Current Events > Casual genocide denial in Canadian elementary school workbook

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Jesus Christ.

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Pot, kettle, black etc

is genocide something they need to be teaching elementary students? why not leave it for highschool?

by the way, china throws you in prison for even bringing up their crimes. you'll be lucky if its just you they throw in prison as well

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7p23mA2VV0A

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Kloe_Rinz posted...

is genocide something they need to be teaching elementary students? why not leave it for highschool?

by the way, china throws you in prison for even bringing up their crimes. you'll be lucky if its just you they throw in prison as well

By 3rd grade they should be old enough to have the truth told about their nations accomplishments and sins. They seem to be old enough to get into fights and talk about pussy from what I heard from the little bastards outside.

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I bet TC think it's okay to show Full Metal Jacket to 5 year olds lol

Honestly I'd wait until they're past puberty before you deal with stuff like genocide to kids. They won't get it othertwise >_>

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Kloe_Rinz posted...

is genocide something they need to be teaching elementary students? why not leave it for highschool?

by the way, china throws you in prison for even bringing up their crimes. you'll be lucky if its just you they throw in prison as well

Then why make up nonsense? Just skip it entirely if they're too young for the truth.

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Serious Cat posted...

Then why make up nonsense? Just skip it entirely if they're too young for the truth.

true

Not every European was a homicidal maniac.

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NeonOctopus posted...

I bet TC think it's okay to show Full Metal Jacket to 5 year olds lol

Honestly I'd wait until they're past puberty before you deal with stuff like genocide to kids. They won't get it othertwise >_>

What is past puberty? Some start as early as 8 or 9 and continue to go through it in their late teens.

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Just because children might be too young to comprehend the horrors of colonialism doesnt mean you have to teach them some fairytale instead and hope they grow out of it later.

BurmesePenguin posted...

Just because children might be too young to comprehend the horrors of colonialism doesnt mean you have to teach them some fairytale instead and hope they grow out of it later.

Exactly.


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Doesn't TC downplay the concentration camps that China is currently running right now

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Kloe_Rinz posted...

is genocide something they need to be teaching elementary students?

Yes. Either teach it right or not at all(until they are old enough obvious just ignoring it entirely is horrific)

This kinda shit is how we get people who think Racism ended with MLK

You can give a less gruesome summary for younger kids but in a way that makes it clear that it was not happy, or mutually agreeable. That there was conflict and injustice.


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NeonOctopus posted...

I bet TC think it's okay to show Full Metal Jacket to 5 year olds lol

Honestly I'd wait until they're past puberty before you deal with stuff like genocide to kids. They won't get it othertwise >_>

and how the fuck does that mean they need to tell them lies? or is this you "trolling" about a serious subject again

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TC of all people complaining about genocide denial

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tc, youre right, but its hard for you to have a stance when you actively deny genocide yourself

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Doom_Art posted...

Doesn't TC downplay the concentration camps that China is currently running right now

In b4 "what concentration camps?"

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jeffhardyb0yz posted...

You dont even have to go past your own borders(if youre American). There are textbooks in the south that completely Minimize/glance over slavery. I know this because Ive read them

This is accurate. We celebrated Robert E Lee day there too.

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YourDrunkFather posted...

TC of all people complaining about genocide denial

This lmao

Did the First Nations people not agree to move to different land?

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This is a bait guys, don't fall for it.

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Kloe_Rinz posted...

is genocide something they need to be teaching elementary students?

Yes.

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Canadian native relations are a little different than American ones, at least back when settlement first started. Because there were so few European settlers, and New France was basically 100% dependent on the fur trade, relations with the early native peoples was actually really important.

Its not that the natives agreed to move somewhere else, so much as they were already settled elsewhere and were like, "yeah you can stay there I guess" and it was originally a plus for the natives, since they were able to get cool European stuff in exchange for furs (which the natives didn't see as nearly as valuable as the Europeans did)

Its not until well into people going over there and other native groups declining when the europeans started to expand more and become a majority. And then we get the awful treatments towards natives and stuff like residential schools.

But I don't like this little excerpt from the textbook, and if you talk about native issues in Canada, the issue should be on how we've mistreated them, and while that may focus more on recent history, the effects of residential schools are way more important (which could still be dumbed down for elementary school students) than early (what would be) Canadian settlers originally got along OK with the natives, because that stops, basically the second the settlers get the advantage.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

100% bait

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Crono99 posted...

I grew up in the canadian school system myself and I had no idea that anything bad happened until I was around 16 and started spending a lot of time online. In my mind up to that point the whole thing had just been a peaceful coexistence.

man that's so fucked

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Technically true. Obviously some missing steps.

Crono99 posted...

I'm no expert on history but given the boycott attempts of the 2010 olympics by natives I assume it's not that simple.

I grew up in the canadian school system myself and I had no idea that anything bad happened until I was around 16 and started spending a lot of time online. In my mind up to that point the whole thing had just been a peaceful coexistence. That's not the case at all.

See this for example:

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/slavery-of-indigenous-people-in-canada

Oh its definitely not this simple, but I think its also not as simple to just say our mistreatment of natives was always horrible.

I mean, its been horrible since settlers actually had the ability to, but those first 1-200 years or so when the population of New France was like, 12 people? Native relations then were critical. That doesn't mean that its more important than the last 200 years when we've been going out of our way to be horrible to native peoples, but I don't think its fair to say that we've horrible since minute 1, because that ignores some of the important context of how early Canadians were able to settle in the ****hole that was The Maritimes and Quebec.

Heck, the relationship between early settlers and the Wendat (Huron) is basically the reason there was a fur trade at all (because New French traders couldn't do ****)

There's definitely a failure of the Canadian school system, since I also had no idea anything bad happened with natives in Canada until like the 12th grade, and that wasn't even from a history class.

Crono99 posted...

I grew up in the canadian school system myself and I had no idea that anything bad happened until I was around 16 and started spending a lot of time online. In my mind up to that point the whole thing had just been a peaceful coexistence. That's not the case at all.

I grew up in the Canadian school system and I knew about what we did to the first nations by the time I was thirteen. Sucks for you that you had teachers that didn't teach you this.

I recognize this as being a Canadian curriculum work book you buy at stores. Its not actually from a school textbook. As someone who has kids in elementary school, they start teaching about residential schools and other atrocities really young. Like starting grade 1.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

is genocide something they need to be teaching elementary students? why not leave it for highschool?

by the way, china throws you in prison for even bringing up their crimes. you'll be lucky if its just you they throw in prison as well

You could say that they "pushed them out." You might not have to go into detail about genocide for such young audiences, but you can still admit that what happened was wrong.

Crono99 posted...

My history classes was like... Ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome, the Middle Ages... then we basically skipped entire centuries and talked about the history of Quebec from the 1950s to today and what different industries exist in different regions.

We did learn about the holocaust though.

I had a hippie teacher in grade five in particular that made sure to go outside the curriculum best she could and tell us about what happened to the Indigenous during the section of the course dealing with European explorers and the N.W.P.

Also had a couple of teachers in J.R High who brought up indigenous treatment by Canada. Trying to convince a class full of teenagers to empathize with them.

It's been awhile but my social studies classes dealt with things like Ancient Greece, Brazil, Japan, Canadian history from Quebec being colonized to the 1995 referendum (thanks Quebec for taking over Alberta social studies ), the "important" Canadian prime ministers, and looking back, very little about Alberta history lol. Might have to do with how "young" our province is.

Crono99 posted...

My history classes was like... Ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome, the Middle Ages... then we basically skipped entire centuries and talked about the history of Quebec from the 1950s to today and what different industries exist in different regions.

We did learn about the holocaust though.

Same, We did some ancient civ stuff, and basically European history up to colonization, but the Canadian history we learned basically started at WWI (even then it was like 60% Vimy Ridge)

Concentration camps were a 5th grade thing for me.

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So @Shablagoo should children be taught about the current genocide in china?

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Obvious bait topic.
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I'm not getting warned for this obvious bait again. Fully expect this to stay up as well, like all his other bait topics.

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Crono99 posted...

lol lol sorry about that.

I never had social studies class in school, though. Back when I was in school parents had to choose if their kids would be in social studies or catechism and my parents picked catechism. We would like... sing songs and color drawings of Jesus with crayons. And read bible stories re-written for kids. I think I missed out on a lot of history because of this.

I don't know exactly when catechism stopped being an option in primary schools but roughly 20 years? The other class that you could take wasn't really "social studies" though, and I certainly didn't learn much of history in there. I probably was in one of the last years where catechism was still a thing and most kids wanted to take it because they literally had nothing to do in terms of work compared to the "morale" class that was the other option.

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What are you guys talking about? I specifically remember Andrew Jackson politely asking the Native Americans to move. No tears or nothing!

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Crono99 posted...

Oh I remember now yes they called it morale. My god that was so long ago.

I remember the kids in morale were making fun of us for being in catechism.

lmao I was one of those kids

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I bet these are Texas approved history books.

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Funkydog posted...

Fully expect this to stay up as well, like all his other bait topics.

would you prefer if this topic got modded??? that's absurd

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