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daddychomsky 03/12/21 1:51:01 AM #1:	It just seems fairly hopeless at this point politically. There needs to be a vast investment in green energy technology combined with multilateral environmental efforts and decommissioning of non carbon neutral transportation, and it needs aggressive action taken very quickly if we want to limit the temperature changes which will lead basically to global chaos. The problem is, politically it feels impossible without a mass internationalist collective struggle and honestly? That seems unlikely. The left are useless when it comes to organizing collective movements nowadays, and thats made even harder from how bubbled the internet has become where outrage is kept in the confines of our small gated communities. The political right basically don't believe in man-made climate change, and there's this evangelical/pentecostal view that it doesn't matter anyway because the world is gonna end and Jesus is gonna come back or whatever. The liberals are pushing for some small important changes like the Paris Agreement but thats not even close to being enough. Its a start but its basically like the nuclear proliferation START treaties. A nice positive step, but a very shallow one that ultimately gets ignored and only exists as a symbolic gesture. Are we all just a tad fucked in the grand scheme of things, just like Keynes once said? <cite>daddychomsky posted [p:951623045] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>It just seems fairly hopeless at this point politically. There needs to be a vast investment in green energy technology combined with multilateral environmental efforts and decommissioning of non carbon neutral transportation, and it needs aggressive action taken very quickly if we want to limit the temperature changes which will lead basically to global chaos. The problem is, politically it feels impossible without a mass internationalist collective struggle and honestly? That seems unlikely. The left are useless when it comes to organizing collective movements nowadays, and thats made even harder from how bubbled the internet has become where outrage is kept in the confines of our small gated communities. The political right basically don't believe in man-made climate change, and there's this evangelical/pentecostal view that it doesn't matter anyway because the world is gonna end and Jesus is gonna come back or whatever. The liberals are pushing for some small important changes like the Paris Agreement but thats not even close to being enough. Its a start but its basically like the nuclear proliferation START treaties. A nice positive step, but a very shallow one that ultimately gets ignored and only exists as a symbolic gesture. Are we all just a tad fucked in the grand scheme of things, just like Keynes once said? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heartomaton 03/12/21 1:52:08 AM #2:	Has anyone ever thought about patching the hole in the ozone layer? Seems like a relatively simple task. --- https://www.youtube.com/user/Heartomaton Heartomaton for President 2028. <cite>Heartomaton posted [p:951623060] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>Has anyone ever thought about patching the hole in the ozone layer? Seems like a relatively simple task. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/12/21 1:54:40 AM #3:	1) Renewables are being adopted at the highest rate ever and are a no brainer. Solar panels and wind are the cheapest form of new electricity and have been this way for years. And we're always installing new sources of electricity as we modernize sections of the grid. 2) AOC is highly likely to pull off the Green New Deal in under 10 years and that will solve the problem very quickly from America's point of view. 3) It doesn't matter if China and Saudi Arabia are morally righteous or not. The economics of the matter will slaughter their revenue if they don't modernize. This is why Saudi Arabia is already switching its entire economy over to solar installations and other future projects of that nature. Or at least, the news articles have started trickling in over the last year or two. Hopefully that giant solar project is still going to be rescheduled. 4) electric vehicles and vertical farms will completely upend traditional sources of pollution. etc. lots of reasons to be optimistic --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951623095] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>1) Renewables are being adopted at the highest rate ever and are a no brainer. Solar panels and wind are the cheapest form of new electricity and have been this way for years. And we're always installing new sources of electricity as we modernize sections of the grid. 2) AOC is highly likely to pull off the Green New Deal in under 10 years and that will solve the problem very quickly from America's point of view. 3) It doesn't matter if China and Saudi Arabia are morally righteous or not. The economics of the matter will slaughter their revenue if they don't modernize. This is why Saudi Arabia is already switching its entire economy over to solar installations and other future projects of that nature. Or at least, the news articles have started trickling in over the last year or two. Hopefully that giant solar project is still going to be rescheduled. 4) electric vehicles and vertical farms will completely upend traditional sources of pollution. etc. lots of reasons to be optimistic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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daddychomsky 03/12/21 1:58:16 AM #5:	Heartomaton posted... Has anyone ever thought about patching the hole in the ozone layer? Seems like a relatively simple task. the ozone layer problem actually got solved for the most part with the worldwide banning of CCDs I believe. Although I think climate change requires much larger fundamental changes to our economy and infrastructure that it feels a lot less feasible combined with how politicians essentially have no power anymore :P <cite>daddychomsky posted [p:951623145] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>Heartomaton posted... </cite> <quote>Has anyone ever thought about patching the hole in the ozone layer? Seems like a relatively simple task.</quote>the ozone layer problem actually got solved for the most part with the worldwide banning of CCDs I believe. Although I think climate change requires much larger fundamental changes to our economy and infrastructure that it feels a lot less feasible combined with how politicians essentially have no power anymore :P </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/12/21 1:58:35 AM #6:	leverageblargh posted... You won't be alive for the worst of it. Let the young'uns worry about it. brutal but technically true and a valid point of view if one wishes to have it --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951623150] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>leverageblargh posted... </cite> <quote>You won't be alive for the worst of it. Let the young'uns worry about it.</quote> brutal but technically true and a valid point of view if one wishes to have it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
daddychomsky 03/12/21 1:58:52 AM #7:	pure_temper posted... 1) Renewables are being adopted at the highest rate ever and are a no brainer. Solar panels and wind are the cheapest form of new electricity and have been this way for years. And we're always installing new sources of electricity as we modernize sections of the grid. 2) AOC is highly likely to pull off the Green New Deal in under 10 years and that will solve the problem very quickly from America's point of view. 3) It doesn't matter if China and Saudi Arabia are morally righteous or not. The economics of the matter will slaughter their revenue if they don't modernize. This is why Saudi Arabia is already switching its entire economy over to solar installations and other future projects of that nature. Or at least, the news articles have started trickling in over the last year or two. Hopefully that giant solar project is still going to be rescheduled. 4) electric vehicles and vertical farms will completely upend traditional sources of pollution. etc. lots of reasons to be optimistic God I hope so. <cite>daddychomsky posted [p:951623154] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>1) Renewables are being adopted at the highest rate ever and are a no brainer. Solar panels and wind are the cheapest form of new electricity and have been this way for years. And we're always installing new sources of electricity as we modernize sections of the grid. 2) AOC is highly likely to pull off the Green New Deal in under 10 years and that will solve the problem very quickly from America's point of view. 3) It doesn't matter if China and Saudi Arabia are morally righteous or not. The economics of the matter will slaughter their revenue if they don't modernize. This is why Saudi Arabia is already switching its entire economy over to solar installations and other future projects of that nature. Or at least, the news articles have started trickling in over the last year or two. Hopefully that giant solar project is still going to be rescheduled. 4) electric vehicles and vertical farms will completely upend traditional sources of pollution. etc. lots of reasons to be optimistic</quote>God I hope so. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
daddychomsky 03/12/21 1:59:17 AM #8:	leverageblargh posted... You won't be alive for the worst of it. Let the young'uns worry about it. I wanna have kids! <cite>daddychomsky posted [p:951623159] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>leverageblargh posted... </cite> <quote>You won't be alive for the worst of it. Let the young'uns worry about it.</quote>I wanna have kids! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
34_ShaqRule_34 03/12/21 2:00:05 AM #9:	Ask China and India <cite>34_ShaqRule_34 posted [p:951623171] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>Ask China and India</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heartomaton 03/12/21 2:01:37 AM #10:	daddychomsky posted... the ozone layer problem actually got solved for the most part with the worldwide banning of CCDs I believe. Although I think climate change requires much larger fundamental changes to our economy and infrastructure that it feels a lot less feasible combined with how politicians essentially have no power anymore :P We solved the worsening of it, if that's true, but did we actually fix the hole? Seems like hiring NASA to fly canisters of ozone to the atmospheric level of the problem and release the gas would help a lot, unless I completely misunderstood the issue. --- https://www.youtube.com/user/Heartomaton Heartomaton for President 2028. <cite>Heartomaton posted [p:951623197] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>daddychomsky posted... </cite> <quote>the ozone layer problem actually got solved for the most part with the worldwide banning of CCDs I believe. Although I think climate change requires much larger fundamental changes to our economy and infrastructure that it feels a lot less feasible combined with how politicians essentially have no power anymore :P</quote> We solved the worsening of it, if that's true, but did we actually fix the hole? Seems like hiring NASA to fly canisters of ozone to the atmospheric level of the problem and release the gas would help a lot, unless I completely misunderstood the issue. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/12/21 2:01:40 AM #11:	34_ShaqRule_34 posted... Ask China and India don't foster xenophobic ideas please they have no choice. the economics of vertical farms and electric vehicles (already happening) and renewables (also already happening) is forcing them to make the leap anyway. India is basically bypassing shitty power poles and wires everywhere, saving tons of capital and resources...by just building solar installations everywhere. Etc. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951623198] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>34_ShaqRule_34 posted... </cite> <quote>Ask China and India</quote> don't foster xenophobic ideas please they have no choice. the economics of vertical farms and electric vehicles (already happening) and renewables (also already happening) is forcing them to make the leap anyway. India is basically bypassing shitty power poles and wires everywhere, saving tons of capital and resources...by just building solar installations everywhere. Etc. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/12/21 2:02:07 AM #12:	daddychomsky posted... I wanna have kids! me too so yeah, that's why even though that other dude's view is legitimate and logical, for me i can't accept it --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951623207] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>daddychomsky posted... </cite> <quote>I wanna have kids!</quote> me too so yeah, that's why even though that other dude's view is legitimate and logical, for me i can't accept it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
34_ShaqRule_34 03/12/21 2:02:30 AM #13:	Is calling India and China out on their pollution and willingly hurting the environment really xenophobic though? <cite>34_ShaqRule_34 posted [p:951623213] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>Is calling India and China out on their pollution and willingly hurting the environment really xenophobic though?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/12/21 2:02:41 AM #14:	Heartomaton posted... We solved the worsening of it, if that's true, but did we actually fix the hole? Seems like hiring NASA to fly canisters of ozone to the atmospheric level of the problem and release the gas would help a lot, unless I completely misunderstood the issue. latest and greatest news from a few years ago was that the hole has basically shrunken to safe levels and it's not a problem anymore, so nobody really cares about it lol --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951623218] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>Heartomaton posted... </cite> <quote>We solved the worsening of it, if that's true, but did we actually fix the hole? Seems like hiring NASA to fly canisters of ozone to the atmospheric level of the problem and release the gas would help a lot, unless I completely misunderstood the issue.</quote> latest and greatest news from a few years ago was that the hole has basically shrunken to safe levels and it's not a problem anymore, so nobody really cares about it lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/12/21 2:04:12 AM #15:	34_ShaqRule_34 posted... Is calling India and China out on their pollution really xenophobic though? yeah because it's not their fault they wanted to industrialize that way for the longest time. the Big Oil billionaires forced renewables and electric vehicles into the shadows for a long time. so they could keep profiting from being the fuel for industrialization at planetary scale. but finally the science caught up and the tech improved and solar and wind are superior. now that this is not contestable anymore, China and India are already just going to solar and wind right off the bat in their underdeveloped zones. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951623236] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>34_ShaqRule_34 posted... </cite> <quote>Is calling India and China out on their pollution really xenophobic though?</quote> yeah because it's not their fault they wanted to industrialize that way for the longest time. the Big Oil billionaires forced renewables and electric vehicles into the shadows for a long time. so they could keep profiting from being the fuel for industrialization at planetary scale. but finally the science caught up and the tech improved and solar and wind are superior. now that this is not contestable anymore, China and India are already just going to solar and wind right off the bat in their underdeveloped zones. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
34_ShaqRule_34 03/12/21 2:04:59 AM #16:	i saw you defending China in the other topic about the uyghurs so I'm taking your info with the finest grain of salt <cite>34_ShaqRule_34 posted [p:951623247] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>i saw you defending China in the other topic about the uyghurs so I'm taking your info with the finest grain of salt</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnvoyOfTheLight 03/12/21 2:05:01 AM #17:	leverageblargh posted... You won't be alive for the worst of it. Let the young'uns worry about it. I get it if you just don't care about other people, but it's weird when people who want kids say this. --- i horf and i <cite>EnvoyOfTheLight posted [p:951623248] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>leverageblargh posted... </cite> <quote>You won't be alive for the worst of it. Let the young'uns worry about it.</quote> I get it if you just don't care about other people, but it's weird when people who want kids say this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
daddychomsky 03/12/21 2:09:36 AM #19:	34_ShaqRule_34 posted... i saw you defending China in the other topic about the uyghurs so I'm taking your info with the finest grain of salt I certainly did not defend China about the Uyghurs! China is an imperialist state <cite>daddychomsky posted [p:951623320] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>34_ShaqRule_34 posted... </cite> <quote>i saw you defending China in the other topic about the uyghurs so I'm taking your info with the finest grain of salt</quote>I certainly did not defend China about the Uyghurs! China is an imperialist state </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
34_ShaqRule_34 03/12/21 2:10:07 AM #20:	daddychomsky posted... I certainly did not defend China about the Uyghurs! China is an imperialist state talking to pure_temper <cite>34_ShaqRule_34 posted [p:951623329] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>daddychomsky posted...</cite> <quote> I certainly did not defend China about the Uyghurs! China is an imperialist state </quote> talking to pure_temper</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
daddychomsky 03/12/21 2:11:54 AM #21:	34_ShaqRule_34 posted... talking to pure_temper ah ok <cite>daddychomsky posted [p:951623357] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>34_ShaqRule_34 posted... </cite> <quote>talking to pure_temper</quote>ah ok </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 03/12/21 2:14:41 AM #22:	pure_temper posted... yeah because it's not their fault they wanted to industrialize that way for the longest time. the Big Oil billionaires forced renewables and electric vehicles into the shadows for a long time. so they could keep profiting from being the fuel for industrialization at planetary scale. but finally the science caught up and the tech improved and solar and wind are superior. now that this is not contestable anymore, China and India are already just going to solar and wind right off the bat in their underdeveloped zones. Im nOT a TAnKiE. Im THe BIgGEsT ANtITaNKIe EVEr i SWear --- I shouldnt be approaching 30 and preparing for life as a climate refugee. <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:951623413] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>yeah because it's not their fault they wanted to industrialize that way for the longest time. the Big Oil billionaires forced renewables and electric vehicles into the shadows for a long time. so they could keep profiting from being the fuel for industrialization at planetary scale. but finally the science caught up and the tech improved and solar and wind are superior. now that this is not contestable anymore, China and India are already just going to solar and wind right off the bat in their underdeveloped zones.</quote> Im nOT a TAnKiE. Im THe BIgGEsT ANtITaNKIe EVEr i SWear </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 03/12/21 2:18:01 AM #24:	It's okay to defend China if someone has honest reasons for doing so and they're being as objective as they can muster at this time. We need to trust the most objective sources possible. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951623462] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>It's okay to defend China if someone has honest reasons for doing so and they're being as objective as they can muster at this time. We need to trust the most objective sources possible. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
daddychomsky 03/12/21 2:18:18 AM #25:	CommonJoe posted... Im nOT a TAnKiE. Im THe BIgGEsT ANtITaNKIe EVEr i SWear i dont even get how tankies can support China. China abandoned communism as in ideology in practice in the late 70s. Workers were literally throwing themselves off of buildings coz of the bad conditions a few years ago. It just boggles the mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42syJxO2_es <cite>daddychomsky posted [p:951623468] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>CommonJoe posted... </cite> <quote>Im nOT a TAnKiE. Im THe BIgGEsT ANtITaNKIe EVEr i SWear</quote>i dont even get how tankies can support China. China abandoned communism as in ideology in practice in the late 70s. Workers were literally throwing themselves off of buildings coz of the bad conditions a few years ago. It just boggles the mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42syJxO2_es </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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daddychomsky 03/12/21 2:24:56 AM #27:	leverageblargh posted... Your kids will survive the apocalypse if they're strong enough Even if you go to hell for being selfish how bad could it be Ever seen Children of Men? <cite>daddychomsky posted [p:951623574] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>leverageblargh posted... </cite> <quote>Your kids will survive the apocalypse if they're strong enough Even if you go to hell for being selfish how bad could it be</quote>Ever seen Children of Men? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DamnSasquatch 03/12/21 2:25:45 AM #28:	Stop shitting in my woods --- "I'll tell you who stole those lunches. That damn sasquatch" <cite>DamnSasquatch posted [p:951623584] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>Stop shitting in my woods </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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34_ShaqRule_34 03/12/21 2:30:12 AM #30:	pure_temper posted... It's okay to defend China if someone has honest reasons for doing so and they're being as objective as they can muster at this time. We need to trust the most objective sources possible. yikes also your original post was way worse good thing you deleted it <cite>34_ShaqRule_34 posted [p:951623666] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted...</cite> <quote>It's okay to defend China if someone has honest reasons for doing so and they're being as objective as they can muster at this time. We need to trust the most objective sources possible. </quote> yikes also your original post was way worse good thing you deleted it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 03/12/21 2:30:40 AM #31:	--- I shouldnt be approaching 30 and preparing for life as a climate refugee. <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:951623675] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
daddychomsky 03/12/21 2:31:31 AM #32:	leverageblargh posted... No I haven't daddy tell me about it Lmao I regret choosing this username now Basically it's a sci fi film and novel where essentially ppl have lost the ability to reproduce because of a disease thats spread across the globe. Because of a lack of future and hope for the human species, the world has descended into chaos. The only country left standing is Britain which has essentially turned into a authoritarian fascist state in response to the refugee crisis, of people wishing to flee the chaos in their home countries. <cite>daddychomsky posted [p:951623686] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>leverageblargh posted... </cite> <quote>No I haven't daddy tell me about it</quote>Lmao I regret choosing this username now Basically it's a sci fi film and novel where essentially ppl have lost the ability to reproduce because of a disease thats spread across the globe. Because of a lack of future and hope for the human species, the world has descended into chaos. The only country left standing is Britain which has essentially turned into a authoritarian fascist state in response to the refugee crisis, of people wishing to flee the chaos in their home countries. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaiganeer 03/12/21 3:29:07 AM #33:	just don't have kids and enjoy the relative luxury we have right now <cite>Kaiganeer posted [p:951624469] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>just don't have kids and enjoy the relative luxury we have right now </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
onedarksoul 03/12/21 4:01:35 AM #34:	daddychomsky posted... Are we all just a tad fucked in the grand scheme of things, just like Keynes once said? No. The hopelessness you talk about, thats been cultured and engendered over decades at this point. None of it is real. --- Finish a game? Add it to our list! Beat 1,000 games: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/213-nonstop-gaming-general/79298294 <cite>onedarksoul posted [p:951624833] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>daddychomsky posted... </cite> <quote>Are we all just a tad fucked in the grand scheme of things, just like Keynes once said?</quote>No. The hopelessness you talk about, thats been cultured and engendered over decades at this point. None of it is real. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Omnislasher 03/12/21 5:29:27 PM #35:	Nothing. <cite>Omnislasher posted [p:951646310] in So what ar... [t:79344389]...</cite> <quote>Nothing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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