Poll of the Day > in harry potter movie 3, was it ever explained why lupin had dumbledors office

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when lupin is teaching harry the patronus magic, they're in dumbles office, but it's empty.

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and when peter transforms back into human, he is wearing clothes

but when he goes back into a rat, his clothes just drop on the ground

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Metalsonic66 posted...

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Honestly there are all KINDS of questions about how magic works in Harry Potter

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sVgVB3qsySQ
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Metalsonic66 posted...

Honestly there are all KINDS of questions about how magic works in Harry Potter

yes and most of them can be answered with "it's bad writing"

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Kanatteru posted...

yes and most of them can be answered with "it's bad writing"

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the 3rd movie in particular doesnt seem to give a fuck about any type of continuity or consistency. Funny enough, it probably the only good movie of the series

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Kanatteru posted...

yes and most of them can be answered with "it's bad writing"

as far as movies go, the screenwriting is terrible.

as far as books, I wouldnt call it bad writing. Id call it just go with the flow and suspend your disbelief a little bit. I wouldnt call it anything unforgivable

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The only real complaint I have with the books is that by the end of the series, we have the main characters using fuckin disarm and paralyze spells against grown adults who are firing literal killing and torture curses back at them

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Metalsonic66 posted...

the old dungeon and dragon's carton Nice!
one of the cartoon i used to watch back in the old day's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JjhQ1Oi_3k
Saturday morning in the 80s: 4 hours of non-stop awesome cartoons... what a time it was.

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FrozenBananas posted...

The only real complaint I have with the books is that by the end of the series, we have the main characters using fuckin disarm and paralyze spells against grown adults who are firing literal killing and torture curses back at them

They do acknowledge this though. Harry Potter allegedly becomes famous for using disarming magic.

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Blightzkrieg posted...

They do acknowledge this though. Harry Potter allegedly becomes famous for using disarming magic.

The good side doesn't curse!

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Blightzkrieg posted...

They do acknowledge this though. Harry Potter allegedly becomes famous for using disarming magic.

yeah in the last book he gives himself away when hes hiding among Order members (disguised as Harrys).

I think he started using them out of instinct at first, and then it basically became his trademark. I wonder if that was Rowling poking fun at it

all Im saying is they could have been a lot more creative. Maybe some bat bogey hexes every once in a while

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Yeah I think it becomes apparent by book ~5 that Rowling has no idea how the mechanics of a magic duel would actually work. It just turns into Star Wars style blaster fights.

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FrozenBananas posted...

the 3rd movie in particular doesnt seem to give a fuck about any type of continuity or consistency. Funny enough, it probably the only good movie of the series

Agree on the first half, disagree on the second half. I rewatched all the movies over a one month period a few months ago, and the third movie was easily the worst. It felt disjointed and aimless.

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Funny how these trends come in waves. For a while there it seemed like Prisoner of Azkaban was THE go-to Harry Potter movie.

And now its.. not.

Still MY favorite tho

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FrozenBananas posted...

as far as books, I wouldnt call it bad writing.

i would

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I always thought it was dumb that even the greatest wizards simply could not cast spells unless they had a stupid wand

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Kanatteru posted...

yes and most of them can be answered with "it's bad writing"

Most of them are literally just handwaved

Like, how sentient ARE the paintings and photos and enchanted objects? The paintings of the old headmasters seemed to have all the memories from when they were alive. But Harry's photos of his parents just smiled and waved. But then there was a magic mirror that made snarky comments about Harry's bangs?

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Metalsonic66 posted...

Like, how sentient ARE the paintings and photos and enchanted objects? The paintings of the old headmasters seemed to have all the memories from when they were alive. But Harry's photos of his parents just smiled and waved.

I read an apt comparison that magic photographs are basically holograms. You can have basic ones that just loop simple gestures like waving to full fledged ones that can be taught/"programmed" to interact and even allow portraits to cross over to one another. I think the books showed Dumbledore talking to his own portrait to teach it what he knows.

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The lamest and most nonsensical thing in the series I remember thinking was silly as a kid was the time-traveling device literally being used and forgotten about.

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Metalsonic66 posted...

Like, how sentient ARE the paintings and photos and enchanted objects? The paintings of the old headmasters seemed to have all the memories from when they were alive. But Harry's photos of his parents just smiled and waved. But then there was a magic mirror that made snarky comments about Harry's bangs?

there is a company that can animate photos now, even photos of dead people. they can make them wave and other gestures
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ReturnOfFa posted...

most nonsensical thing in the series

Why didn't Tom Riddle just teleport to Harry instead of letting the latter vault some tomb-stones, get to Cedric, and summon the Port-key his way? In fact, why didn't Tom just destroy the Port-key, which was like the entire crux of his plan?
How do four wand-less teenagers manage to get their wands back from six physically stronger teenagers?
How is it that six unqualified wizards manage to escape getting killed by eleven experienced masters in the art of murder and torture, some of whom are Azkaban's most wanted?
Why couldn't Dumbledore have just told Harry or just summoned Dobby to bring an extra cup before they went off to steal the Horcrux?
Why is it that Kreacher did not bother to rescue Regulus Black when the latter is fully aware that elf Disapparition does not possess that same flaw as wizard Disapparition, which is to say, that anybody using the latter can just track the user by clinging onto him or her?
Why is it that Tom Riddle does not just send Snape to investigate Grimmauld Place since the latter is now one of the twenty Secret-Keepers of Sirius' house? Instead, he just sends a bunch of goons with no access to the place whatsoever.
Lupin claims in the seventh book that he would have arrived at Grimmauld Place three days sooner if not for the Death Eater who had been tailing him. He later states that it is only possible to track wizards who Disapparate by clinging onto them, and it is later revealed that saying Tom Riddle's name aloud also acts as a beacon for Death Eaters to track people. So either Lupin is saying Tom Riddle's name every time he Disapparates or the Death Eater somehow just grabbed Lupin's arm every time the latter disappeared. If the latter, how is it that Lupin shakes him off every time for three days straight? If the former, why does he not just make the connection and tell the trio about it?
Why did Lupin and the three protagonists even consider Grimmauld Place a safe house, knowing that Snape can get in?
In Bagshot's house, when Nagini alerts Tom to Harry's presence, why is it that Tom Riddle does not just Apparate in at that very second? Instead, he just ``runs into the fetid bedroom'', watching Harry and Hermione Disapparate out the window.
How is it that two unqualified wizards and a house-elf manage to fend off two experienced killers, a fully-qualified witch, and a werewolf in time for them to make their escape?
How is it that the trio manage to escape Gringotts without any mortal injuries? Why is it that nobody who was trying to stop them escaping use the Clankers to stop the dragon spiriting off with them in tow?
Why is it that Tom Riddle insists on enlisting Death Eaters who are too stupid to tell the difference between a stag and a goat? Why does nobody call Tom for that; surely, not all of them are incapable of telling their animals apart?
The fact that a housewife manages to overpower Bellatrix.
The fact that the final showdown lasted less than a page.
Naming your kid after some bloke that hated you and made your life at Hogwarts miserable to the fullest extent of his ability.
The fact that Harry just puts the Elder Wand back in Dumbledore's grave, thinking all will be well, apparently ignoring the possibility that some Dark wizard might someday Disarm him, do some grave-robbing then become a major threat to the world with an unbeatable wand.
The fact that Disarming somebody alone makes the Disarmer the master of his or her victim's wand.
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ReturnOfFa posted...

The lamest and most nonsensical thing in the series I remember thinking was silly as a kid was the time-traveling device literally being used and forgotten about.

It wasnt forgotten about. They were all destroyed.

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idk i got kicked out of hogwarts for being trans in the middle of the second book. did they ever figure out who killed that cat

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Why did the Death Eaters even bother going through this chase scene in the Department of Mysteries, anyway? Lucius could have just summoned the prophecy from afar, and possibly non-verbally, as well, then Disapparated to Tom's side. Harry summoned his broomstick from about a mile away just hours after perfecting the Summoning Charm. There's no reason why Lucius couldn't have done the same with the prophecy. But instead, he just drawls, ``Very good, Potter. Now turn around, nice and slowly, and give that to me.''
When Harry is helping Hagrid put the fire out on his hut, the former tells the latter the name of the charm. And for some reason, Hagrid casts the spell perfectly to put out the fire. Why, then, does Flitwick's class need to practice the Aguamenti charm, if they can just say the words and cast it without any practice at all? I mean, unless I am missing something and Hagrid is some sort of hidden prodigy who never got to exercise his full capabilities because his academic career was prematurely cut short by Tom.
To append to that cave scene, Dumbledore could have also just conjured a second crystal goblet to save Harry the trouble of dealing with the Inferi.
It is also stupid that many of the Ministry of Magic employees never learned how to cast Protego properly.

Overall, the Death Eaters just seem like a joke for a cult whose members are, as Dumbledore described at the end of book five, "almost as terrible as [Tom]."

According to Hermione when she and Harry are tackling Snape's potion riddle in their first year, she says that ``many of the greatest wizards haven't got an ounce of logic'', so I guess this excuses most of the stupidity that I've pointed out so far. Still, you'd think that if this were the case, these wizards would be better off going to a Muggle school and obtaining this thing called ``common sense''. You'd think that this would be grounds for educational reform in Hogwarts.
I mean, there was a board of governors that Lucius was a part of, and constantly criticized Dumbledore's headmaster-ing. And Dumbledore had in fact received many angry letters from parents, as he intimated to Hagrid in his hut when the latter was outed for being half-giant. You'd think that Dumbledore would listen to constructive criticism instead of allowing his students to graduate with less common sense than ``many of the greatest wizards''.
Fudge tried to do this in the fifth book, but for the opposite reason: to keep the students as dumb as ignorant as possible, because he somehow fears that his entire legion of Aurors would lose to a bunch of teenagers. I get that he was being paranoid and irrational. But still, it doesn't excuse why these Death Eaters lose all their fights to the trio.
Also, where are all the Aurors in the final fight? There just Order members, Dumbledore's Army, and Death Eaters. Their absence from the final showdown is really odd.
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EclairReturns posted...

Why didn't Tom Riddle just teleport to Harry instead of letting the latter vault some tomb-stones, get to Cedric, and summon the Port-key his way? In fact, why didn't Tom just destroy the Port-key, which was like the entire crux of his plan?
How do four wand-less teenagers manage to get their wands back from six physically stronger teenagers?
How is it that six unqualified wizards manage to escape getting killed by eleven experienced masters in the art of murder and torture, some of whom are Azkaban's most wanted?
Why couldn't Dumbledore have just told Harry or just summoned Dobby to bring an extra cup before they went off to steal the Horcrux?
Why is it that two qualified wizards trained in the art of killing or torture lose to two unqualified wizards and Hermione? Thorfin and Rowle even had the element of surprise on their side and still lost.
Why is it that Kreacher did not bother to rescue Regulus Black when the latter is fully aware that elf Disapparition does not possess that same flaw as wizard Disapparition, which is to say, that anybody using the latter can just track the user by clinging onto him or her?
Why is it that Tom Riddle does not just send Snape to investigate Grimmauld Place since the latter is now one of the twenty odd Secret-Keepers of Sirius' house? Instead, he just sends a bunch of goons with no access to the place whatsoever.
Lupin claims in the seventh book that he would have arrived at Grimmauld Place three days sooner if not for the Death Eater who had been tailing him. He later states that it is only possible to track wizards who Disapparate by clinging onto them, and it is later revealed that saying Tom Riddle's name aloud also acts as a beacon for Death Eaters to track people. So either Lupin is saying Tom Riddle's name every time he Disapparates or the Death Eater somehow just grabbed Lupin's arm every time the latter disappeared. If the latter, how is it that Lupin shakes him off every time for three days straight? If the former, why does he not just make the connection and tell the trio about it?
Why did Lupin and the three protagonists even consider Grimmauld Place a safe house, knowing that Snape can get in?
In Bagshot's house, when Nagini alerts Tom to Harry's presence, why is it that Tom Riddle does not just Apparate in at that very second? Instead, he just ``runs into the fetid bedroom'', watching Harry and Hermione Disapparate out the window.
How is it that two unqualified wizards and a house-elf manage to fend off two experienced killers, a fully-qualified witch, and a werewolf in time for them to make their escape?
How is it that the trio manage to escape Gringotts without any mortal injuries? Why is it that nobody who was trying to stop them escaping use the Clankers to stop the dragon spiriting off with them in tow?
Why is it that Tom Riddle insists on enlisting Death Eaters who are too stupid to tell the difference between a stag and a goat? Why does nobody call Tom for that; surely, not all of them are incapable of telling their animals apart?
The fact that a housewife manages to overpower Bellatrix.
The fact that the final showdown lasted less than a page.
Naming your kid after some bloke that hated you and made your life at Hogwarts miserable to the fullest extent of his ability.
The fact that Harry just puts the Elder Wand back in Dumbledore's grave, thinking all will be well, apparently ignoring the possibility that some Dark wizard might someday Disarm him, do some grave-robbing then become a major threat to the world with an unbeatable wand.
The fact that Disarming somebody alone makes the Disarmer the master of his or her victim's wand.

Yep, I remember reading the 'final battle' and being quite disappointed. And found that the epilogue tied a giant crap bow on the end of it. The names of their children were like a hilarious joke. I didn't bother compiling a list like you, but yup. She's a children's author. I always found it intensely annoying in the books when the 3 main characters had their scheduled spat for 200 pages.

As the movies went on, I watched the 2nd to last one and thought it was pure trash. I didn't watch the last one and still haven't. I'm sure I will for a laugh at some point.

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EclairReturns posted...

Still, you'd think that if this were the case, these wizards would be better off going to a Muggle school and obtaining this thing called ``common sense''. You'd think that this would be grounds for educational reform in Hogwarts.
I mean, there was a board of governors that Lucius was a part of, and constantly criticized Dumbledore's headmaster-ing. And Dumbledore had in fact received many angry letters from parents, as he intimated to Hagrid in his hut when the latter was outed for being half-giant. You'd think that Dumbledore would listen to constructive criticism instead of allowing his students to graduate with less common sense than ``many of the greatest wizards''.
Fudge tried to do this in the fifth book, but for the opposite reason: to keep the students as dumb as ignorant as possible, because he somehow fears that his entire legion of Aurors would lose to a bunch of teenagers. I get that he was being paranoid and irrational. But still, it doesn't excuse why these Death Eaters lose all their fights to the trio.

Disregard this point. I don't think it has any ground.
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EclairReturns posted...

More stuff:

Why did the Death Eaters even bother going through this chase scene in the Department of Mysteries, anyway? Lucius could have just summoned the prophecy from afar, and possibly non-verbally, as well, then Disapparated to Tom's side. Harry summoned his broomstick from about a mile away just hours after perfecting the Summoning Charm. There's no reason why Lucius couldn't have done the same with the prophecy. But instead, he just drawls, ``Very good, Potter. Now turn around, nice and slowly, and give that to me.''
When Harry is helping Hagrid put the fire out on his hut, the former tells the latter the name of the charm. And for some reason, Hagrid casts the spell perfectly to put out the fire. Why, then, does Flitwick's class need to practice the Aguamenti charm, if they can just say the words and cast it without any practice at all? I mean, unless I am missing something and Hagrid is some sort of hidden prodigy who never got to exercise his full capabilities because his academic career was prematurely cut short by Tom.
To append to that cave scene, Dumbledore could have also just conjured a second crystal goblet to save Harry the trouble of dealing with the Inferi.
It is also stupid that many of the Ministry of Magic employees never learned how to cast Protego properly.

Overall, the Death Eaters just seem like a joke for a cult whose members are, as Dumbledore described at the end of book five, "almost as terrible as [Tom]."

According to Hermione when she and Harry are tackling Snape's potion riddle in their first year, she says that ``many of the greatest wizards haven't got an ounce of logic'', so I guess this excuses most of the stupidity that I've pointed out so far. Still, you'd think that if this were the case, these wizards would be better off going to a Muggle school and obtaining this thing called ``common sense''. You'd think that this would be grounds for educational reform in Hogwarts.
I mean, there was a board of governors that Lucius was a part of, and constantly criticized Dumbledore's headmaster-ing. And Dumbledore had in fact received many angry letters from parents, as he intimated to Hagrid in his hut when the latter was outed for being half-giant. You'd think that Dumbledore would listen to constructive criticism instead of allowing his students to graduate with less common sense than ``many of the greatest wizards''.
Fudge tried to do this in the fifth book, but for the opposite reason: to keep the students as dumb as ignorant as possible, because he somehow fears that his entire legion of Aurors would lose to a bunch of teenagers. I get that he was being paranoid and irrational. But still, it doesn't excuse why these Death Eaters lose all their fights to the trio.
Also, where are all the Aurors in the final fight? There just Order members, Dumbledore's Army, and Death Eaters. Their absence from the final showdown is really odd.

only the people who its about can remove it from its place on the cupboard, then he tried to do it when harry got it and failed.

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Did Eclair just come up with that many bullshit complaints lol wtf

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Do wizard schools teach real subjects? Like Hermione is really smart but can she even do algebra?
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GanonsSpirit posted...

Do wizard schools teach real subjects? Like Hermione is really smart but can she even do algebra?

Canonically no

They also don't have gym class

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

then he tried to do it when harry got it and failed

There's no reason why Lucius could not have just used a Super-Sensory Charm in the general area, waited for Harry to remove it from the shelf, then use Accio the moment the prophecy was off the shelf. Alternatively, he could have just Stunned the lot the moment that it was off the shelf, instead of announcing himself to the teenagers.
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Blightzkrieg posted...

Canonically no

They also don't have gym class

these books/movies are very inaccurate. judging by the food availability, there should be a lot more plus-size wizards and witches.

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Like half the male wizard population is neckbeards and fedoras

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EclairReturns posted...

True. But he could have just Stunned the lot and summoned the prophecy the moment that it was off the shelf, instead of announcing himself. In fact, I think he could have done a lot of other things with the element of surprise on his side.

Would have fallen and broken.

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FrozenBananas posted...

Did Eclair just come up with that many bullshit complaints lol wtf

Why are they bullshit?
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I didn't see it as Professor Dumbledore's office. I also don't recall the book ever mentioning it taking place there. I thought it was an empty classroom and that most of the professors' offices looked similar. If Professor Lupin had really been teaching the patronus charm in Professor Dumbledore's office, he probably got permission.

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fishy071 posted...

I didn't see it as Professor Dumbledore's office. I also don't recall the book ever mentioning it taking place there. I thought it was an empty classroom and that most of the professors' offices looked similar. If Professor Lupin had really been teaching the patronus charm in Professor Dumbledore's office, he probably got permission.

that was just the movie though

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PunishedOni posted...

idk i got kicked out of hogwarts for being trans in the middle of the second book. did they ever figure out who killed that cat

Lmao

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dumbledore's orifice

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fishy071 posted...

I didn't see it as Professor Dumbledore's office. I also don't recall the book ever mentioning it taking place there. I thought it was an empty classroom and that most of the professors' offices looked similar. If Professor Lupin had really been teaching the patronus charm in Professor Dumbledore's office, he probably got permission.

in the movie,

the office they're in is the same room that was dumbledores office in the first two movies

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here is movie 3

https://i.imgur.com/HIfd0rP.png

here is his office from movie 4

https://i.imgur.com/rO4DCTE.jpg

it's the same room

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I guess in the movie they wanted it to look 'cool'. In the book, if I recall, it's just a nondescript room somewhere in the castle

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in the book it's the history of magic classroom

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Blightzkrieg posted...

Canonically no

They also don't have gym class

wizards / witches seem to look down on any type of physical activity. Cursing another student is ok, but dont dare punch him in the face. You might get expelled

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...i mean yeah, it's like that in pretty much every school


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FrozenBananas posted...

The only real complaint I have with the books is that by the end of the series, we have the main characters using fuckin disarm and paralyze spells against grown adults who are firing literal killing and torture curses back at them

I've thought this forever. These kids (now adults) never learned the spells to defend themselves against the most evil wizard in history? I mean...they should want to kill this guy right?

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