Current Events > if Chauvin were black and Floyd were white, this trial would last 4 hours

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chauvin would have been found guilty of murder immediately

whats even worse is that many people deny this fact

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why does it matter what would happen in some made up situation?

this is not a straightforward case with straightforward charges. It's complicated, and should take some time.

Fam_Fam posted...

why does it matter what would happen in some made up situation?

this is not a straightforward case with straightforward charges. It's complicated, and should take some time.

kneeling on someone's neck until they die is not a complicated case

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Fam_Fam posted...

why does it matter what would happen in some made up situation?

this is not a straightforward case with straightforward charges. It's complicated, and should take some time.

u sound like a closet racist.

TC has a very valid point.

Bananana posted...

kneeling on someone's neck until they die is not a complicated case

Have you watched any of the trial?

Bananana posted...

kneeling on someone's neck until they die is not a complicated case

there are different charges they are considering, and the criteria for proving either is not immediately straightforward

Fam_Fam posted...

why does it matter what would happen in some made up situation?

this is not a straightforward case with straightforward charges. It's complicated, and should take some time.

So what exactly do you find complicated about this case?

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ohiostate124 posted...

Have you watched any of the trial?

yes i've watched the semantics circus show dancing around all the ways to say "it's okay that he kneeled on floyd's neck until he died"

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Fam_Fam posted...

why does it matter what would happen in some made up situation?

this is not a straightforward case with straightforward charges. It's complicated, and should take some time.

its pretty fucking simple bro lmao

found the trump voter

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ScazarMeltex posted...

So what exactly do you find complicated about this case?

murder vs. manslaughter is the main thing. the actual COD (was it heart issues or suffocation) complicates a thing. Would it be considered premeditated? To what extent is the choke hold within / outside of established protocol/common practice. To what extent would it be reasonable for Chauvin to expect his behavior to lead to death (without knowing Floyd's health conditions ahead of time)? what is the boundary between this death being accidental/intentional and where does this fall between the two? What is the evidence pointing in either direction and is there sufficient evidence to upgrade to the greater charger? Was this an issue of malintent, or an accident due to negligence? Is there evidence that race played a factor in his decision-making at any point?

to make a decision as a juror, you need to discuss every single one of these questions and come up with a unanimous answer across the board in terms of which charge is appropriate given all of those answers. That is not straightforward.

Police blood runs blue all around. He'd walk

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OJ?

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VigorouslySwish posted...

its pretty fucking simple bro lmao

found the trump voter

Fam_Fam posted...

murder vs. manslaughter is the main thing. the actual COD (was it heart issues or suffocation) complicates a thing. Would it be considered premeditated? To what extent is the choke hold within / outside of established protocol/common practice. To what extent would it be reasonable for Chauvin to expect his behavior to lead to death (without knowing Floyd's health conditions ahead of time)? what is the boundary between this death being accidental/intentional and where does this fall between the two? What is the evidence pointing in either direction and is there sufficient evidence to upgrade to the greater charger? Was this an issue of malintent, or an accident due to negligence? Is there evidence that race played a factor in his decision-making at any point?

to make a decision as a juror, you need to discuss every single one of these questions and come up with a unanimous answer across the board in terms of which charge is appropriate given all of those answers. That is not straightforward.

see my post. It's not as straightforward as "cop man bad. he killed guy. guilty!". You need to use some critical thinking on every point if you're an actual juror, not click on a poll option as one does on a message board.

Bananana posted...

yes i've watched the semantics circus show dancing around all the ways to say "it's okay that he kneeled on floyd's neck until he died"

Did you watch the part where the police chief and the other officer witness admitted that from the body camera angle, it appeared that his knee wasnt actually on his neck? You know this is complicated but you are just not willing to admit it.

ohiostate124 posted...

Did you watch the part where the police chief and the other officer witness admitted that from the body camera angle, it appeared that his knee wasnt actually on his neck? You know this is complicated but you are just not willing to admit it.

nope its straightforward and you are not allowed to use any actual thought. Do you think cops are bad or not?

Fam_Fam posted...

this is not a straightforward case with straightforward charges

why does gamefaqs allow trolls again?

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ohiostate124 posted...

Did you watch the part where the police chief and the other officer witness admitted that from the body camera angle, it appeared that his knee wasnt actually on his neck? You know this is complicated but you are just not willing to admit it.

i am shocked that chauvin's coworkers defended him that is absolutely game-changing you are right

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Bananana posted...

yes i've watched the semantics circus show dancing around all the ways to say "it's okay that he kneeled on floyd's neck until he died"

until 3 minutes after he died*

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america having a real tough time deciding whether their cops are allowed to be judge, jury, and executioner

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There really isn't a way to justify Chauvin being on Floyd's neck for just over 3 minutes after he stopped breathing.

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I Like Toast posted...

why does gamefaqs allow trolls again?

i don't know, but you should stop it. Please read my post where I explain the complications involved for a juror who is trying this case. These things in the real world are not as simple as message board aficionados like to think they are.

CableZL posted...

There really isn't a way to justify Chauvin being on Floyd's neck for just over 3 minutes after he stopped breathing.

i'm sure people will find a way...

The defense had the nerve to ask "Well what if EMS started providing aid right away?"

Oh, you mean when they prevented the off-duty firefighter from providing aid? Or when the on-duty EMS arrived with the ambulance and Chauvin was still on his neck? They're supposed to start resuscitating him with people still putting their body weight on him? What part of training is that?

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No one would even know about it

Bananana posted...

i am shocked that chauvin's coworkers defended him that is absolutely game-changing you are right

These were the prosecutions witnesses but ok. Maybe the prosecution is just that incompetent.