Current Events > The Snyder Cut leaked earlier today

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somebody about to get cancelled :(

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the best part of all the irrational Snyder hate is that it literally doesn't happen with most other directors

like people who enjoy a movie or a fanbase just stick to themselves and enjoy it on their forums. like the Cloverfield people still love the movies even though the latest ones weren't even related. they enjoy the VR / AR games and the social media lore you can find and etc.

it's weird af but you don't see all this hate boner for Cloverfield's directors or studios the way you do for Snyder and Warner lmao. for some really strange reason people go out of their way to shit on Snyder's tastes.,

why? lmao

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At the very least, Schumacher was self-aware he was making bad films, and had fun with it.

pure_temper posted...

the best part of all the irrational Snyder hate is that it literally doesn't happen with most other directors

like people who enjoy a movie or a fanbase just stick to themselves and enjoy it on their forums. like the Cloverfield people still love the movies even though the latest ones weren't even related. they enjoy the VR / AR games and the social media lore you can find and etc.

it's weird af but you don't see all this hate boner for Cloverfield's directors or studios the way you do for Snyder and Warner lmao. for some really strange reason people go out of their way to shit on Snyder's tastes.,

why? lmao

Because Snyder fucked up the DCEU? Cloverfield Paradox sucks but as you said they're not even related. They can easily just make another one.

Plenty of superhero movies have big name directors to them that heavily influence how they are. Burton, Schumacher, Donner, Raimi, Nolan etc. A lot of responsibility, credit or blame is placed on all of them.

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I learned he's doing a zombie movie today, which seems cool. I wouldn't mind watching it as a pure popcorn guzzler cheesefest.

I just don't like how he approaches Superman.

Also, I'm just gonna say it. Joss Whedon had a fair bit of creative input on Justice League, ordering reshoots and changing the colour grading, but a majority of what you're seeing in the original Justice League movie is Zack Snyder. A majority of the shit that Zack Snyder is getting rid of to make his own "original" vision is probably his own fucking work on the original movie.

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Darmik posted...

Because Snyder fucked up the DCEU? Cloverfield Paradox sucks but as you said they're not even related. They can easily just make another one.

Plenty of superhero movies have big name directors to them that heavily influence how they are. Burton, Schumacher, Donner, Raimi, Nolan etc.

nah bro if you are into the Cloverfield movies, you know that the fans DEFINITELY go out of their way to find ways those movies are connected lmao. even though most other people including me just laugh my ass off at the bizarre connections they try to make. but maybe some of them are legitimate teasers or easter eggs left by the studio and it's just something they enjoy? I literally have never seen anyone hate on them or go out of their way to mock them the way some of you people do it with Snyder and Warner lol.

Snyder didn't fuck up the DCEU. Greed did. The studio wanted to move too fast and wanted to control everything so it's Marvel rip-off.

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MrMallard posted...

I just don't like how he approaches Superman.

Also, I'm just gonna say it. Joss Whedon had a fair bit of creative input on Justice League, ordering reshoots and changing the colour grading, but a majority of what you're seeing in the original Justice League movie is Zack Snyder. A majority of the shit that Zack Snyder is getting rid of to make his own "original" vision is probably his own fucking work on the original movie.

first of all I've watched MoS and BvS at least 5 times a piece lol. and Justice League I didn't even finish because it was garbage. It's clear that it wasn't Snyder. His daughter situation fucked him up (everyone has to fuckin realize that, it was a problem for him for years not just right when she kileld herself, she had been depressed for a long time and that's why his movies are the way they are)

what was wrong with how he approached Man of Steel? The Jesus imagery? it's because he was trying to explain to his daughter how he thinks about the Bible (that's my theory at least lmao)

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pure_temper posted...

it's because he was trying to explain to his daughter how he thinks about the Bible

And that's the problem. Nobody wants to see deep allegory or gain new insight on the human condition by watching a superhero film. Watchmen (and Sin City) got away with it because that was the whole point of the source material. Superman is suppose to be golden-age jingoism and feelgood shit, not dark and moody - we're there to have fun and be entertained for a couple hours or so.

Marvel gets this, most of the time anyway. DC almost figured that out, with Shazam and Aquaman.

pure_temper posted...

nah bro if you are into the Cloverfield movies, you know that the fans DEFINITELY go out of their way to find ways those movies are connected lmao. even though most other people including me just laugh my ass off at the bizarre connections they try to make. but maybe some of them are legitimate teasers or easter eggs left by the studio and it's just something they enjoy? I literally have never seen anyone hate on them or go out of their way to mock them the way some of you people do it with Snyder and Warner lol.

Either way Cloverfield are just the movies. They're not adaptations of stuff with decades of history.

pure_temper posted...

Snyder didn't fuck up the DCEU. Greed did. The studio wanted to move too fast and wanted to control everything so it's Marvel rip-off.

Snyder wanted Batman to fight Superman in the sequel to Man of Steel. That was his idea.

Also his movies were mediocre at best and that's what they had to launch a cinematic universe from regardless if they rushed or not. Either way they're stuck with his shitty interpretation of the characters.

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Darmik posted...

Because Snyder fucked up the DCEU? Cloverfield Paradox sucks but as you said they're not even related. They can easily just make another one.

Plenty of superhero movies have big name directors to them that heavily influence how they are. Burton, Schumacher, Donner, Raimi, Nolan etc. A lot of responsibility, credit or blame is placed on all of them.

Lol no. WB executives fucked up the DCEU by deciding to not take the time to build the universe before doing the team up film. And I say this as someone who isn't a particularly big fan of Snyder.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

Lol no. WB executives fucked up the DCEU by deciding to not take the time to build the universe before doing the team up film. And I say this as someone who isn't a particularly big fan of Snyder.

Batman vs Superman was already shitty before the shitty team up film. That's all on him. The universe was already unsalvageable after that movie.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

And that's the problem. Nobody wants to see deep allegory or gain new insight on the human condition by watching a superhero film. Watchmen (and Sin City) got away with it because that was the whole point of the source material. Superman is suppose to be golden-age jingoism and feelgood shit, not dark and moody - we're there to have fun and be entertained for a couple hours or so.

Marvel gets this, most of the time anyway. DC almost figured that out, with Shazam and Aquaman.

no dude, I fucking love Marvel too and if I want that I will just go to Marvel. that is Marvel's identity and formula now, no one can touch that or mess with that. And they shouldn't. Let Marvel be that. And let DCEU be the philosophical and allegorical shit for the sci-fi junkies and theologians.

for Christ sake stop shining Disney's boots.

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pure_temper posted...

The Man From Nowhere (South Korean)

Hell yeah!
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pure_temper posted...

for Christ sake stop shining Disney's boots.

Thor 2 sucked.
Total waste of Eccleston.

Darmik posted...

Either way Cloverfield are just the movies. They're not adaptations of stuff with decades of history.

I'm not sure how this is relevant. It's still the case the fanbase is exactly as motivated to interpet and find elaborate connections that may or may not be valid, as the other fanbase. Yet only one is as villified even though Superman movies have arguably NEVER been truly good even when they WERE more Marvel-y in nature lmao.

We don't need more Marvel.

Darmik posted...

Snyder wanted Batman to fight Superman in the sequel to Man of Steel. That was his idea.

Also his movies were mediocre at best and that's what they had to launch a cinematic universe from regardless if they rushed or not. Either way they're stuck with his shitty interpretation of the characters.

DCEU definitely messed up by trying to bring them together way too soon. imo they should have done two more Superman movies and a couple solid Batman movies and Wonder Woman movies and etc first. And then done more elaborate EU stuff but keeping it tight.

In any case I liked the fight between Batman and Superman lol. Thought it was badass that Batman stood a chance.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

Thor 2 sucked.
Total waste of Eccleston.

Even Eccelston hated working on that movie. They promised him he'd only be in makeup for like an hour or two per day, but the makeup actually took like 10 hours each time. He'd have to wake up at like 3am so he'd be ready by noon.

Only part he liked was getting to work with Anthony Hopkins and Hemsworth.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

Lol no. WB executives fucked up the DCEU by deciding to not take the time to build the universe before doing the team up film. And I say this as someone who isn't a particularly big fan of Snyder.

dude I fucking knew it. I knew I wasn't the only one who thought this way lmfao. was beginning to lose hope that there was common sense left. like i told the other guy, it really seems like most people are losing it these days lmao.

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This is exactly why people don't like Snyder fans

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Darmik posted...

Batman vs Superman was already shitty before the shitty team up film. That's all on him. The universe was already unsalvageable after that movie.

Whose idea was it to cram Doomsday, Lex Luthor, and Wonder Woman into a movie that was supposed to be about a fight between Batman and Superman? Hell, whose idea was it to make that universe's first Batman movie about him fighting Superman? I agree that the universe was doomed after that movie, but that still doesn't change that the movie and the universe by extension was doomed by the WB executives.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20140522034216/http://news.moviefone.com/2014/04/18/zack-snyder-batman-man-of-steel-sequel

I gotta be honest, it definitely was a thing that... after Man of Steel finished and we started talking about what would be in the next movie, I started subtly mentioning that it would be cool if he faced Batman. In the first meeting, it was like, "Maybe Batman?" Maybe at the end of the second movie, some Kryptonite gets delivered to Bruce Wayne's house or something. Like in a cryptic way, that's the first time we see him. But then, once you say it out loud, right? You're in a story meeting talking about, like, who should [Superman] fight if he fought this giant alien threat Zod who was basically his equal physically, from his planet, fighting on our turf... You know, who to fight next? The problem is, once you say it out loud, then it's kind of hard to go back, right? Once you say, "What about Batman?" then you realize, "Okay, that's a cool idea. What else?" I mean, what do you say after that? ...But I'm not gonna say at all that when I took the job to do Man of Steel that I did it in a subversive way to get to Batman. I really believe that only after contemplating who could face [Superman] did Batman come into the picture.

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Having superhero movies that are more philosophical and/or allegorical is fine, but the execution still has to be there. Snyder just doesn't have the chops to make it worth watching imo. The number of dream sequences in BVS borders on insulting.

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pure_temper posted...

she had been depressed for a long time and that's why his movies are the way they are

In 2008, Zack Snyder said during an interview that in his vision of a Batman movie, Batman could get raped in prison. That isn't to say that he was planning to have Batman get raped in prison if he were to make a Batman movie, it was a general statement to highlight the edgy approach to his vision in regards to comic book movies. But that quote says a lot about Zack Snyder - that to communicate his artistic vision, he jumped straight to Batman getting raped. That's the approach to film-making he has - shock value at best.

Zack Snyder's daughter died in 2017 when she was 20 years old. That interview happened in 2008.

If his daughter's depression motivated the grim reality he set his superhero movies in, then we can intuit that he was motivated by an 11 year old girl to publically state that he would consider depicting prison rape against Batman on the silver screen.

Zack Snyder's grimdark vision in regards to his superhero movies are informed by his own grimdark views. Saying "they're grim and depressing because his daughter's depression really affected him" doesn't scan when he's been saying the goofiest shit for over a decade.

Assuming that his daughter's depression affected his approach to making superhero movies, even back then - because yes, children can suffer from depression, and to kill yourself at 20 implies that she had a lot of personal troubles throughout her entire life - you would be saying that his statement on prison rape was informed by his daughter. Which is, frankly, ridiculous.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

Whose idea was it to cram Doomsday, Lex Luthor, and Wonder Woman into a movie that was supposed to be about a fight between Batman and Superman? Hell, whose idea was it to make that universe's first Batman movie about him fighting Superman? I agree that the universe was doomed after that movie, but that still doesn't change that the movie and the universe by extension was doomed by the WB executives.

Snyder is confirmed for this one. I think Luthor being in a BvS movie is a no brainer and he just sucks bad. Most of the issues in the movie don't have anything to do with trying to set up a universe. I mean starting off with an old Batman and killing off Superman alone is a stupid idea if that's the goal.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

Hell, whose idea was it to make that universe's first Batman movie about him fighting Superman?

At the very least, it was a better idea than doing an origin story all over again.
...which happens anyway.

The sntder cut of what movie? Is the snyder cut like a directors cut?

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pure_temper posted...

the best part of all the irrational Snyder hate is that it literally doesn't happen with most other directors

like people who enjoy a movie or a fanbase just stick to themselves and enjoy it on their forums. like the Cloverfield people still love the movies even though the latest ones weren't even related. they enjoy the VR / AR games and the social media lore you can find and etc.

it's weird af but you don't see all this hate boner for Cloverfield's directors or studios the way you do for Snyder and Warner lmao. for some really strange reason people go out of their way to shit on Snyder's tastes.,

why? lmao

I think it's because unlike directors like Michael Bay, who are well aware they're pandering to the lowest denominator, Zack Snyder (and his fans) like to pretend like his movies are so much more adult and mature than the other "capeshit" on the market when they're just as (if not, more) dumb and yet 1000 times less entertaining.

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Kitt posted...

His movies might be trash, but Zack Snyder seems like someone who would be fun to sit down and geek out over stuff with.

I doubt synder has ever casually read a comicbook before in his life.

And storys like the dark knight returns, long Halloween or the killing joke are always the go to storys posers brag about when they want to blend in with the geek crowd and pretend they know anything about comics or these characters and were always a fan.

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Prismsblade posted...

And storys like the dark knight returns, long Halloween or the killing joke are always the go to storys posers brag about when they want to blend in with the geek crowd and pretend they know anything about comics or these characters and were always a fan.

"I read a lot of Groo the Wanderer as a kid" will filter out the tryhards pretty quickly.

Questionmarktarius posted...

At the very least, it was a better idea than doing an origin story all over again.
...which happens anyway.

Sure, we don't need another Batman origin story I get that. But at least do a movie to build the character in their version of Gotham rather than jumping to bitter middle aged Batman.

Also, lol @ Groo the Wanderer.

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Reminder that Spider-man and Black Panther were both introduced in the MCU movie where Captain America and Iron Man fought each other and it went fine.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

Also, lol @ Groo the Wanderer.

Where the hell is that movie?

Questionmarktarius posted...

Where the hell is that movie?

Supposedly the Russo bros wanted to do a Groo movie after the fourth Avengers film.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

Supposedly the Russo bros wanted to do a Groo movie after the fourth Avengers film.

Lord Miller would be a better fit, or just let Evanier direct it.

Darmik posted...

Reminder that Spider-man and Black Panther were both introduced in the MCU movie where Captain America and Iron Man fought each other and it went fine.

That's because Civil War is cleverly setup in such a way where Black Panther arguably goes through the most character development in the entire movie. Spider-Man doesn't really get much but it doesn't matter because...he's Spider-Man lol.

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MrMallard posted...

In 2008, Zack Snyder said during an interview that in his vision of a Batman movie, Batman could get raped in prison. That isn't to say that he was planning to have Batman get raped in prison if he were to make a Batman movie, it was a general statement to highlight the edgy approach to his vision in regards to comic book movies. But that quote says a lot about Zack Snyder - that to communicate his artistic vision, he jumped straight to Batman getting raped. That's the approach to film-making he has - shock value at best.

Zack Snyder's daughter died in 2017 when she was 20 years old. That interview happened in 2008.

If his daughter's depression motivated the grim reality he set his superhero movies in, then we can intuit that he was motivated by an 11 year old girl to publically state that he would consider depicting prison rape against Batman on the silver screen.

Zack Snyder's grimdark vision in regards to his superhero movies are informed by his own grimdark views. Saying "they're grim and depressing because his daughter's depression really affected him" doesn't scan when he's been saying the goofiest shit for over a decade.

Assuming that his daughter's depression affected his approach to making superhero movies, even back then - because yes, children can suffer from depression, and to kill yourself at 20 implies that she had a lot of personal troubles throughout her entire life - you would be saying that his statement on prison rape was informed by his daughter. Which is, frankly, ridiculous.

damn dude that's actually messed up. i had no idea about all those dates. i'll have to fact check this and get back to you, because i mostly just go off of what i read on the IMDB forums back in the day lmao. thjis is like 5 years ago old information at this point.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

That's because Civil War is cleverly setup in such a way where Black Panther arguably goes through the most character development in the entire movie. Spider-Man doesn't really get much but it doesn't matter because...he's Spider-Man lol.

Compared to BvS where character development happens because a man yells Martha

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but honestly tho @MrMallard how the fuck did you know that much with so much detail and shit? lmao how deeply did you research this stuff lmao? hahahahahaha

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I googled Zack Snyder to find the news about when his daughter died, which had the year of her death and her age at the time. I already knew about the prison rape quote, so I googled "Zack Snyder batman in prison quote" and found a link to the Entertainment Weekly review where he said it. The interview was dated 2008.

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pure_temper posted...

here's my top ten:

Interstellar
Contact
The Shawshank Redemption
Stardust
The Matrix
Jurassic Park
The Man From Nowhere (South Korean)
There Will Be Blood
Finding Nemo
2001: A Space Odyssey

have some more nuanced taste my man. That's all main stream popular stuff

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WalkingLobsters posted...

have some more nuanced taste my man. That's all main stream popular stuff

you let me know what movies you love and I'll let you know what I thought if I've seen them

I do have many other movies I loved too, but the top ten is the current top ten for me

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ArianaGrandSlam posted...

maybe he just, yknow, genuinely likes them the most among everything hes ever seen

also yeah having a South Korean film in there is mainstream and popular

ariana grande is fuckin incredible. definitely well-deserved fame tbh

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https://twitter.com/benmekler/status/1369312974825947137

Every time lmao
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