Current Events > I think WWECW gets too much flak.

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WrestlinFan
04/01/21 12:24:18 AM
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At least in 2007-2008. CM Punks title hunt was a great build. And there was overall a pretty restrained, refreshing booking style compared to what else was going on with the main shows. And it was only an hour long, short and sweet usually.

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ShineboxPhil
04/01/21 12:25:56 AM
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Remember when the opening of the debut episode was a literal zombie

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TheBlueMonk_
04/01/21 12:30:04 AM
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Mr_Karate_II
04/01/21 12:32:49 AM
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It sucked and was nothing like the real ECW, WWE only kept the name for brand recognition and that's it.

As much as i like WWE, their vision of ECW was terrible as it took everything that fans of the real ECW loved about it and threw it away.

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WrestlinFan
04/01/21 12:34:08 AM
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ShineboxPhil posted...
Remember when the opening of the debut episode was a literal zombie
Yeah, I feel like thats a big problem with the shows perception. They wanted an actual revival of ECW and the first year or so was so laughably terrible at achieving that. Then they changed course, and started booking a really respectable and enjoyable developmental show. But that first couple months left too bad a taste.

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WrestlinFan
04/01/21 12:36:39 AM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
It sucked and was nothing like the real ECW, WWE only kept the name for brand recognition and that's it.

As much as i like WWE, their vision of ECW was terrible as it took everything that fans of the real ECW loved about it and threw it away.
The show has been off the air for a decade now. When are people gonna look at what it was for its own merit and stop being butthurt about those three letters.


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AirFresh
04/01/21 12:39:23 AM
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ShineboxPhil posted...
Remember when the opening of the debut episode was a literal zombie
That was Sci-Fi to be fair forcing that stuff.

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Mr_Karate_II
04/01/21 12:43:10 AM
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People expected it to be close to what the real ECW was when it had some of the real ECW alumni and there was an emphasis on hardcore matches(which was what fans of the real ECW loved) but then WWE toned down the hardcore matches and you seen them less and less.

Their vision was a joke, it could have been something great but WWE did what they do best and ruined it. Anything they don't create gets turned into a joke and then forgotten.

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WrestlinFan
04/01/21 12:49:33 AM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
People expected it to be close to what the real ECW was when it had some of the real ECW alumni and there was an emphasis on hardcore matches(which was what fans of the real ECW loved) but then WWE toned down the hardcore matches and you seen them less and less.

Their vision was a joke, it could have been something great but WWE did what they do best and ruined it. Anything they don't create gets turned into a joke and then forgotten.
A wrestling show can be good with toned down hardcore matches.

To me, it seemed like their vision turned into a development show and helped grow the career of talents like CM Punk and Kofi Kingston. And it was for the most part a really well booked show.

But yeah like I said, narrow minded people such as yourself ignore that because it wasnt a carbon copy of the original ECW, which if you were to think about it logically for more than ten seconds, youd realize nothing like the original ECW was gonna happen in 2006 under the E.

Like, Im begging people like you to pretend it has a different three letter acronym for a name and to try and enjoy the show for what it actually turned out to be. You honestly might enjoy it.

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TheBlueMonk_
04/01/21 12:50:52 AM
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WrestlinFan posted...
But yeah like I said, narrow minded people such as yourself
TC right now: https://youtu.be/Cta_F5ElU6U?t=47

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Bad_Mojo
04/01/21 12:51:11 AM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
People expected it to be close to what the real ECW was when it had some of the real ECW alumni and there was an emphasis on hardcore matches(which was what fans of the real ECW loved) but then WWE toned down the hardcore matches and you seen them less and less.

Their vision was a joke, it could have been something great but WWE did what they do best and ruined it. Anything they don't create gets turned into a joke and then forgotten.

Thank you for telling everyone in this topic stuff they already know. But even though we know that, it's been so long that it's okay to think back and think of the positive things.

Stop being so negative all the time

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Mr_Karate_II
04/01/21 12:55:34 AM
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TheBlueMonk_ posted...
TC right now: https://youtu.be/Cta_F5ElU6U?t=47
LMFAO! I'm done. Seems like TC got butthurt because people didn't like the bastardized version of ECW.

It somewhat launching the careers of CM Punk and Kofi Kingston doesn't excuse how bad it was.

Was there any real ECW alumni left when WWE shut their vision of ECW down?

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ShineboxPhil
04/01/21 12:57:32 AM
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wwecw was so bad, it caused kurt angle to go to tna

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WrestlinFan
04/01/21 1:00:40 AM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
LMFAO! I'm done. Seems like TC got butthurt because people didn't like the bastardized version of ECW.

It somewhat launching the careers of CM Punk and Kofi Kingston doesn't excuse how bad it was.

Was there any real ECW alumni left when WWE shut their vision of ECW down?
Dude how dense are you. Why does it need old washed up ECW alumni in a WWE environment. Do you honestly think that would ever work as a weekly television show.

Forget the name of the show and judge the content on its own ,stand alone, merits.

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Mr_Karate_II
04/01/21 1:03:22 AM
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People wanted something different from Raw and Smackdown, WWECW could have been that but WWE turned it into a regular wrestling show. And yes,it would work as a weekly show.

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WrestlinFan
04/01/21 1:04:34 AM
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ShineboxPhil posted...
wwecw was so bad, it caused kurt angle to go to tna
I thought he left because WWE fired him, because his pain pill addiction has spiraled so far out of control that they were worried a US Olympic Gold Medalist was gonna drop dead while under contract. They had to start hiring handlers for Kurt just to make sure he was making dates according to reports at the time.

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Proto_Spark
04/01/21 1:05:55 AM
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The name just killed the whole brand from day 1. WWECW was really good once it found its groove in 2007 or so, its just it wasn't "ECW" and that really ruined it for a lot of people. Especially after WWE went HD and ECW just felt... wrong.

But the big stories on ECW were always great, probably because it was the 3rd brand and nobody cared. CM Punk chasing the ECW title, then that weird 3 months where every hoss in the company wanted the title, then Matt Hardy finally getting his chance at the top of the card, Christian's comeback and holding ECW together for a full year and putting over all the young talent that would theoretically be a big part of the future, Tommy Dreamer finally getting a real reign, it was all great.

If it had any other name, people would have much better things to say about it.

Mr_Karate_II posted...
Was there any real ECW alumni left when WWE shut their vision of ECW down?

Tommy Dreamer was around for basically the entirety of WWECW, leaving WWE about 3 months before they ended it. in kayfabe he was retired by Zack Ryder.

Taz and Joey Styles were on commentary until early 2008 when Styles stopped commentating, and Taz stuck around until about 1/2 way through the year, but Dreamer was the only one around in 2009.
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ShineboxPhil
04/01/21 1:06:42 AM
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wwecw was so bad it caused chris ben.... never mind

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WrestlinFan
04/01/21 1:07:44 AM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
People wanted something different from Raw and Smackdown, WWECW could have been that but WWE turned it into a regular wrestling show. And yes,it would work as a weekly show.
It was different. The difference was that WWECWs booking was very old school and simple and restrained compared to SD and Raw in 2007-2008. Which wasnt a bad thing, but it definitely didnt resemble the actual ECW. Thats why Im saying that if you can look at the show without comparing it to the original ECW, youd probably enjoy it a lot more.

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GameGodOfAll
04/01/21 1:10:24 AM
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The first year or two was god awful.

Once they changed the logo and the belt it was actually (don't laugh) the BEST weekly wrestling show for a good little while. Mark Henry's first push and his great reign. Lots of fresh talent like Jack Swagger, Kofi Kingston, Sheamus. Christian was a great Champion. Regal running a little faction.

I also think NXT Redemption is very underrated once it ended up becoming its own thing with Bateman, Dirty Curty, Maxine, Hawkins & Reks, Goldust. It was really...different. Wacky. Just a little hidden gem.

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Mr_Karate_II
04/01/21 1:17:32 AM
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TC, you need to accept that people are going to have different opinions about WWE's version of ECW and get over it. Just because someone doesn't like it doesn't mean they're "dense" or "butthurt" or whatever other insult you can think of.


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WrestlinFan
04/01/21 1:21:11 AM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
TC, you need to accept that people are going to have different opinions about WWE's version of ECW and get over it. Just because someone doesn't like it doesn't mean they're "dense" or "butthurt" or whatever other insult you can think of.
Youre the one who called me butthurt my man. At this point it feels embarrassing to even engage with you lol.

Oh, and I do accept that others have a different opinion on this. Thats just an objective fact. What I dont accept is that their reasoning has aged particularly well, because I believe it hasnt.

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Proto_Spark
04/01/21 1:22:20 AM
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GameGodOfAll posted...
I also think NXT Redemption is very underrated once it ended up becoming its own thing with Bateman, Dirty Curty, Maxine, Hawkins & Reks, Goldust. It was really...different. Wacky. Just a little hidden gem.

NXT Redemption was some of the greatest content WWE has ever produced, and it doesn't get anywhere near the praise it deserves.
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WrestlinFan
04/01/21 1:22:20 AM
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GameGodOfAll posted...
The first year or two was god awful.

Once they changed the logo and the belt it was actually (don't laugh) the BEST weekly wrestling show for a good little while. Mark Henry's first push and his great reign. Lots of fresh talent like Jack Swagger, Kofi Kingston, Sheamus. Christian was a great Champion. Regal running a little faction.

I also think NXT Redemption is very underrated once it ended up becoming its own thing with Bateman, Dirty Curty, Maxine, Hawkins & Reks, Goldust. It was really...different. Wacky. Just a little hidden gem.
It really was wrestling kino. Solid booking, fresh hungry faces mixing it up with established veterans. It clicked extremely well.

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Mr_Karate_II
04/01/21 1:25:50 AM
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WrestlinFan posted...
The show has been off the air for a decade now. When are people gonna look at what it was for its own merit and stop being butthurt about those three letters.
Who said who was butthurt?

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WrestlinFan
04/01/21 1:28:27 AM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
LMFAO! I'm done. Seems like TC got butthurt because people didn't like the bastardized version of ECW.

It somewhat launching the careers of CM Punk and Kofi Kingston doesn't excuse how bad it was.

Was there any real ECW alumni left when WWE shut their vision of ECW down?
Did your brain get put through a flaming table covered in thumbtacks lol. I wasnt talking about you specifically in that earlier quote, I was referring to fans in general.

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Mr_Karate_II
04/01/21 1:43:10 AM
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Don't try and play it off like you was talking about about fans in general, you said it after i gave my opinion.
Then narrowminded among other things. You just insult people when they have differing opinions.

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DocileOrangeCup
04/01/21 1:43:53 AM
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ShineboxPhil
04/01/21 1:47:34 AM
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DocileOrangeCup posted...
I always thought this would be the episode where Kelly Kelly really got naked

Except her neckbeard boyfriend always got in the way like the cameraman who could never film stacy kiebler at the right angle

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WrestlinFan
04/01/21 1:55:30 AM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
Don't try and play it off like you was talking about about fans in general, you said it after i gave my opinion.
Then narrowminded among other things. You just insult people when they have differing opinions.
You will never grow to have a healthy, well rounded mindset if you narrow things down to You just insult people when they have differing opinions. I presented plenty of arguments to you and you didnt seriously counter any of them.

DocileOrangeCup posted...
I always thought this would be the episode where Kelly Kelly really got naked
Lol I remember my parents walking in on those segments and wondering what the heck I was watching.

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