Current Events > CE people that believe in aliens... how do you explain the Fermi Paradox?

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<_< i hate to be that guy every damn time this topic comes up

>_> but imo it seems pretty obvious that Jesus, Vishnu, Dionysus, Ra, Buddha, etc, all their parallels/prophets...were all either the same person or members of the same civilization

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The most simplistic answer is why would we assume that advanced aliens would want to colonize every star system? I get preservation and even possibly securing vital resources if some kind of FTL is possible, but even then with billions of star systems there'd really be no need to colonize everything.

If some races colonized a hundredth of a percent of the Milky Way, that'd be millions of inhabited worlds completely invisible to us. Why would we assume even a thousand races would want or need to live on that many worlds?

And we use podunk ass radio for communications. Anyone want to bet that we'll discover loads of more advanced communications systems in the coming centuries?

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Alternatively what if we DID pick up a signal but failed to understand it. \_()_/

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InfinityMonster posted...

So you understand now that the Fermi Paradox applies to the Milky Way galaxy and not the universe, so then why are you applying it to aliens all around the universe? As said, even if the galaxy is empty, how does it support anything for the whole universe, since you're asking opinions from "alien believers?".

And you haven't really answered what exactly we're able to detect that would coincidentally pass by in our solar system. What if something passed by the Oort Cloud and we missed it? You're asking why we haven't detected alien materials. How exactly do we do that?

We have been
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakthrough_Listen

Interstellar Travel probably isn't possible. We'll never be able to produce the energy required. It is just not going to happen.

The light we see from stars travels millions of light years to reach us. It takes an incomprehensible amount of time for it to reach us, so much so, that the very star we view in the sky might not even fucking exist anymore.

Thus, if life were there, we don't know.

The odds for life are like 1 in 1,000,000,000. Or some other insanely low chance. We are alone.

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Mackorov posted...

We have been
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakthrough_Listen

Why didn't you answer the rest of my questions? Is it because intelligent life being possible in the universe has nothing to do with the Fermi Paradox and even if the Paradox was true in this galaxy, it's a meaningless thing for life in the universe?

Also, how do we use the Breakthrough Listen to detect alien materials and probes?

I mean, I get where you're trying to come from, but it's kind of pointless.

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Perascamin posted...

The odds for life are like 1 in 1,000,000,000. Or some other insanely low chance. We are alone.

This is not true. There's no "odds" for life. The formation of life is deterministic if the planet can support life. So the only odds you're really looking at here are "what are the odds of an earth like planet in size and water and temperature existing?" Because if that exists then life exists on it.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

This is not true. There's no "odds" for life. The formation of life is deterministic if the planet can support life. So the only odds you're really looking at here are "what are the odds of an earth like planet in size and water and temperature existing?" Because if that exists then life exists on it.

Even then, earth might be inhospitable to alien life forms. We want aliens to be little green men that touchdown on earth and ask us to take them to our leaders, but for all we know the closest alien life are advanced crystals that melt in our atmosphere and thus would never come here anyway.

I mean shit, we're still discovering life on earth that we think shouldn't exist:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna285

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Mackorov posted...

And keep in mind you're already falling for the paradox.

Blah blah blah. I'm just pointing out obvious flaws in your logic. Like this one - even if there are billions of intelligent civilizations out there, one of them has to be the first to break the barrier of space travel. Why do you discount the possibility of humans being the first?

codey posted...

I mean shit, we're still discovering life on earth that we think shouldn't exist:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna285

Imagine being those guys

"You what the fuck are these little creatures no one has ever seen before?"

"Dunno but idc wheres my goddamn mud"

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Perascamin posted...

The odds for life are like 1 in 1,000,000,000. Or some other insanely low chance. We are alone.

So by your own (unsubstantiated) insanely low estimate, there are between 100 and 400 inhabited worlds at least in the Milky Way alone?

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K181 posted...

So by your own (unsubstantiated) insanely low estimate, there are between 100 and 400 inhabited worlds at least in the Milky Way alone?

The chance for something to exist doesn't mean it occurs

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Plot twist: we havent found other life because were the only three dimensional life, and are unable to communicate with 4th dimensional aliens.

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The chances of life vs number of planets is a tricky one cause we don't actually have any good clue how to estimate it. Also if the speed of light is a hard limit then the distance separation does limit things further.

Time separation too - I've always thought we'd be one of the first human level life occurrences with, that it took Earth 4.5 billion years to evolve us, and that's a good third of all existence. A lot of current life and technology relies on heavier elements that wouldn't have been present in earlier planets as well (the Sun being thought to be a third generation star) so it seems it's only recently that could have started to happen.

But also this suggests the opposite, that we're late to the party - https://www.livescience.com/milky-way-alien-life-map.html

But also, with reality probably being a simulation and all, we've maybe just not bought the alien expansion pack yet.

Woodger posted...

But also, with reality probably being a simulation and all, we've maybe just not bought the alien expansion pack yet.

Damn you EA...
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We slaughter and eat every creature we find then declare ourselves kings of the world. Then those same people without a sense of irony watch attack on Titan and say wow how scary and root for the humans. Even though the entire show is a metaphor for how we treat other animals

of course the aliens want nothing to do with us. Babyfarts Mcgeezacks already barred us from the federation because we are greedy monsters.

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Mackorov posted...

Not ONCE have humans even detected even the slightest bit of confirmed foreign alien material out there in space.

I thought they found some bacteria on some meteor or something.

anyway, it could be a mass effect type situation. They are so far away we wont find them before we invent FTL travel. They may have found us already but are just observing from a distance so as to not interfere with our progress as a species, and will only interact with us once we become spacefaring.or maybe because of the vastness of the universe they havent found us yet. And as others have said, due to how slow light travels we are only seeing planets as they were billions of years ago and have no way of knowing what their state is today

I think the simplest answer is that civilizations inevitably destroy themselves before they can have a significant presence in the universe. The more advanced a civilization's technology is, the more tenuous its exist is. I suspect unintended consequences are more likely to wipe out a civilization than intended ones.

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People watch too much scifi. Maybe it's just totally impossible to travel at or faster than light, no matter how advanced your species is.

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The answer to the Fermi Paradox is the Dark Forest Theory.

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