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Blue_Inigo
04/19/21 11:59:09 PM
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The same weird ass "dEeP lOrE" reasons people love Nier and Automata are very similar to the reasons people like Kingdom Hearts tbh. Both have a billion layers to their plot. Nier (and Drakengard by extension) is just edgier about it. I swear these two series are just two sides of the same coin. Nomura went with naive optimism while Taro went with oppressive nihilism for his story. These two series have a lot more in common than you'd think.

Think about it. I'm not wrong.

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_BIueMonk
04/20/21 12:00:21 AM
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ok but i dont remember Sora wearing.... THAT

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gamer167
04/20/21 12:00:37 AM
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slmcknett
04/20/21 12:00:43 AM
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i mean it's a sqaure enix jrpg

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g0ldie
04/20/21 12:00:47 AM
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this reads like a YouTube comment

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coh
04/20/21 12:01:46 AM
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Is Nier really that deep or is that just what nerds want to believe
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ManicPlumber77
04/20/21 12:01:46 AM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
The same weird ass "dEeP lOrE" reasons people love Nier and Automata are very similar to the reasons people like Kingdom Hearts tbh. Both have a billion layers to their plot. Nier (and Drakengard by extension) is just edgier about it. I swear these two series are just two sides of the same coin. Nomura went with naive optimism while Taro went with oppressive nihilism for his story. These two series have a lot more in common than you'd think.

Think about it. I'm not wrong.
NieR: Mankind has long since passed due to their own folly, and the remnants of their mistakes still haunt us to this day. We strive for peace, but we're not quite sure what that looks like.

KH: KINGDOM HEARTS OF DARKNESS OF HEARTS OF HEARTS OF DARKNESS KINGDOMS OF DARKNESS HEARTS

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ChrisTaka
04/20/21 12:02:34 AM
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Td;lr if a game has deep lore it's probably kingdom hearts


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DeadlyNinjaBees
04/20/21 12:04:15 AM
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KH doesn't really have "lore" just poorly thought design choices with narratives pooped in between aesthetic choices.

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Blue_Inigo
04/20/21 12:04:28 AM
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ManicPlumber77 posted...
NieR: Mankind has long since passed due to their own folly, and the remnants of their mistakes still haunt us to this day. We strive for peace, but we're not quite sure what that looks like.

KH: KINGDOM HEARTS OF DARKNESS OF HEARTS OF HEARTS OF DARKNESS KINGDOMS OF DARKNESS HEARTS
I can be as reductive about Nier too

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Blue_Inigo
04/20/21 12:05:58 AM
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DeadlyNinjaBees posted...
KH doesn't really have "lore" just poorly thought design choices with narratives pooped in between aesthetic choices.
It has hella lore lol

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ManicPlumber77
04/20/21 12:06:01 AM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
I can be as reductive about Nier too
Bruh, that's literally ansem's dialogue from the first game.
Like, not exactly, but pretty damn close.
The villain. The person you spend the whole game building up to, gives you a cheeseball-ass speech and repeats the word darkness like, 80 times during an unskippable cutscene.

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DeadlyNinjaBees
04/20/21 12:09:34 AM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
It has hella lore lol
Latin words aren't lore, SE. Also, it really is just there to make an excuse for Disney worlds to collide with whatever the hell is going on in Sora's world. It's no better lore wise than a King of Fighter's Dream Match title.

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teep_
04/20/21 12:10:09 AM
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https://youtu.be/sBbCXfj0Sao
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R_Jackal
04/20/21 12:10:31 AM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
It has hella lore lol
I mean if you care about all the borderline non-canon shit, it does. Most of the "lore" events on Kingdom Hearts actually have absolutely no impact on anything going on, or are glossed over in a few minutes. Or they exist for the mobile game that is dying(dead?) considering that fuckin' mess is canon.

Meanwhile, even joke endings have legit consequences in Drakengard--hell, it's the entire reason Nier exists.
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Xavier_On_High
04/20/21 12:10:44 AM
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Nier really isn't that complicated though. Its just a fairly typical Dying Earth plot, with weeb s*** thrown in for good measure.

Kingdom Hearts, on the other hand, is wilfully impenetrable. It doesn't want to be understood. Kingdom Hearts is the sexy teenager in a horror movie, throwing furniture in the path of us, the axe murderer/audience, to stop us from catching up to it.

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ChrisTaka
04/20/21 12:12:52 AM
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Xavier_On_High posted...
Nier really isn't that complicated though

lol

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Strider102
04/20/21 12:15:47 AM
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"Kaine...Kaine is inside me?"

"I know all that there is to know."

"Whoever you are, let Daddy Nier go, give him back his heart!"

"But first, you must give Kaine back her heart!"

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Garioshi
04/20/21 12:18:57 AM
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remember that time drakengard 1 caim's sister wanted to hug (fuck) him and killed herself when he rejected her
good times

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Polycosm
04/20/21 12:27:03 AM
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Nier's writing may be amateurish, but the reason people love it is because the medium is the message.

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slmcknett
04/20/21 12:33:17 AM
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DeadlyNinjaBees posted...
it really is just there to make an excuse for Disney worlds to collide with whatever the hell is going on in Sora's world.
even then that barely happens anymore since disney is so protective of their newer properties. sora and the main plot can barely interact with anyone in the disney worlds anymore.

R_Jackal posted...
Most of the "lore" events on Kingdom Hearts actually have absolutely no impact on anything going on, or are glossed over in a few minutes. Or they exist for the mobile game that is dying(dead?) considering that fuckin' mess is canon.
the thing about KH lore is that there's a ton of it, but handfuls of it can just be ignored by the next game because it gets overwritten and rendered obsolete with whatever the new story's about. there's barely any point anymore in keeping track of stuff because it likely won't matter in the immediate next game.

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Kisai
04/20/21 12:41:49 AM
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ManicPlumber77 posted...
Bruh, that's literally ansem's dialogue from the first game.
No it isn't.
Like, not exactly, but pretty damn close.
Then it's not "literally", or more accurately, verbatim.
The villain. The person you spend the whole game building up to, gives you a cheeseball-ass speech and repeats the word darkness like, 80 times during an unskippable cutscene.
Also, KH1's writing was fine. Go look at post-KH1 writing if you want to tear it apart. Specifically KH2.

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BakonBitz
04/20/21 12:44:26 AM
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You're gonna have to go into specifics because I have no idea what you see as a comparison.

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R_Jackal
04/20/21 12:46:20 AM
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BakonBitz posted...
You're gonna have to go into specifics because I have no idea what you see as a comparison.
Probably just drawing comparisons between Shades and Heartless.
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BakonBitz
04/20/21 12:48:18 AM
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R_Jackal posted...
Probably just drawing comparisons between Shades and Heartless.
Actually...maybe.

I'm not mad at the comparison I just didn't see it.

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MaxEffingBemis
04/20/21 8:05:27 AM
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I personally loved the existential philosophy aspect of Automata.

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gunplagirl
04/20/21 8:08:06 AM
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ChrisTaka posted...
Td;lr if a game has deep lore it's probably kingdom hearts
Kingdom Hearts is just the dark souls of deep lore

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Scarecrow17
04/20/21 8:26:06 AM
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ChrisTaka posted...
lol

Hes right. At least compared to Kingdom Hearts. Most people can grasp whats going on in NieR. Good luck following the Kingdom Hearts plot and not laughing at how ridiculously stupid it becomes.

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HaVeNII7
04/20/21 8:29:54 AM
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Nier has significantly better writing than most games.

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Chad-Henne
04/20/21 8:34:04 AM
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KnightofShikari
04/20/21 8:37:12 AM
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HaVeNII7 posted...
Nier has significantly better writing than most games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VL7_2HC2u6A

but for real yeah it's pretty good

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ChrisTaka
04/20/21 9:53:09 AM
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Scarecrow17 posted...
Hes right. At least compared to Kingdom Hearts. Most people can grasp whats going on in NieR. Good luck following the Kingdom Hearts plot and not laughing at how ridiculously stupid it becomes.

It's not really what's going on I'm talking about and more of the main message the game is trying to portray.

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Kloe_Rinz
04/20/21 10:27:38 AM
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coh posted...
Is Nier really that deep or is that just what nerds want to believe
Its a good game with a good story and shitposting like this doesnt prove anything or make you look cool
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Gurifisu
04/20/21 11:19:12 PM
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Yeah, but Yoko Taro is cooler than Nomura so he gets a free pass
https://youtu.be/fDo_k69bdxw

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Scarecrow17
04/21/21 12:35:25 AM
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ChrisTaka posted...
It's not really what's going on I'm talking about and more of the main message the game is trying to portray.

Still stands.

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Blue_Inigo
04/22/21 12:21:16 PM
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They're pretty similar

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ViewtifulGrave
04/22/21 12:49:57 PM
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KH isnt even hard to understand. People tend to skip games for one reason or another and then complain.

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Seaman_Prime
04/22/21 1:49:26 PM
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I mean yeah it really is lol you play as a Nobody and the villain is your Heartless
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R_Jackal
04/22/21 2:36:11 PM
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ViewtifulGrave posted...
KH isnt even hard to understand. People tend to skip games for one reason or another and then complain.
The thing that makes KH hard to understand is trying to decipher what actually matters to the story. The answer compared to the info we're given us usually not very much.
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Blue_Inigo
04/22/21 2:37:27 PM
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Kingdom Hearts is confusing because as the series continued, more and more big answers were in post launch interviews rather than the actual game. That's really annoying.

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