Current Events > Breath of the Wild is an objectively bad Zelda game.

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As a game on its own, it's.....ok game that has ups and downs. As a zelda game, it sucks. Tiny dungeons, few memorable areas, only four dungeons, and the worst final boss and final "dungeon" in the franchise.

Your opinion is objectively bad and worthless.

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better than A Link to the Toilet

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LordFarquad1312 posted...

Your opinion is objectively bad and worthless.

Nah

Dark_SilverX posted...

better than A link to the Toilet

God no

Smackems posted...

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Fuck the rain, it makes it hard to break the game!

Truyth be told I was actually trolling a bit in the OP, I do actually really like the game for all its flaws, it's just a disappointing Zelda game that I'm guessing BOTW 2 will deliver on.

Didn't like the ambient music/sound design either, LoZ is known for its music.

Nah, BotW is objectively the best 3D Zelda.

TheOtherMike posted...

Nah, BotW is objectively the best 3D Zelda.

lolnope

RadiantJoyrock posted...

lolnope

Yasssss

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"objectively"

people misuse this word a lot.

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g0ldie posted...

"objectively"

people misuse this word a lot.

But I didn't

Botw is goat

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TheOtherMike posted...

Nah, BotW is objectively the best 3D Zelda.

that would be MM

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

But I didn't

you have, though.

saying that four dungeons is the only part you posted that might be objective (I stopped before the desert boss).

saying something is tiny, how memorable it is memorable, being the worst, etc. is all subjective.

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g0ldie posted...

"objectively"

people misuse this word a lot.

They believe that (mis)using the word will give them an air of authority that puts their opinions beyond reproach. In the entire history of internet arguing, it has yet to actually work.

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masterpug53 posted...

They believe that (mis)using the word will give them an air of authority that puts their opinions beyond reproach. In the entire history of internet arguing, it has yet to actually work.

Or

They're trolling

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Smackems posted...

Or

They're trolling

Neither, I'm just right.

imagine just wanting the same thing over and over

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Imo it is objectively very good

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*wasnt a complete drag through Formulaic Forest

Zelda stormtroopers:

nOt a TrUe ZeLdA!!!

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Objectivity has no place in this conversation

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ledbowman posted...

imagine just wanting the same thing over and over

Other Zelda games aren't just the same thing over and over

LordFarquad1312 posted...

Your opinion is objectively bad and worthless.

This guy had it right
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RadiantJoyrock posted...

Other Zelda games aren't just the same thing over and over

Yeah. Sometimes Link is a child.

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SwayM posted...

Yeah. Sometimes Link is a child.

Nah. There are staples that are repeated, and the overall stories are the same, but the level design, weapons, and boss fights tend to feel memorable and unique, with a good variety of puzzles, as is the art style and general tone and procedure of each game. No two Zelda games ever feel like the same thing.

RadiantJoyrock posted...

No two Zelda games ever feel like the same thing.

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SwayM posted...

It's ok, you're free to be wrong

Nice April Fools joke

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

lolnope

Reality disagrees with you.

littlebro07 posted...

that would be MM

MM is a pile of ass. Barely a step above the unplayable garbage that are SS, PH, and ST.

It's leagues better than Majora's Mask, which is actually buried in the ground beneath the bottom of the barrel.

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masterpug53 posted...

They believe that (mis)using the word will give them an air of authority that puts their opinions beyond reproach. In the entire history of internet arguing, it has yet to actually work.

yea, if they don't like something, how it differs from other things, or whatever, then that's fine; nothing is going to appeal to everyone.

but some people go above and beyond by trying to push their views as gospel.

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The final dungeon is the best in the franchise

I don't know why Zelda fans but so much emphasis on dungeons, tho

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EndOfDiscOne posted...

The final dungeon is the best in the franchise

I don't know why Zelda fans but so much emphasis on dungeons, tho

looooool no

RadiantJoyrock posted...

Other Zelda games aren't just the same thing over and over

but you're saying you would rather have the game be yet another series of big dungeons when it showed it was capable of successfully mixing it up a little by focusing more on the exploration aspect of the series

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as someone who doesnt have immense amounts of free time and boredom to enjoy sandbox-y "make your own fun" types of games, i absolutely despise botw

i still replay lttp, awakening, oracle duology every year or two

LordFarquad1312 posted...

Your opinion is objectively bad and worthless.

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Ignoring all the bad takes in this topic, TC I think you miss a core aspect of the Zelda series.

Each new game as a new central thing that they play around with. This central thing is often movement/exploration based, and is really what the whole game revolves around.

• OoT - jumping back and forth between the same world in two different states
• MM (my favorite) - time sensitive AI and world
• WW/PH - sailing
• ST - a more limited version of the sailing with the hope that they could ad more structure by limiting movement more
• TP - transforming into a second state to explore the same area through a different lens
• SS - two worlds that are interconnected + flying
• BotW - unstructured story via letting the player choose their own path

I could go on and just list every Zelda games core thing, but I hope you can see from that list that it does fall in line as a Zelda game.

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ledbowman posted...

but you're saying you would rather have the game be yet another series of big dungeons when it showed it was capable of successfully mixing it up a little by focusing more on the exploration aspect of the series

It doesn't mix it up a little, it completely throws out the main concept. Half as many dungeons as most, and each is smaller than the first dungeon of any of the other games, with the final "dungeon" just being another part of the open world with basically no special gameplay of any kind.

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Legend of Zelda is also not a good Zelda game sooooooooooooooo yeah

kirbyakaZ posted...

Ignoring all the bad takes in this topic, TC I think you miss a core aspect of the Zelda series.

Each new game as a new central thing that they play around with. This central thing is often movement/exploration based, and is really what the whole game revolves around.

This is true, but it's always as an addition to the dungeon seeking adventure gameplay. This basically completely abandons that aspect of it rather that incorporating it, and leaves the Zelda aspects feeling like an afterthought. It honestly feels like they built a really cool game and then didn't have time to finish the actual game aspect of it. I wouldn't mind if any of the dungeons or bosses felt memorable, but they really don't, and I find myself suggesting people ignore the story unless you want the upgrades it gives you.

TC is right, but people will find a way to argue.

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kirbyakaZ posted...

Ignoring all the bad takes in this topic, TC I think you miss a core aspect of the Zelda series.

Each new game as a new central thing that they play around with. This central thing is often movement/exploration based, and is really what the whole game revolves around.

* OoT - jumping back and forth between the same world in two different states
* MM (my favorite) - time sensitive AI and world
* WW/PH - sailing
* ST - a more limited version of the sailing with the hope that they could ad more structure by limiting movement more
* TP - transforming into a second state to explore the same area through a different lens
* SS - two worlds that are interconnected + flying
* BotW - unstructured story via letting the player choose their own path

I could go on and just list every Zelda games core thing, but I hope you can see from that list that it does fall in line as a Zelda game.

Literally four of the titles in your breakdown share the same core "thing".

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I feel it is an excellent start to what could be the best Zelda game.

Problem I have is beyond the 4 Champions, the game has almost NO character at all. Zelda kinda comes across like a whiny child and Link still have no personality.

Remember those weird kids in Windwaker on that island that follow you around? The teacher who wants the butterfly wings? Your fucking SISTER and Tetra? Yeah, THAT stuff is awesome and has character. BOTW has none of that.

It does have hundreds of Korok Seeds though at least. -_-

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

This is true, but it's always as an addition to the dungeon seeking adventure gameplay. This basically completely abandons that aspect of it rather that incorporating it, and leaves the Zelda aspects feeling like an afterthought. It honestly feels like they built a really cool game and then didn't have time to finish the actual game aspect of it. I wouldn't mind if any of the dungeons or bosses felt memorable, but they really don't, and I find myself suggesting people ignore the story unless you want the upgrades it gives you.

Seems like you just don't like the games in the series that feature the freeform style.

1. The Legend of Zelda
2. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
3. The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds
4. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild

All feature this style. Since there are 4 of them in the series I think that objectively it has to stand that Breath of the Wild is a perfectly fine Zelda game. You don't have too enjoy it, though.

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People keep saying its just like the original Zelda, but thats not entirely true.

Zelda 1 still had item-based progression, required you to piece together clues to unlock new areas, and had long, maze-like, action-based dungeons.

BotW is an amazing game and definitely captured the feeling of exploration from the first games overworld, but failed to capture almost every other element of the gameplay. Hehe

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Its a great game but not really even a zelda game.
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Tc always talks like this "objectively. I'm right. No you're wrong."

It's so immature

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