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It's not cancel culture, it's consequence culture.

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pegusus123456 posted...

It's not cancel culture, it's consequence culture.

Agreed. Except when SJW's dig up tweets from 10+ years ago to burn someone at the stake. People who do that shit can go to hell.

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Phantom36 posted...

Agreed. Except when SJW's dig up stuff from 10+ years ago to burn someone at the stake. People who do that shit can go to hell.

you cant just say 'except when', when that's most of the instances of cancel culture

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Phantom36 posted...

Agreed. Except when SJW's dig up tweets from 10+ years ago to burn someone at the stake. People who do that shit can go to hell.

Exactly fucking all these clowns acting holier than thow as if they don't have skeletons in the closet.

pegusus123456 posted...

It's not cancel culture, it's consequence culture.

Why can't you guys just embrace the name cancel culture?

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I watched Bill Burr respond to Gina Carano's firing and people were claiming that Bill was afraid to speak his mind in fear of being fired. Other comments saying that Bill was under threat of cancellation, etc, etc.

For as long as I'm aware, Bill Burr has consistently produced comedy that some would most certainly classify as offensive. He has gone into territory with some of his comedy that would most certainly not be "approved" by Disney. He shat all over Star Wars and then got hired on it

Unless I'm missing something, you get "cancelled" because you say or do something really fucking stupid. Of course that's just one example so I probably am missing something

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pegusus123456 posted...

It's not cancel culture, it's consequence culture.

Oh now we care about consequences?

Make terrible financial and life choices? The government better cover my ass!

Shit post on twitter? Career ending consequences

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JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

I mean people pay consequences for their actions. I never got how this meant it was cancelling them. Unless something is taken out of context or way out of proportion. If you are a good human being you shouldnt have anything to worry about. Although I suppose sarcasm and text is hard to read. If you mean cancel culture is when rapists and milestones get consequences for their actions though - thats not cancel culture. Thats the law. Unless the allegations are fake or something, though that is pretty rare.

It's a stupid thing to say in general. Getting cancelled is the consequence.

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so on twitter when you see #cancel_____ what is that

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If it were real, no Republican senators would be able to eat or get service in most of DC. And they'd have their meals interrupted at the few places would dare to serve them.

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I feel like this term has become way too loaded to have any meaningful use attached to it anymore. I mean just look at this topic there's like 3 different meanings for it already


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It only exists when I agree with the person being criticized.

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Somewhere in the middle since I hate to see it happen yet in most instances it seems to fade and things go back to normal. ProJared and Adam Blampied both seemed to bounce back from it.

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The Trent posted...

so on twitter when you see #cancel_____ what is that

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gunplagirl posted...

If it were real, no Republican senators would be able to eat or get service in most of DC. And they'd have their meals interrupted at the few places would dare to serve them.

That should be for all politicians. People just need to realize that the Democrats are just as garbage as the Republicans and stop playing this lesser of two evils crap.

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TheApexPredator posted...

That should be for all politicians. People just need to realize that the Democrats are just as garbage as the Republicans and stop playing this lesser of two evils crap.

Maybe Republicans should stop being the greater of two evils then. There's no "both sides" crap when one side goes overboard and consists of nothing but garbage


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I'm fine if there is confirmed facts and proof, and it's something awful like pedophilia.

But overall, if fucking sucks because people want to 'cancel' others just for thinking wrong.
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KyoryuCyan posted...

Maybe Republicans should stop being the greater of two evils then. There's no "both sides" crap when one side goes overboard and consists of nothing but garbage

You have two options: stop having a bad opinion or stop interacting with this community. We have no patience for this sort of viewpoint on this board, we are about progressive thinking and that kind of oldthink is holding back society.

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Not really. The only thing that has really changed is the people who used to get their way when they cried about how things needed to be taken off the air for acknowledging the existence of people who didn't look and act like them are now sometimes on the receiving end of it and they suddenly don't like it very much

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It's not something that actually has a concrete definition or practice. That there have been people wrongly socially flogged under this mad rush to "get justice" by self-empowered Twitter Keyboard Warriors, we can at least say for certainty that there definitely exists a culture online that seeks punishment before anyone is actually proven guilty of anything or seeks to punish someone for something that's not actually morally wrong.

KyoryuCyan posted...

Maybe Republicans should stop being the greater of two evils then. There's no "both sides" crap when one side goes overboard and consists of nothing but garbage

As much as I dislike homophobia and stuff like that. If I said half the crap I have seen about women I have seen them say about men on liberal groups, I would be cancel. Look at the female dating on Reddit and imagine if all the crap said there would be about women.
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Yes but it's waaaaay less potent than Twitter likes to believe

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pegusus123456 posted...

It's not cancel culture, it's consequence culture.

Okay but what about people like Danny from Gamegrumps or Vinny from Vinesauce where they havent actually done anything wrong but people just go with the claims. Where are the consequences for trying to ruin their lives over ghosting someone?

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Of course cancel culture is a thing. The day people boycott Led Zeppelin for kidnapping and raping children is the day the standards of cancel culture are assigned fairly.

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ZeroX91 posted...

Okay but what about people like Danny from Gamegrumps or Vinny from Vinesauce where they havent actually done anything wrong but people just go with the claims. Where are the consequences for trying to ruin their lives over ghosting someone?

Lmao wut. Ghosting someone is a shitty thing to do, but not worth canceling
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epik_fail1 posted...

Lmao wut. Ghosting someone is a shitty thing to do, but not worth canceling

Im being a little reductive but thats what both amount to.

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Yes.

Not in an all-encompassing, "make one mistake and you're gone forever," sort of way. But there have been some knee-jerk reactions and a lot of people hopping on bandwagons to condemn people over minor things. For the record, both conservative and liberal camps have practiced cancel culture or attempted to get someone or something canceled.

Speaking as an American:
It was boycotting and disagreeing with a view or action.
The fact that it has been given a "culture" is likely because information is much easier to obtain these days so we can hear multiple events of people boycotting an event, product, person, or company at any given time.
And since we have seen people in positions of power unabashedly lie, and the political spectrum has felt much more personal because we can clearly see our government's failures, the desire to protest or remove the lies is identified as "cancel culture" when the affected party screams foul play like a soccer player fakes an injury.

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It's just a buzzword for something that has always existed. It used to be called voting with your wallet

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epik_fail1 posted...

Lmao wut. Ghosting someone is a shitty thing to do, but not worth canceling

You say it's shitty but if a company doesn't want to call you back after an interview it's considered "expected practice".

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RaulJenkins posted...

I watched Bill Burr respond to Gina Carano's firing and people were claiming that Bill was afraid to speak his mind in fear of being fired. Other comments saying that Bill was under threat of cancellation, etc, etc.

For as long as I'm aware, Bill Burr has consistently produced comedy that some would most certainly classify as offensive. He has gone into territory with some of his comedy that would most certainly not be "approved" by Disney. He shat all over Star Wars and then got hired on it

Unless I'm missing something, you get "cancelled" because you say or do something really fucking stupid. Of course that's just one example so I probably am missing something

Bill Burr is probably a pretty solid refutation of most claims of "cancel culture". He's always gone into "edgy" territory that if what people tell you about cancel culture was real, would be damning for him. But he's never been cancelled, because it turns out He's not just being super racist/sexist/whatever and blaming the audience for not laughing.

There is a real thing as "outrage culture", but the overwhelming majority of "Cancellations" are just some narcissistic celebrity who's butthurt that now if they preach some kind of racist/sexist/transphobic/whatever statement the an audience the size of Belgium, the same audience can look at them and say this celebrity has a bad take.

Of course
It has always fucking existed
Since fucking the first people decided to try to cancel someone else

Just because cancel culture doesn't work on everyone doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It'd be like saying coronavirus isn't dangerous because some people caught it, and didn't get sick.

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eston posted...

It's just a buzzword for something that has always existed. It used to be called voting with your wallet

Canceling remove your choice to vote with your wallet.
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Of course. Just look at all the people who dig up tweets from a decade ago and act like it was something just said the other day

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I would also be genuinely curious to see how many people disagree with the idea that a certain other culture exists (R-culture, dunno if the word is acceptable here), but maintain that cancel culture is a thing

using the word "culture" is sort of a problem in and of itself tbh, if we really want to get into semantics. my opinion anyway

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RaulJenkins posted...

I would also be genuinely curious to see how many people disagree with the idea that a certain other culture exists (R-culture, dunno if the word is acceptable here), but maintain that cancel culture is a thing

using the word "culture" is sort of a problem in and of itself tbh, if we really want to get into semantics. my opinion anyway

Rape culture definitely exist, but I was never a big fan of the semantics tbh
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epik_fail1 posted...

Canceling remove your choice to vote with your wallet.

Cancelling is the choice

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This is what you get for expressing your opinion. Dont do that if you dont want to run the risk of being cancelled. In a decade some things that arnt offensive now will be offensive then and i will cancel you just the same for them.

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I'm strongly opposed to any of this digital vigilantism stuff, and it's a grossly reductionist view of humanity to complete destroy a person's existence due to a mistake, an opinion that's had no bearings on actual actions, or something they've bettered themselves from in their pasts. Refusing to have discourse or actually open up conversation with people and just cancelling them, harassing their employers, etc. only creates martyrdom and impedes upon any societal progress. I do think it exists, and I think it's ignorant, socially irresponsible, self important, and simple-minded.
There are cases where it makes sense, like R. Kelly, Weinstein, or Michael Jackson. It's tough because they had their own mental health issues and their artwork was objectively well-made - but you can't help but feel icky listening to either one, especially after Robert's decades of misdeeds. But those cases are very, very rare.

I'm also in a Chris Chan group on Facebook, and I've literally been seeing tons of self proclaimed leftists calling out CWC for his bigotry and suggesting that he deserved everything that happened to him. Like he literally has severe autism. People who're autistic have troubles relating to stuff outside of themselves and are highly prone to different forms of prejudice -- especially when he grew up in the south, his parents were bigots, and the online culture at the time was heavily bigoted. Like jesus fucking christ - you're not being "woke" by pointing out that some things he's done are problematic by being incredibly ableist yourself. There are also cases of people who're on drugs or severely mentally ill who say/do bad/offensive things and they're uploaded online; you're not being politically correct by trying to destroy an already destroyed person who's incapable of comprehending their own political incorrectness. You're just being ableist.

My thoughts on "cancel culture" are similar to my thoughts on the "SJW" label.

It's never been defined to my knowledge and just seems like something people pull out of their asses whenever they don't like or agree with what is being discussed, or if these terms actually DID have some kind of meaning at some point, it has clearly been overused and misused to the point that any meaning it originally had has been lost and it cannot be taken seriously anymore.

Yes, I think cancel culture exists. I'm supportive to the extent that if someone has a proven history of being racist, sexist, and so on, then it is usually warranted. Especially in cases where someone has a position of power or influence, like celebrities.

However, I also think cancel culture has been exploited. And it's happening more and more often lately. I don't agree with this notion of pulling up tweets or weaponizing videos from years ago. People aren't perfect. They make mistakes. Everyone says offensive or regrettable things at some point. They deserve a chance to learn and grow. Context and history are important factors that seem to get ignored. When everyday people get their lives derailed and ruined for minor, trivial stuff, I think that's what's wrong with cancel culture.


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It exists, I don't think that can be denied unless you are just being willfully ignorant. there is absolutely a culture of people that organizes an attempt to bring retribution against people's careers for various things, be it racism or sexual assault or whatever. "It's just consequence culture" is a really weak deflection to that that just changes the name to make people feel better about it while ignoring the new-tech aspect of it that spreads information faster than ever before via social media. Claiming it doesn't exist because cancelled people often come back similarly is weak because it not being a reliable thing doesn't mean there isn't a culture based around making the attempt nevertheless.

It's such a prolific trend that's been drummed up so many times over the years that it's become a thing people try to do to each other as a vendetta sometimes. Less well-meaning groups have also realized it can be weaponized against people they don't like because many are only interested in instantly jumping onto the outrage whirlwind.

Like, I get not thinking it works very well and thus is not significant (though that, I would argue, is mostly the case for larger figures and not so much smaller ones), or that they deserve it so you agree or whatever, but outright saying it's not become a part of internet life at this point is just kind of lying to yourself

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People who say it's not a thing are delusional.

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