Current Events > Philippine military executing left wing activists and labor leaders

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Uhh what? How does embargoes have anything to do with war hawks and how do you propose we tax another country's bourgeoisie?

we start with a wealth tax in europe (and the uk, fuck brexit) and in the USA and Australia and all western democracies.

trying to stunt a nations economics like that can cause destabilizing effects. We must be extremely careful with anything which causes that kind of friction. Itll ramp up Dutertes fascist speech and mobilize more crazies otherwise and make him a more dangerous North Korea.

Altho im just an armchair person, if the UN/EU/USA investigate and find that is the best approach, i honestly could be wrong. I just think we gotta avoid giving Duterte more ammo.

if sanctions are justified I imagine straight up deposing Duterte will be before long and Im hoping theres a democratic way for that

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Duterte is not right-wing >_>
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Bio1590 posted...

Duterte is not right-wing >_>

he really seems like a legit Nazi or a Maoist or the equivalent

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pure_temper posted...

he really seems like a legit Nazi or a Maoist or the equivalent

he isn't, his economic and trade policies are pretty standard centrist stuff for the most part. it just so happens that he also wants to violently kill various groups of people

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ultimate reaver posted...

he isn't, his economic and trade policies are pretty standard centrist stuff for the most part. it just so happens that he also wants to violently kill various groups of people

You know exactly how this happens tho, right? When it happened in Romania, the fascists started killing minorities and rising to power. They targeted the leftists first too. He's a Nazi or alt-right sympathizer. That is what they want.

Look at the stage at CPAC. The golden idol. The proudboys being investigated for ties to the Trump campaign (lead Proudboy was FBI information). It's a clear picture imo.

No harm in being extra cautious - he needs to be stopped one way or another regardless. It's becoming clear that the alt-right is a serious problem all over the world. Basically a shadow of the Nazi movement in the 1900s.

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not disputing that purging leftists is an integral step to just about every successful facist regime in history, but facism is a whole lot more than killings.

duerte's shit is very much new-fashioned and his decidedly non-facist economic policies make it easier for him to disregard critics of his completely insane social policies because they try to pidgeonhole him

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apolloooo posted...

Who keeps electing these far right dictator wannabe dumbasses

Many of them were put in place by the CIA

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ultimate reaver posted...

not disputing that purging leftists is an integral step to just about every successful facist regime in history, but facism is a whole lot more than killings.

duerte's shit is very much new-fashioned and his decidedly non-facist economic policies make it easier for him to disregard critics of his completely insane social policies because they try to pidgeonhole him

i see. this is very valuable analysis. where do you think it goes? how would you suggest stopping him?

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daddychomsky posted...

Many of them were put in place by the CIA

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you know FBI and CIA are about to put proudboy Capitol terrorists in prison? and that the lead Proudboy was an FBI informant.

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pure_temper posted...

you know FBI and CIA are about to put proudboy Capitol terrorists in prison? and that the lead Proudboy was an FBI informant.

Only because having far right terrorists domestically creates instability. They've never seemed to have a problem with it when it comes to foreign policy though.

https://www.salon.com/2014/03/08/35_countries_the_u_s_has_backed_international_crime_partner/

Look up the Chicago Boys

Fun fact: the us sponsored a coup in Iraq and gave lists of communists to a then young Saddam Hussain for him to execute which then led to him gaining power

daddychomsky posted...

Only because having far right terrorists domestically creates instability. They've never seemed to have a problem with it when it comes to foreign policy though.

https://www.salon.com/2014/03/08/35_countries_the_u_s_has_backed_international_crime_partner/

Look up the Chicago Boys

That is 7 year old information at this point and I think we've come a long way from realizing that there's alt-right tendrils everywhere. Fox News is now widely considered a propaganda machine and a joke and everyone knows about the abuses of power perpetuated by those with immense capital and stupid ideas around "purity of blood" (like the royal family) (watch the Megan and Harry interview on Oprah)

I think people also realize that most likely everyone is similary being fucked by the last vestiges of alt-right garbage. They have troll farms all over the world and all they really want is chaos so their new reich can emerge out of the rubble. Fuck em. Tax the very top of it and it'll stop. Warren and Sanders wealth tax is the way.

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Getting serious flashbacks to the jakarta method right now. Is there anything sadder than being left wing in this world? Just wanting a better world is a death sentence by controlling, abusive assholes who protect power and inequality. So fucking sad.

pure_temper posted...

That is 7 year old information at this point and I think we've come a long way from realizing that there's alt-right tendrils everywhere. Fox News is now widely considered a propaganda machine and a joke and everyone knows about the abuses of power perpetuated by those with immense capital and stupid ideas around "purity of blood" (like the royal family) (watch the Megan and Harry interview on Oprah)

I think people also realize that most likely everyone is similary being fucked by the last vestiges of alt-right garbage. They have troll farms all over the world and all they really want is chaos so their new reich can emerge out of the rubble. Fuck em. Tax the very top of it and it'll stop. Warren and Sanders wealth tax is the way.

Eh even liberal media is part of the propaganda machine. Especially the New York Times, historically speaking. The liberal media supported the war in Vietnam despite mass opposition to it for the most part, and when it ended up they talked about it not as the moral atrocity it is, but in terms of "strategic failure". All of the mainstream news organisations actively promote American exceptionalism and its imperialism

The major news networks are literally massive corporations that are fully infiltrated by the cia (operation mockingbird) and no different than state media.

My ex husband thought Duterte was great.

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Sounds like war crimes to me, is Biden going to make sanctions?

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pure_temper posted...

we start with a wealth tax in europe (and the uk, fuck brexit) and in the USA and Australia and all western democracies.

I still don't really see how any of this affects the philippines.

pure_temper posted...

trying to stunt a nations economics like that can cause destabilizing effects. We must be extremely careful with anything which causes that kind of friction. Itll ramp up Dutertes fascist speech and mobilize more crazies otherwise and make him a more dangerous North Korea.

This is essentially the point. Duterte flees for his life and whoever takes over is told by western alliances that if they want trade to be opened again they have to convert to democracy. There's no point in negotiating trading with a fascist dictatorship because you're literally just funding the slaughter of their own people.

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fuming posted...

The major news networks are literally massive corporations that are fully infiltrated by the cia (operation mockingbird) and no different than state media.

Hmm there definitely is that CIA involvement to a degree but I think its also just an inherent part of the sort of economic model news media goes by and how it functions economically.

Lemme think of an example off the top of my head.

Coca Cola's supply chain is absolutely filled with atrocity. Bottling plant union leaders and their families being assassinated, horrific conditions in plants, accusations of slavery, all sorts. Yet you almost never hear about it for the most part. Why? Well Coca Cola is a large corporation that doesn't just own coke, but the many subsidiaries. They also market everywhere they possibly can through their advertisements.

What would happen if say, a mainstream news organisation, reported heavily on these atrocities? Well it would be terrible public relations for coca cola, so they would pull their funding from these media companies in advertising, which is where most of their income comes from. And because there's a vested interest in maximising profit and income for the news company there's also a vested interest to not upset the people giving them the money. Makes sense, right?

Then there's the Chilling Effect and constant threat of litigation and what have you

This is why activists and labor leaders should probably think about arming themselves if at all possible

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Gwynevere posted...

This is why activists and labor leaders should probably think about arming themselves if at all possible

this is the only answer and I dont care about anyone elses gaslighting or fucking bullshit about the CIA or FBI

at this point that stuff was sorta true during the Reagan days (he was an awful president) but thats a long time ago and there is CLEARLY a problem with an alt-right shadow across the whole world.

2nd Amendment is necessary. Its American too.

edit: obviously they will prosecute and imprison the alt-righters who tried to co-opt our institutions and intelligence agencies leading up to the Jan 6th incident

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Tyranthraxus posted...

This is essentially the point. Duterte flees for his life and whoever takes over is told by western alliances that if they want trade to be opened again they have to convert to democracy. There's no point in negotiating trading with a fascist dictatorship because you're literally just funding the slaughter of their own people.

this is a good argument but i honestly would rather defer to TC or Omnislasher or etc since I dont have enough long-term experience to truly know if its the best one. I mean i can see myself agreeing but would need more opinions from others.

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pure_temper posted...

i see. this is very valuable analysis. where do you think it goes? how would you suggest stopping him?

I think the scope of what he's been doing is going to continue to increase, and human rights are going to continue to be peeled away. The police in the Philippines are basically able to extrajudicially kill people at the moment and since that has skated by without being stopped it's been expanding to other groups of people, who happen to include political resistance which will allow him to consolidate power by ceasing dissent.

As far as what can be done? It's questionable. He was elected on a wave of populist upheaval against neoliberal policies that utterly failed the country for a prolonged period of time. The people of the country are going to need to work out if that's the direction they want to go in. Certainly nothing outsiders can do except report on human rights violations

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Tyranthraxus posted...

What the fuck is your 357 or AR15 at best going to do against the united States military?

You'd be surprised. Fact of the matter is those wars CAN be won but they're extremely violent and bloody affairs that last an incredibly long time, with small chance of victory for the less well equipped. But they can still win

pure_temper posted...

Jesus. It's the alt-right colossus trying to take power by force. Fuck the alt-right machine.

I wish people on this board would learn what the alt right is

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daddychomsky posted...

Eh even liberal media is part of the propaganda machine. Especially the New York Times, historically speaking. The liberal media supported the war in Vietnam despite mass opposition to it for the most part, and when it ended up they talked about it not as the moral atrocity it is, but in terms of "strategic failure". All of the mainstream news organisations actively promote American exceptionalism and its imperialism

This used to be more the case, but I think CNBC and the NY Times are mostly very good. They may lick hedgie boots from time to time because of attempts to make money with stock. Still a huge problem.

Meanwhile you have Fox News and Charlie Kirk gargling the UK monarch's propaganda contra Megan & Harry. I think the problem with the mainstream news organizations is that they're not promoting anyone anymore - they're really serving as mouthpieces for an alt-right cult that has serious capital behind it and exists separate from all major nations.

Like, if they succeeded on January 6th I'm pretty confident America would have collapsed. No way the alt-right cultists could assassinated AOC/Pelosi/Pence that way without literally every side in the country going to war. Nobody in America itself would win from that, so clearly American imperialism is not the goal.

I'm pretty sure it's a group of people that is not aligned with any one country. But most likely an international group of people obsessed with the idea of a new reich or something like that. A "fresh slate" or something.

The QAnon rabbithole for example is truly insane and full of people who desire something like that. It's a bizarre fusion of fundie end-times prophesying and the desire for ethnonationalist states. I see it because I research it and pay attention to it because I'm concerned. January 6th was very close. Must never be allowed to happen again.

Solution: Tax the royal families and billionaires. Wealth tax already on the table. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/01/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-propose-3percent-wealth-tax-on-billionaires.html

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ultimate reaver posted...

Certainly nothing outsiders can do except report on human rights violations

This is very distressing because if Duterte is at all tied to Trump's proudboys, it may mean that there is an international relationship between alt-right troll farms/pockets.

And if he's already that unhinged, and if Trump is becoming even more unhinged (per his bullshit covid letter he just circulated the other day)...then...

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Doe posted...

Odds are Duterte does this on fed/CIA orders

Nah, Duterte has always been outrageous. Check his history.

If the US does not intervene, its because its own citizens really hate getting involved in international affairs. I mean it still does when pushed or when there is an obvious incentive to interfere, but there is nothing to gain from it now. The best you can hope for is a strongly worded letter of criticism.

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Duterte has absolutely been like this from the start. He also tries to play both sides on the US and China in the region but it's debatable if it's working out for him. I don't think either state is very happy with him.

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Republicans love Duerte, they call him "the Trump of Asia" they love facsim, they wish to be part of the military's or police in a facism government.

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Nah, Duterte has always been outrageous. Check his history.

If the US does not intervene, its because its own citizens really hate getting involved in international affairs. I mean it still does when pushed or when there is an obvious incentive to interfere, but there is nothing to gain from it now. The best you can hope for is a strongly worded letter of criticism.

The US has a history of backing and platforming despicable people. Go Google Pinochet

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Not surprising in the least from Rody, unfortunately.