Current Events > Islam vs. the USA in terms of women's rights

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https://twitter.com/QasimRashid/status/1380143739499376640

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Ex-Kefiroth posted...

Now do Uighur rights in China vs USA

Ok:

A bombing raid Sunday on a region bordering China and Tajikistan set a record for the number of precision-guided munitions launched at one time from a B-52 bomber, according to Air Force Maj. Gen. James Hecker, who spoke to reporters at the Pentagon in a video teleconference from Kabul on Wednesday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-targets-chinese-uighur-militants-well-taliban-fighters-afghanistan-n845876

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Do you at least get paid for this crap?

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Southernfatman posted...

Do you at least get paid for this crap?

Qasim Rashid is a respected author and Democratic politician who has run for Congress. What crap? The truth isnt crap.

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IslamIn 610 gave women equal rights to marry/divorce, financial security, own property, inherit, get education, vote, be soldiers, legal scholars, & mothers

is it weird i have no idea where all this applies in any country with islamic majority... or at least a country where all this is(or pretends to have it)upheld?

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Shablagoo posted...

Qasim Rashid is a respected author and Democratic politician who has run for Congress. What crap? The truth isnt crap.

that carries way less weight then you seem to think if you keep in mind that trump is also a "respected" "author" and "politician"...

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monkmith posted...

that carries way less weight then you seem to think if you keep in mind that trump is also a "respected" "author" and "politician"...

Sure, I guess, but do you care to tell me how what he said in the Tweet is wrong? And, I recommend you study the documented history of Islam before answering.

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AsucaHayashi posted...

is it weird i have no idea where all this applies in any country with islamic majority... or at least a country where all this is(or pretends to have it)upheld?

turkey?

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Shablagoo posted...

Sure, I guess, but do you care to tell me how what he said in the Tweet is wrong? And, I recommend you study the documented history of Islam before answering.

TC i dont give a fuck about what a bunch of people claim the did over a millennia ago. it bares no tangible effect on the issues today, to act like it does just shows how disingenuous both you and the author you posted about are...

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Choco posted...

turkey?

https://www.dw.com/en/turkey-slammed-for-quitting-treaty-protecting-womens-rights/a-56941413

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then again he didn't claim anything about spousal abuse etc. so i guess "technically"... xd

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So let's say the tweet in TC's first post is real it took them 610 years to do "equality". Here in the US we did it in 200 years.

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The great country of Islam is a bit older than the US though.

Look at things now btw

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Islam also isn't a country. Like what is he saying? What a religion teaches and how the state enforces that religion is gross and two different things.

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Monolith1676 posted...

So let's say the tweet in TC's first post is real it took them 610 years to do "equality". Here in the US we did it in 200 years.

where do you get 610 years? do you think that the world started in year 0?

also: "Muhammad was born in 570 C.E. in Mecca"

AsucaHayashi posted...

https://www.dw.com/en/turkey-slammed-for-quitting-treaty-protecting-womens-rights/a-56941413

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then again he didn't claim anything about spousal abuse etc. so i guess "technically"... xd

yes literally everyone knows turkey is moving backwards

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I love it when you think you're making a apoint
That's my shablaboo

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Fam_Fam posted...

where do you get 610 years? do you think that the world started in year 0?

also: "Muhammad was born in 570 C.E. in Mecca"

Of course not. I just used 0 as a neutral starting point.

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Monolith1676 posted...

So let's say the tweet in TC's first post is real it took them 610 years to do "equality". Here in the US we did it in 200 years.

xD

MorbidFaithless posted...

Islam also isn't a country. Like what is he saying? What a religion teaches and how the state enforces that religion is gross and two different things.

Sure, but the Tweet hes replying to is alleging something is intrinsic of Islam. When history proves its not.

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MorbidFaithless posted...

Islam also isn't a country. Like what is he saying? What a religion teaches and how the state enforces that religion is gross and two different things.

indeed, and the original post quoted is attributing sexism to "Islam", which as you point out, is incorrect

Monolith1676 posted...

Of course not. I just used 0 as a neutral starting point.

and yet you did not use the same year for both. doesn't sound very neutral. odd.

Fam_Fam posted...

and yet you did not use the same year for both. doesn't sound very neutral. odd.

Because the USA did not start until 1776. Soooooooo

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Aside from comparing a religion with over a millennium of history vs a country with a few century of history, is he just being facetious about riding the coattails of the brilliant Islamic scholars of the past? It's not exactly a secret to anybody who's studied basic religious history that Islam was spearheaded by some of the most brilliant scholars in history with the Quran being a surviving obvious proof of this, but modern extremist Islam is very clearly taking several large steps backwards compared to the progressivism it stood for during the perspective of its heyday. To argue modern Islamic women on average holds more rights than modern 1st world female citizens is laughable

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I'm really curious how much tc gets paid for this shit. Luckily you don't need that much to maintain a NEET lifestyle.

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Gotchas from medieval times are a bit pointless

Women were granted provisional rights to drive a car in Saudi a year ago. Whoopee

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doomcrusader posted...

I'm really curious how much tc gets paid for this s***.

Who exactly would be paying me to post a recent Tweet by a relatively obscure U.S. politician on an extremely niche online message board? Do you think his team is paying me? Wouldnt that be a waste of time and resources?

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I don't care how progressive something was 1400 years ago. Where are you at now?

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Shablagoo posted...

Who exactly would be paying me to post a recent Tweet by a relatively obscure U.S. politician on an extremely niche online message board? Do you think his team is paying me? Wouldnt that be a waste of time and resources?

It absolutely would
But you're doing it for free as a waste of time and resources too

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The Trent posted...

It absolutely would
But you're doing it for free as a waste of time and resources too

Sure, and youve been posting 100s of has across numerous messages for at least several days. But neither I nor you are trying to accomplish something like attaining public office. The resources and time were wasting arent part of a political team with a specific objectives budget.

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Shablagoo posted...

Sure, and youve been posting 100s of has across numerous messages for at least several days. But neither I nor you are trying to accomplish something like attaining public office. The resources and time were wasting arent part of a political team with a specific objectives budget.

What is it that you're trying to accomplish anyway?
I'm in it for the lulz, your agendas are quite driven

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gmanthebest posted...

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What are womens rights like right now in ooooh lets say Pakistan compared to a woman in California?

Bout equal?

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Are we going to just walk past the "women couldnt vote until 1965" line as if it were remotely true
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g980 posted...

Are we going to just walk past the "women couldnt vote until 1965" line as if it were remotely true

If you start correcting shablagoo on things you will be here all day and no progress will be made

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Monolith1676 posted...

Because the USA did not start until 1776. Soooooooo

and islam did not start in the year 0, soooooo

Fam_Fam posted...

and islam did not start in the year 0, soooooo

So that means it took way longer for them than the US.

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g980 posted...

Are we going to just walk past the "women couldnt vote until 1965" line as if it were remotely true

Not all women got the right to vote in 1920.

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/26/904730251/yes-women-could-vote-after-the-19th-amendment-but-not-all-women-or-men

https://time.com/5876456/black-women-right-to-vote/

The Trent posted...

If you start correcting shablagoo on things you will be here all day and no progress will be made

By correcting shablagoo I assume you mean displaying The Trents own lack of historical knowledge.

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You assume whatever you want to man
As long as we both know this is a waste of your time and the opposite of productive

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Monolith1676 posted...

So that means it took way longer for them than the US.

wtf are you talking about, Islam started in the 600s AD, not in year 0, and not in the years BC, which you seem to think, for some reason. They did it immediately. The US took 200 years

g980 posted...

Are we going to just walk past the "women couldnt vote until 1965" line as if it were remotely true

Well, I guess it's true for some women. I thought that was a weird one too

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Do you think your relentlessly sardonic and frequently error-riddled posts as in the case above where you mistakenly talked about correcting me are productive, or something?

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on the civil right act, passed in 1965: "African Americans in the South faced tremendous obstacles to voting, including poll taxes, literacy tests, and other bureaucratic restrictions to deny them the right to vote."

"The law had an immediate impact. By the end of 1965, a quarter of a million new black voters had been registered, one-third by Federal examiners. By the end of 1966, only 4 out of the 13 southern states had fewer than 50 percent of African Americans registered to vote. "

Shablagoo posted...

Do you think your relentlessly sardonic and frequently error-riddled posts as in the case above where you mistakenly talked about correcting me are productive, or something?

Absolutely not but I am not pretending or desiring productivity from my time here

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I thought I implied in post #30 that Im not either lol

Although, some good discussion does occasionally happen. I just dont expect it, at least.

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Fam_Fam posted...

on the civil right act, passed in 1965: "African Americans in the South faced tremendous obstacles to voting, including poll taxes, literacy tests, and other bureaucratic restrictions to deny them the right to vote."

"The law had an immediate impact. By the end of 1965, a quarter of a million new black voters had been registered, one-third by Federal examiners. By the end of 1966, only 4 out of the 13 southern states had fewer than 50 percent of African Americans registered to vote. "

You'll notice you didn't say anything about women, because you kind of need to stretch to make the voting rights act into a gender thing. Its just kind of tendentious. You could use the same logic to say that women still don't have the right to vote (we disenfranchise plenty of men and women to this day)

Like I said, I get it and it's technically true.

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g980 posted...

Are we going to just walk past the "women couldnt vote until 1965" line as if it were remotely true

Only if we also walk past the incredibly sus circumstances of women's rights to own property, invest, and inherit.

For those who don't know, Muhammed's first wife, Khadijah, was an older woman married to a very wealthy man before Mohammed, and used that wealth to establish a very successful caravan business. The establishment of Islam's stances on women owning property (something they were only permitted to do after the death of their husband) and inheriting wealth very coincidentally coincided with the time her prior husband died and she became set to marry Mohammed. Mohammed, naturally, went on to marry much younger women in the years following khadijah's death.

So even the progressive parts of the history are, sadly, rather sus.

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Good for the Islamic women in the 600s. How's it going in the 2000s for Islamic women?

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islam also says that women have to obey their husbands commands, including sex.. And husband's can beat their wives for the smallest things

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