check ratemyprofessor and get the good ones while they are hot. Get acquainted with Youtube University. If you fail a class don't be ashamed and fuck anybody that tries to shame you for it. Cs get degrees. There are A LOT of people that lack social skills at an alarming rate. Don't be that student that takes it competitively and is unwilling to help your peers out. I cannot stress enough that you have learn how to communicate effectively well in field. So don't be a bozo that isolates yourself and tries to make it into a competition. Share your knowledge. If you're black, know that your opinion is always going to counted last. Don't get discouraged by that and let them mfers know you belong there. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Turtlebread 04/23/21 3:28:42 PM #30:	The only reason I have a masters degree in electrical eng is because I sat next to a really smart asian guy for my lab assignments lol university --- https://imgur.com/yCW15Zn <cite>Turtlebread posted [p:953151657] in Gatekeepin... [t:79420186]...</cite> <quote>The only reason I have a masters degree in electrical eng is because I sat next to a really smart asian guy for my lab assignments lol university </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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