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Felt like you weren't getting enough attention in the other topic?

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Everyone against human abuse until we're talking about the chocolate in their mouths

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I would eat dog and cat if it was humanely prepared though.

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COVxy posted...

Felt like you weren't getting enough attention in the other topic?

I sure didn't!

More specifically, the animal abuse I'm talking about didn't get enough attention because as soon as people were confronted with the abuse they perpetuate, animal abuse stopped being important and I was barred from the discussion by the TC who blocked me.

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Is liking or disliking an animal the only thing that determines how cruel we can be to them?

AdmiralStiff posted...

Everyone against human abuse until we're talking about the chocolate in their mouths

For sure. I finally gave up on chocolate after repeatedly finding out that the "fair trade" crap I was duped into buying was bullshit. I think there are some brands that are legit but I don't have access to them without ridiculous markup and shipping. I don't need chocolate that badly, or at all.

Turtlebread posted...

I would eat dog and cat if it was humanely prepared though.

How would that go? The same as the typical "food animals" you eat or would they need some extra special consideration for some reason?


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Bro, Im gonna be honest.

Im against child exploitation. But if you told me clothes I regularly buy are the result of inhumane sweatshops, Im still going to buy them.

Same rules apply. If I cant see it, it isnt as emotion jerking.

Ill be the honest asshole about it.

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I do find it hard to reconcile being anti animal abuse and eating meat or having pets, but I of course fall short there since I continue to eat meat. Plus there are pets who would objectively have been better off with their owners as opposed to not, but how much of that is directly caused by the pet industry? Idk, animal rights is something where I'll always fall short I think

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TheLiarParadox posted...

How would that go? The same as the typical "food animals" you eat or would they need some extra special consideration for some reason?

the same

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

Bro, Im gonna be honest.

Im against child exploitation. But if you told me clothes I regularly buy are the result of inhumane sweatshops, Im still going to buy them.

Same rules apply. If I cant see it, it isnt as emotion jerking.

Ill be the honest asshole about it.

Sure. That's a different conversation (that I'm more than willing to have) but if we're running with that theme, the people I'm talking about would be more like someone staunchly advocating on behalf of the kids in sweatshops who make T-shirts they would never buy, because that would be wrong. However, their fervor vanishes when we talk about the kids in sweatshops in far great numbers and in far worse conditions who make the pants they do frequently buy.

You're showing way more self-awareness and consistency than any of them.

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I'm not even trying to have that convo at this moment tbh. I simply consistently applied the logic of people who are okay with all of that to their pet interest and they did not handle it very well.

Eyeratosthenes posted...

I do find it hard to reconcile being anti animal abuse and eating meat or having pets, but I of course fall short there since I continue to eat meat. Plus there are pets who would objectively have been better off with their owners as opposed to not, but how much of that is directly caused by the pet industry? Idk, animal rights is something where I'll always fall short I think

I'm not against pets, provided they're rescues and adequately cared for. Mills, designer pets, exotics, and all that kind of stuff is wrong to me but if someone wants to take in an animal who would otherwise be killed and give them a nice home, whatever. I personally won't do it anymore due to my experiences growing up with a pet-hoarding family but I do foster dogs and cats occasionally.

Anyway, there is a lot to work through and it's not just like flipping a switch. There's a lot to keep someone in the mindset that we can't change or whatever and we're all in different situations. I'd fancied myself an animal rights advocate for years and years before ever actually giving up eating animals. I put a lot of time and research into giving up eating animals, admittedly for my health. During a month long vegan experiment (that I initially had no desire to continue beyond that), I started seeing the incongruity between my beliefs and actions everywhere I looked. It was no longer about my health or anything other than the fact that it simply became unbearable for me to contribute to it ever again. You can't exactly bottle that experience and give it to someone else though.

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Tons of people are against those things. No-kill and humane alternatives to pest control have always had some level of support. That said, it's not just about liking or disliking those animals. Pests generally aren't given the same regard as other animals because they may pose a threat to humans.

The topic was about maiming cats and you were shitposting about eating meat. Fair next

The topic is a circle jerk about a specific form of animal abuse that has no real distinction from all the other forms of animal abuse that those people are okay with. It's a form of abuse that happens in comparatively low numbers because most people are against it. Being against it is a position that requires no action at all to feel good about and everyone was cranking each other off until consistent application of their logic showed them an inconvenient truth.


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Turtlebread posted...

the same

What all would that entail?

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I don't think it would be impossible but I do think it's unlikely to happen within the time frame we probably have left to act. One way or another though, animal agriculture and the pet industry will start to disappear. Or become the same thing >_>


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The planet is polluted. Yeah but I still see assholes yeeting Micky D's out the car.


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My dog enjoys meat slurry as wellwhat you gonna do put him in jail

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Turtlebread posted...

I would eat dog and cat if it was humanely prepared though.

How can you kill something humanely though?

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Some animals are just simply tastier than others

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WashYourHands posted...

Some animals are just simply tastier than others

Crab legit tastiest.

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ZeroX91 posted...

Crab legit tastiest.

Lobster rolls are pretty damn good

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16-BITTER posted...

Eating meat isn't animal abuse, so comparing the two was bullshit from the start.

If we're going by all the same reasons cited in that topic against de-clawing cats, the way we treat cows, pigs, chickens, and all the other animals we eat, specifically so we can eat them, is abuse.

Choosing not to eat meat is the exact same level of "non-action" as choosing not to declaw your pet cat, you just have a wider selection of animals you claim to care about while doing nothing.

If that's how someone was raised from birth, maybe. For a lot of us, it involves eschewing a lifetime of habits, indoctrination, tradition, culture, and actually putting in work to pursue an alternative. It's a rejection of our lives as we knew it and something we put into practice multiple times a day, every single day. No matter what topic we're talking about, change to that degree generally requires effort. Even for people who were born into that lifestyle, they're still surrounded by a world that is in an affront to everything they practice.

I'm willing to bet that not many people who are ardently against de-clawing cats have gone through the same to arrive at and practice their beliefs.

VIIVincent posted...

The planet is polluted. Yeah but I still see assholes yeeting Micky D's out the car.

Same with child exploitation, you're not wrong but that's not an apt comparison. This is like people grandstanding about straws polluting the oceans while paying no mind to the far more damaging industrial fishing that puts tuna on their plate. The disconnect is my issue about this, at this particular moment in time, anyway.

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You're misunderstanding.

You brought up the atrocities in animal agriculture and the ways people delude themselves about their direct participation. That's definitely a conversation I'm willing to have at any point but that's not how I approached that topic or why I made this one. My focus is the cognitive dissonance it takes to maintain the stance most in that topic had.

Was I trolling? Only to the extent that I don't actually support de-clawing cats but look at what exactly happened in that topic.

You have a group of people who recognize that de-clawing cats is abusive and they want to speak out against it. They're very understandable. It's a gross thing to do to any animal. It's not as gross as what happens to the vast majority of animals who end up on our plates every single day, but how many of them speak out against that? How many of the people who were so cavalier about animal abuse against cats think nothing of the treatment of animals that, by their own logic, they should be more outraged about instead of funding?

I can't stress this enough, all I did was consistently apply their stance on "food" animals to their stance on cats and that was a problem. In reality, I apply their stance on cats to all animals and that is... still a problem. You seem have enough awareness to understand where I'm going with this.

ZeroX91 posted...

My dog enjoys meat slurry as wellwhat you gonna do put him in jail

No. I have not advocated jailing anyone over this type of thing.

WashYourHands posted...

Some animals are just simply tastier than others

Is it just a matter of taste preference? How do we know whose taste preference matters most? To what extent can we justify doing something based on taste?

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Funkydog posted...

How can you kill something humanely though?

by not killing it inhumanely

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Turtlebread posted...

by not killing it inhumanely

Oh you

But really, how do you kill something/one humanely in your eyes?

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Funkydog posted...

How can you kill something humanely though?

We do it to human beings. When the US executes someone by death penalty, the methods are always as quick and painless as possible.

There are people that believe the death penalty is barbaric and the opposite of humane. I respect that, but regardless there is a difference between executing a person with as little pain as possible, or via torture.

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

Bro, Im gonna be honest.

Im against child exploitation. But if you told me clothes I regularly buy are the result of inhumane sweatshops, Im still going to buy them.

Same rules apply. If I cant see it, it isnt as emotion jerking.

Ill be the honest asshole about it.

That's how I always felt. I'm surprised more people don't just own up to this. It isn't a particularly difficult thing to do.
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iwasapoetonce posted...

We do it to human beings. When the US executes someone by death penalty, the methods are always as quick and painless as possible.

There are people that believe the death penalty is barbaric and the opposite of humane. I respect that, but regardless there is a difference between executing a person with as little pain as possible, or via torture.

That is what I was ultimately getting at. I live in a country where the death penalty is considered an abhorrent act and inhumane no matter how painless you make it. You are ending someone's life and that is not a humane act. The lack of pain, while good, is still missing the mark and a big part of the problem. Something being raised to be killed and often kept in shitty conditions, fed poorly and mistreated by their handlers.

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Funkydog posted...

You are ending someone's life and that is not a humane act. The lack of pain, while good, is still missing the mark and a big part of the problem. Something being raised to be killed and often kept in s***ty conditions, fed poorly and mistreated by their handlers.

This can turn into a longer debate, but to keep it on topic, I'll concede that there are issues of how animals are raised and kept in bad conditions. Also, in general, ending someone's life is not a humane act.

That said, the reason of my post is to show that there is a distinction between ending a life painlessly and quickly versus ending it painfully and slowly. That alone doesn't justify taking a human life, but there is a difference.

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