Current Events > "I can't kill the villains, that will make me just as bad as they are"

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Am I the only one who hates this trope. No Batman, killing joker does not make you as bad as joker. Just snap his neck and move on

Revnir posted...

You're not a superhero. You wouldn't understand.

exactly, us supers get it, tc's just a normie

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its the reason why punisher only has a few villains.

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I hate it too, it's like this is literally a guy who will never reform or learn from his actions and has already killed thousands of people, and if he ever escapes he's just gonna do it again but nope killing this one guy will be the same as doing all that he did

It's like just kill him before he inevitably escapes again wtf

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is that actually batman's reasoning

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Dude, there is literally a thread right now where CEmen dont support the death penalty.

Maybe the Joker is really innocent and another villain is framing him. I mean its a universe with literal magic, gods, monsters, demons and super powered criminals. It could be like that Mysterio guy from Marvel, manipulating what we know.

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Batman can't just have one or he'll go on a bender and keep on murdering until he passes out. He's a killaholic and he's capable of killing a lot of people.

With that, someone like Captain America or Superman, who aren't insane could probably do it without spiraling out of control.

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One of the police should kust put a bullet in Jokers brain and be done with it. Lives will be saved and it keeps Batman out of it.

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Pretty much the entire premise of The Walking Dead

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Batman should kill Joker.

Then he should turn himself in and stand trial for murder.
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What's funny is he has killed and has sacrificed villains if it means saving people before

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I like when the hero is actually fine with killing tons of people, it's just at the very end when suddenly revenge won't solve anything.

Choco posted...

is that actually batman's reasoning

Technically his reason is that once he crosses that line, he'll keep doing it until he's killing people who don't deserve it. Modern Batman stories have made it a point to demonstrate how insane he is so I can kind of see it.


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Jiek_Fafn posted...

Batman can't just have one or he'll go on a bender and keep on murdering until he passes out. He's a killaholic and he's capable of killing a lot of people.

With that, someone like Captain America or Superman, who aren't insane could probably do it without spiraling out of control.

This.
Batman is a traumatised, obsessive individual. The phrase "I'll become as bad as them" isn't really in regards to taking a single life as he knows that once he does take a single life, he'll find reasons to do so for his entire rogues gallery.

TheSavageDragon posted...

This.
Batman is a traumatised, obsessive individual. The phrase "I'll become as bad as them" isn't really in regards to taking a single life as he knows that once he does take a single life, he'll find reasons to do so for his entire rogues gallery.

Pretty much. I dont think he gives a fuck if hes executed "legally" i say that cause he loses his shit if other people try to kill joker too. But with superman I think its more that he knows superman could do all sorts of other things besides kill him. Like paralyze him.

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If I was a superhero I would not kill them and have them locked up for life because letting them die is too easy for them. They should lose their freedom and pay for their crimes.

But the comic book writers are dogshit and keeps returning the villains out of jail. If it was even a tiny bit realistic nobody would be living in Gotham City after all the shit that has happened.

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Rapid99 posted...

it's just at the very end when suddenly revenge won't solve anything.

Omfgggg I hate this so much. Thank God Octopath Traveler didn't fuck that one up.

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Why does Batman get flack for not killing Joker but not Spider-Man or Daredevil for refusing to killing Green Goblin and Kingpin, respectively?

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*lets villain go*

*villain kills another hundred people*

Every. Fucking. Time.

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"I'm not gonna kill you, but i don't have to save you"... he says after destroying the controls while his friend destroyed the bridge.

loophole found.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

Batman should kill Joker.

Then he should turn himself in and stand trial for murder.

i kind of want to see that comic. it would obviously end with an acquittal...

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Just because you become no better then the bad guys at the time doeasnt mean you're change mentally, lose any and all exhibitors and self control you had before and become evil yourself or something.

Which comics like to imply is sure to happen everytime, 100% .......but only for certain heros like batman, superman, or spiderman. And not others like the red hood, wonder woman, dead pool or wolverine for some reason. Lmao.

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The man is a billionaire with gadgets that can make the military beg on it's knees. Just Kaiba the fuck outta them.

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The fact Batman could likely fix most of Gotham (and America's) societal problems with his money, technology and influence and stop so many people getting into crime to begin with, therefore robbing many of his villains henchmen and ability to do their evil is pretty sus as well.

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"I can't kill the villains, that will make me just as bad as they are"

Punisher: Hold my beer.

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Funkydog posted...

The fact Batman could likely fix most of Gotham (and America's) societal problems with his money, technology and influence and stop so many people getting into crime to begin with, therefore robbing many of his villains henchmen and ability to do their evil is pretty sus as well.

its a well known fact that batman is just as fucking insane as his rogue gallery. why else would a guy with the money and intelligence of tony stark, who has on several occasions actually built a robotic bat suit only to never use the thing, instead chosen to put on spandex and beat seven shades of shit out of them with his fists?

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The trope is pretty stupid when the hero killed hundreds of people to get to the main bad guy and then he pulls the I cant kill you or else I would be just like you thing

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not just something you see in comics

we just finished going through the harry potter series, and as much as harry beats himself up for the deaths of dobby, remus lupin, and nyphadora tonks because the battle of hogwarts had to happen, it's even more jarring that he had the chance to kill or permanently disable their murderers multiple times.

the whole idea that murder itself damages your soul, ok. in book two the heroes learn that it's possible to use the spell obliviate to permanently destroy someone's memory/mind and render them helpless. the heroes learn to cast this spell. and...they always use it in a limited form.

really their entire world is kind of guilty of this. the deadliest mass murderers and torturers are locked up...but their ability to do magic is not hindered in any way, shape, or form. so the moment they escape and acquire a new wand they are every bit as dangerous as before. a very artificial sense of security.

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Funkydog posted...

The fact Batman could likely fix most of Gotham (and America's) societal problems with his money, technology and influence and stop so many people getting into crime to begin with, therefore robbing many of his villains henchmen and ability to do their evil is pretty sus as well.

I did like in kingdom come batman was the only hero who ever got his city crime free while the rest of the world was a shit show. In old age he hung up the cape and built a police force of batbots iirc. Basically widenening his fear angle. Now it wasnt what if batman is lurking in the shadows it was almost a certainty.

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mooreandrew58 posted...

I did like in kingdom come batman was the only hero who ever got his city crime free while the rest of the world was a shit show. In old age he hung up the cape and built a police force of batbots iirc. Basically widenening his fear angle. Now it wasnt what if batman is lurking in the shadows it was almost a certainty.

Kingdom Come also shows some serious downsides to what happens when you start killing villains.

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Funkydog posted...

The fact Batman could likely fix most of Gotham (and America's) societal problems with his money, technology and influence and stop so many people getting into crime to begin with, therefore robbing many of his villains henchmen and ability to do their evil is pretty sus as well.

Isnt Gotham cursed to be fucked? Also, he does do this.

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Mighty Max, an underrated 90s cartoon, took the piss out of that trope in the episode Norman's Conquest.

Spike: "If you kill me, you'll be just like me! "
Norman: "I can live with that." (pushes Spike off a cliff)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWPPLMZo76c

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Eh Gotham should've passed the death penalty after the third time Joker went on a killing spree.

SO either they're dumb or this is some eugenics/overpopulation solution... or bad writing...

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FortuneCookie posted...

Mighty Max, an underrated 90s cartoon, took the piss out of that trope in the episode Norman's Conquest.

Spike: "If you kill me, you'll be just like me! "
Norman: "I can live with that." (pushes Spike off a cliff)

how do you do the spoiler within a spoiler thing?


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SPE posted...

how do you do the spoiler within a spoiler thing?

Something GameFAQs automatically does when part of your spoiler is bold or italics.

You can also just use multiple spoiler tags

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Thanks tyranthraxus :)

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does it keep going? can you do triple?

no maybe yes
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Vash from Trigun is the worst

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Revnir posted...

You're not a superhero. You wouldn't understand.

its only a game not real, batman needs to kill his enemies

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Kain Highwind posted...

Vash from Trigun is the worst

I don't see him as that much different than Batman in that regard.

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Vash didn't wanna even hurt some giant sandworms that just destroyed a giant city

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You should really check out Superman vs the Elite. This is a key point running through the movie. Is it better to kill the villain if they keep escaping and causing other deaths. Are Superman's ideals outdated?

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loafy013 posted...

You should really check out Superman vs the Elite. This is a key point running through the movie. Is it better to kill the villain if they keep escaping and causing other deaths. Are Superman's ideals outdated?

At that point, why blame Superman or Batman. Blame the court system.

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JustMyOpinion posted...

>Can't kill the villiain
>Ok with killing a thousand henchmen

Video game logic.

this

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Batman should just turn Joker into a vegetable. he wont kill him and in turn, Joker wont do shit... lol

This is a trope just like "money can't buy happiness" that those with money/power love to propagate for obvious reasons.

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1337toothbrush posted...

This is a trope just like "money can't buy happiness" that those with money/power love to propagate for obvious reasons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1n5XqwUkYw

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Choco posted...

is that actually batman's reasoning

Batmans reasoning is that its not his decision whether the villain lives or dies. Its the justice departments. Blame them for not killing the joker immediately after Batman puts him in a fucking cell.

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