Current Events > How is the new DOOM DLC?

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I never finished the first DLC. The 2nd mission kicked my ass lol. I'm probably about to restart the first mission and hopefully I can get through it all this time so I can start the new DLC.

Easier than the first one(I played and beat both on Ultra Violence), but the boss is fucking rough if you're not doing well. I think the last fight in the first DLC still took me longer, but the one in Part 2 is an entirely different kind of difficult that I bet a ton of players won't like. *Slight mechanic spoilers for the last fight*

The boss heals itself if they hit you with a melee. I was stuck in the first phase for a bit not noticing that I was losing progress because I was letting myself get hit.

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So like I said I'm only playing Part 1, but.... the new update cartoonized the Marauder? Wtf? Like, when he's stunned, there are dizzy symbols spinning around his head with a cartoon sound effect. I'm not a fan.

Yeah and I think they also change/added the howl to the wolves being summoned. There's a new stun effect you can do on enemies in the second part of the DLC, but it applies to a few stuff in general like Marauders. I guess it's all to add an audio queue to stuff you do, but the stun one sounds funny. I only don't mind it because I like the campy bits of the game <_<

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Meh, Doom 2016 is still the best in the series

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I'll play it soon. Ancient gods part 1 was so insanely hard I didn't even beat it on ultraviolence, and I beat the base game on nightmare.

ArianaGrandSlam posted...

nah

once you realize theres a skip cutscene button, Eternal is the best shooter of the generation

Eternal is a puzzle game disguised as a shooter

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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Eternal is a puzzle game disguised as a shooter

Eh.... improvisation is the key to Eternal. It's true that contrary to most shooters, learning what killed you during your current checkpoint is more important than reflexive skills. But the ever-fleeting ammo/armor/health always forces you to be on your toes and thinking about what unique thing you should do next. I think that's what the game is all about, and I find it to be a very appealing concept. Which is why I prefer Eternal over 2016.

GirTheRobot posted...

I'll play it soon. Ancient gods part 1 was so insanely hard I didn't even beat it on ultraviolence, and I beat the base game on nightmare.

I could not even beat the first mission of Doom 2016 on Nightmare. Otherwise, I play these games on UV.

Based on spoiler videos... well, there was an opportunity to take cues from Dusk and it was not taken advantage of. And I am pretty sad about that.

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Eternal is a puzzle game disguised as a shooter

you could argue that for all all the dooms (except 3)
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ThePieReborn posted...

Based on spoiler videos... well, there was an opportunity to take cues from Dusk and it was not taken advantage of. And I am pretty sad about that.

What are you referring to?

ArianaGrandSlam posted...

nah

once you realize theres a skip cutscene button, Eternal is the best shooter of the generation

Lmao I paid no attention to the story and lore at all. I played the game three times and have no clue what happened. I really don't care. The game play is just insanely good.

Lol Id knew they dun goofed with Ancient Gods Part 1. When you get the new patch and start the game a message pops up explaining how every death helps you and you need to manage your cool downs etc. plus I think they nerfed one of the slayer gates and the bridge fight. Also this one is much easier and has wide, open spaces. Im liking it so far - didnt like part 1 much.

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Downloaded Eternal on Game Pass, played for 10 mins and uninstalled.

Doom 2016 is so much better.

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

Downloaded Eternal on Game Pass, played for 10 mins and uninstalled.

Doom 2016 is so much better.

Well, you gotta give it more than 10 minutes.

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Eternal is a puzzle game disguised as a shooter

Imagine complaining about how a first person shooter game has strategy to it instead of just being a mindless shooter.

To be fair, the first mission in Eternal was pretty bad. I remember playing it for the first time and thinking "Goddamn I hope it gets better than this."

Thank God it did.

I just wish there was an optional upgrade that increases your ammo count a ton so you can mess around with weapons you like. Disable it in higher difficulties if you have to. Doom 2016 still had weapons that were more effective than others against specific demons but you still could go ham with your favorites if you wanted to.

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Though it's still tongue in cheek, I can't help but feel that Doom Eternal takes its story too seriously for its own good.

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I wouldn't call it a puzzler, but I did appreciate the increased platforming over Doom 2016.

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Chicken posted...

I just wish there was an optional upgrade that increases your ammo count a ton so you can mess around with weapons you like. Disable it in higher difficulties if you have to. Doom 2016 still had weapons that were more effective than others against specific demons but you still could go ham with your favorites if you wanted to.

Isnt there an infinite ammo cheat?


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Stalolin posted...

Well, you gotta give it more than 10 minutes.

you can't even skip cutscenes in Doom 2016. it completely throws off the pacing. especially cause the story is just lame and silly and all i wanna do is shoot things.

Doom 2016 is also a LOT slower. You can't dash and you don't start with a double jump. I also think the general movement might be a bit slower.

Doom Eternal is better in every way possible. Ammo management is a pain in the butt at first, but it makes you better at the game. You should be chainsawing fodder enemies all the time. And lighting them on fire, and glory killing them...You should be using your entire arsenal because every single gun in that game is worthwhile and so are 90% of the modifications. It's insanely well designed.

GirTheRobot posted...

Doom Eternal is better in every way possible. Ammo management is a pain in the butt at first, but it makes you better at the game. You should be chainsawing fodder enemies all the time. And lighting them on fire, and glory killing them...You should be using your entire arsenal because every single gun in that game is worthwhile and so are 90% of the modifications. It's insanely well designed.

Very yes.

KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Eternal is a puzzle game disguised as a shooter

I mean, I haven't played Eternal, but when you put it like that it sounds awesome

JimmyFraska posted...

I mean, I haven't played Eternal, but when you put it like that it sounds awesome

It is awesome. Every arena is a test of your wits as well as your twitch reflexes.

People feel forced to use sticky bomb on cacodemon for instance, and the game totally presents it that way, but you can use a ton of weapons on it. Ballistae and rocket, sniper shot, micro missiles, whatever. Same goes for arachnotron and other enemies.

As you get better at the game you recognize more openings and more creative weapon combinations. It's a ton of fun and every arena is exhilarating.

That sounds awesome. I loved 2016. I played on the hardest difficulty. Every time I struggled, I ended up discovering it was because I wasn't being as creative with my arsenal as I needed to be. Really satisfying.

Though I wish the Demons (particularly the imps) in these two new games looked more like hellish demons like in the 90s games and less like aliens.

GirTheRobot posted...

It is awesome. Every arena is a test of your wits as well as your twitch reflexes.

People feel forced to use sticky bomb on cacodemon for instance, and the game totally presents it that way, but you can use a ton of weapons on it. Ballistae and rocket, sniper shot, micro missiles, whatever. Same goes for arachnotron and other enemies.

As you get better at the game you recognize more openings and more creative weapon combinations. It's a ton of fun and every arena is exhilarating.

Yeah I didn't like how the game was like a rock paper scissors match at first before I realized I don't need to always target weak spots.

GirTheRobot posted...

you can't even skip cutscenes in Doom 2016. it completely throws off the pacing. especially cause the story is just lame and silly and all i wanna do is shoot things.

Doom 2016 is also a LOT slower. You can't dash and you don't start with a double jump. I also think the general movement might be a bit slower.

Doom Eternal is better in every way possible. Ammo management is a pain in the butt at first, but it makes you better at the game. You should be chainsawing fodder enemies all the time. And lighting them on fire, and glory killing them...You should be using your entire arsenal because every single gun in that game is worthwhile and so are 90% of the modifications. It's insanely well designed.

I agree!


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I don't remember many cutscenes being in the 2016 DOOM. I remember a few parts where events would happen in-game that you had to sit or walk through, but no cutscenes except for brief boss intros and such.

new dlc is fun and waaaaaay easier than the previous one
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CelestialVoices posted...

new dlc is fun and waaaaaay easier than the previous one

Same. This is great so far.

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Pome posted...

Yeah I didn't like how the game was like a rock paper scissors match at first before I realized I don't need to always target weak spots.

It's still good to take out weak spots, it's just that you don't HAVE to use a sticky bomb to do it. You can use remote detonation rockets, ballistae, sniper shot, plasma beam burst. I'm probably forgetting some.

The game unfortunately paints the picture that stickies and sniping are the best way to go. They should add a caveat in the little tutorials that says "there are many ways to take out these weak spots. Experiment and find out"

^ Yeah dude, I was watching some dude play extremely well on Nightmare difficulty on Twitch last night. He wasn't having to "stick to the script" at all.

So that proves that a lot of people's chief complaint about the game is invalid. "Waaahhhh I have to use certain weapons for certain enemies" lol nope.

Metal_Bug posted...

^ Yeah dude, I was watching some dude play extremely well on Nightmare difficulty on Twitch last night. He wasn't having to "stick to the script" at all.

So that proves that a lot of people's chief complaint about the game is invalid. "Waaahhhh I have to use certain weapons for certain enemies" lol nope.

It's such a BS complaint. Again, the game kind of presents itself as such, and the game could have done a better job of that, but still.

All the people saying 2016 was better just really didn't understand eternal imo. It has some things to complain about for sure, but it literally only improves on 2016 in every possible way. Like, you could just go through 2016 with SSG. Having to use every single item in your arsenal is waaaayyyy more fun and engaging. It forces you to think fast too.

I just bought the dlc and will play it today.

Just beat the first level. Definitely waaaayyy easier than Ancient Gods Part 1. Still fun though. The arena with the optional gore nest was probably the best.

Playing on ultraviolence because I don't want to hate everything. I've died once.

JEEZUS i cannot kill this archvile in the slayer gate on the first level of TAG1.

Holy fuck that Slayer Gate was stupid hard. I had no BFG ammo.

Me: beats a slayer gate

Also me after the next "intense" arena encounter after completing a slayer gate: meh... that was nothing.

Shit these missions are so long. I will have spent my entire 3 day weekend playing the first mission of TAGp1.

I loved the DLC, buuuut it was surprisingly easy on UV and I honestly doubt it's much harder on Nightmare. The boss was incredibly easy.
A bit disappointing in that regard compared to the first DLC.

Beginning The Blood Swamps -- the mission i could not pass 5 months ago.

Well they changed some of the encounters to make it easier since you last played, here are the differences in spawns:

https://i.redd.it/xs9cht0jq7o61.png


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Dudes, the challenge that was that slayer gate in the previous level has caused me to be able to breeze through this section of the game much quicker than the first time I tried.

MJOLNRVII posted...

Well they changed some of the encounters to make it easier since you last played, here are the differences in spawns:

https://i.redd.it/xs9cht0jq7o61.png

Shit. I didn't read any of that, but I hope the only reason I'm breezing through this now isn't because they dumbed the game down. I really feel like I learned a lot through my encounters in the past 36 hours or so.

Man so they made this level easier? No. How do I play the thing I played 5 months ago again? I have to beat THAT.

Whatevs. I'll play this on Nightmare one day anyway. And that will still be harder than Whatever I did before.