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I always laugh at how tone deaf these Conservatrumps are, and then I sigh when I remember they're also voters.
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theAteam posted...

legit lol'd

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indica posted...

It takes you weeks to form a rebuttal and that's the best you've got? lol. No wonder you're baffled...that's just called ignorance. Even Chinese and Russian leaders are deeply aware of the mass deaths caused by Mao and Stalin and it lead to massive reform policies in both countries. I actally hold very strong socialist ideals and your aggressive ignorance is insulting to all true socialists and communists--like not even being able separate totalitarian regimes that are in no way communist from the espoused ideologies they use to control the masses. You know nothing but pervasive propaganda that for some reason you hold up as truth. You are not a communist, you are a puppet. Get educated...

This is a very vague and stupid post that says nothing.


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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Dammit, you got me, lmao.

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Gwynevere posted...

Shab is a tankie, not a communist

What are your definitions for these 2 terms?

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I'd like to know too... I feel like people fold when asked direct questions about their bold statements.
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au_gold posted...

Best in topic.

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au_gold posted...

<3

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au_gold posted...

@Shablagoo

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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

I'd like to know too... I feel like people fold when asked direct questions about their bold statements.

same

indica posted...

@Shablagoo

oh no da meme got me

I support all AES countries.


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au_gold posted...

Indeed.

Most of the iPhones technology was publicly developed
microprocessors
memory chips
solid state hard drives (SSDs)
liquid crystal displays
lithium-based batteries
fast Fourier transform (FFT) algorithms
the internet
HTTP and HTML protocols
cellular networks
global positions systems (GPS)
touchscreens
voice recognition

labor was responsible for literally every single step in the production of an iPhone, from the engineers designing it, to the miner who got the raw materials, to the workers at the plants that process things into parts and assemble them, to all the transport workers who inevitably got it delivered to my door

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Shablagoo posted...

same

oh no da meme got me

I support all AES countries.

lol. Of course you do, because "AES" is a euphemism used by autocrats to manipulate people...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_socialism
After World War II, the terms "real socialism" or "really existing socialism" gradually became the predominating euphemisms used as self-description of the Eastern Bloc states' political and economical systems and their society models.[4]De jure often referred to as "(democratic) people's republics", these states were ruled by a single Soviet-aligned MarxismLeninism party, some of which were ruled autocratically and had adapted a form of planned economy and propagated socialism and/or communism as their ideology.[4] The term "real (-ly existing) socialism" was introduced to explain the obvious gap between the propagated ideological framework and the political and economical reality faced by these states' societies

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fuck he hit me with the wiki link, never been so owned in my life

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Shablagoo posted...

fuck he hit me with the wiki link, never been so owned in my life

I mean, it's true...

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Shablagoo posted...

What are your definitions for these 2 terms?

I think it's pretty easy to distinguish.

Tankies support state capitalism, authoritarianism, and oppose worker's control of the means of production; they worship the state, the workers get whatever the autocrats in charge deem them worthy of. Billionaires, rent-seeking, outlawing unions and striking, all of these things are good because capitalism helps realize the material conditions for socialism which will happen someday when the autocrats deem it acceptable (note this last part has never actually happened, and thinking it will would be silly).

Communists want to realize a classless, moneyless society free of hierarchy. At a minimum they oppose capitalism and want worker control of the means of production.

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ssjevot posted...

Tankies support state capitalism, authoritarianism, and oppose worker's control of the means of production; they worship the state, the workers get whatever the autocrats in charge deem them worthy of.

Ah, anyone using that definition of the term to describe me is mislabeling me then.

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Shablagoo posted...

Ah, anyone using that definition of the term to describe me is mislabeling me then.

You spend all your time defending capitalism, authoritarianism, and the lack of worker's rights in China though. China doesn't even claim to be socialist. It claims it will start implementing socialism in 2070. Striking is illegal, forming labor unions is illegal, the government is made up of capitalists many of them millionaires and billionaires. The state serves capital and capital serves the state. Actual leftists in China are persecuted heavily. Even simple labor activists get targeted by the government.

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ssjevot posted...

You spend all your time defending capitalism, authoritarianism, and the lack of worker's rights in China though.

lmao stop lying on me

Striking is illegal, forming labor unions is illegal,

there are tens upon tens of thousands of strikes per year in China and they frequently accomplish the workers goals

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Shablagoo posted...

there are tens upon tens of thousands of strikes per year in China and they frequently accomplish the workers goals

Illegal wildcat strikes. You know nothing about China. You haven't been there and don't even know Chinese.

There used to be a right to strike in China. It was explicitly removed from the constitution in 1982 and that was the end of that.

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So that was the end of that and there are strikes. You are contradicting yourself.

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Shablagoo posted...

So that was the end of that and there are strikes. You are contradicting yourself.

Why are you always so disingenuous? Wildcat strikes are illegal strikes. They can't have any other kind because their right to them was removed. If you knew anything about China you would know it ranks extremely low on rule of law indexes because people ignore the law all the time and it's enforced arbitrarily. This is great for capitalists who want to ignore what little labor laws exist on the books and not so great for those who aren't part of the ruling class.

China says it is capitalist. It doesn't claim otherwise. China says workers don't have a right to strike. It doesn't claim otherwise. Sometimes workers are arrested, sometimes they negotiate a slightly better deal from the capitalist class. That's the reality there. If you consider that socialism, then it is fair to call you a tankie because you clearly don't give a fuck about workers.

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Everyonedies posted...

Yes

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Everyonedies posted...

Forced milking

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

A hot woman, good weed, and critical race theory...what more could you ask for?

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au_gold posted...

>_>

ssjevot posted...

It doesn't claim otherwise. Sometimes workers are arrested, sometimes they negotiate a slightly better deal from the capitalist class.

Plus the only unions are run by the state, operate top-down, and in the event the workers want to sue they can't band together in a class action suit.

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ssjevot posted...

Why are you always so disingenuous?

Im not, ever. You are, constantly.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

lmao

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Shablagoo posted...

Im not, ever. You are, constantly.

Guy who neither speaks Chinese nor has been to China makes up bullshit about it while promoting capitalism and nationalism claims to be some kind of leftist online.

I really do hope you can go to China and experience it first hand. You need a serious wakeup call.

What it's like being a leftist in China:
"Many workers have to work 72 or even 84 hours per week here,but only few are unsatisfied with this situation,my workmates even advise me to work more for higher income.Someone choose "Tangping()-ism", a low effort, low income, low consume and no marriage, no child lifestyle, but this harmless way also criticized by public, professors and social media:"hard working makes a country strong"," you are poor just because you are lazy". Also, Anarchism is deeply demonized, marxists think us " a rat running on street", although they don't like imperialism hin too.And nationalists think anarchists, maoists and marxists "agents sent by USA". Workers union and strike are strictly banned, and leader of food deliver's union was arrested these days.Another breaking news is that policies in beijing exercised for situation that workers rally for delayed salaries. I felt really tired and sad to explain that communism is not only marxism,nationalism is not communism, anarchism is not an american plot.I really don't know how to beat nationalism, they talk about nuclear war against USA as if they wouldn't get involved."

"Living in :There are 3 mountains on our shoulder,house,education and medication.
An ordinary worker earns 3k-8k CNY per month,but a house in urban area cost at least 8k per square meter,in large city such as Shanghai or Shenzhen,40k per square meter.
Education:many children start study English,Spanish,play piano when they are only 4 years old,and in primary school,olympic math awaits.If parents can't afford it,then their children may fail to enter better high school,better university.
Medication:a serious disease can bring a mid-class to bankrupt.
That's why I support Tangping-ism,government and capitalists rob every coin from our wallet,and due to poor we have to accept 996.A low effort,low consume lifestyle should really hurt these bandits."

https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/o0bmmx/so_hard_to_start_movement_in_%D1%81hin%D0%B0/

https://www.ft.com/content/fd087484-2f23-11e9-8744-e7016697f225

Luke, an undergraduate student at one of Chinas elite universities, recalls the day he became a committed Marxist. It was not in the countless hours of compulsory Marxism lectures he endured as part of the undergraduate curriculum, but during his first-year winter break in Beijing. Along with 20 other young workers, he squeezed into a minivan with nine seats and was driven to a small workshop on the outskirts of the city. There, he put together cardboard packages for 12 hours in a below-freezing room with no heating.
What startled him most were the hands of the dozen young women living in the workshop, which were swollen like radishes from the cold. Unlike him, they had not had the opportunity to finish school. The boss of the workshop had brought them there from their hometown, and they did not know when they could go back.
They were like slaves. I thought, this capitalist mode of production can turn people into feudal serfs, says Luke (not his real name). As he applied acrid-smelling adhesives to the cardboard, he turned over the tiny coincidences that separated the lives of the young women from his own, as a student at one of Chinas most celebrated universities. The women were the children of workers, as he was, and were about the same age. I had a really strong wish, he remembers. I wanted to make things better.
Luke threw himself into leftist student organising on campus, speaking to and supporting the many cleaners, cooks, guards and rubbish collectors working there. Then, last July, he read online about the arrest of 29 workers and activists who had tried to register a union at a factory belonging to Jasic Technology, a manufacturer of welding equipment. It was the biggest mass arrest of workers for three years. In August, he travelled to the Jasic site in the southern manufacturing hub of Shenzhen, following a call for support that went out to leftist student groups across the country.

On August 24, not long after his arrival, Lukes dormitory of activists was raided by police, and about 50 students were taken into custody. The mass detention was one of the most contentious crackdowns on student protesters since the Tiananmen Square massacre of 1989.

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ssjevot posted...

/r/Anarchism/

shut the fuck up

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I included a traditional media article for you too since I figured you would dismiss instantly anything coming from a leftist space.

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@ssjevot You've given plenty of credible factual evidence, and Shablagoo won't ever admit he's wrong. I think that's clear when his best rebuttal is "shut the fuck up." I'm just saying I've learned my lesson that there's no point in debating him or taking him seriously. I honestly believe he suffers from some mental issues along with being a troll.

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No I operate in plenty of leftist spaces, I just find anarchists laughable and historically they have been completely useless. Even the successful anarchists touted by internet anarchists usually eschew the label.

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Shablagoo posted...

No I operate in plenty of leftist spaces, I just find anarchists laughable and historically they have been completely useless. Even the successful anarchists touted by internet anarchists usually eschew the label.

You ignored everything I posted including the traditional media article. Just because your right wing tankie nationalists you worship executed anarchists and other leftists doesn't make them useless. And r/anarchism is open to any leftist who isn't authoritarian.

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ssjevot posted...

right wing tankie

Anarchists really enjoy busting this drivel out ignoring the fact that Marxist-Leninists who lived through and fought fascist regimes existed, resisted, and wrote extensively about their understanding of these empires.

It's infuriating and a level beyond simple revisionism to complete bad-faith nonsense intended as nothing more than rhetorical provocation.


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Shablagoo posted...

Anarchists really enjoy busting this drivel out ignoring the fact that Marxist-Leninists who lived through and fought fascist regimes existed, resisted, and wrote extensively about their understanding of these empires.

It's infuriating and a level beyond simple revisionism to complete bad-faith nonsense intended as nothing more than rhetorical provocation.

Wow fascists and liberals also fought fascists. Communism is when you fight fascists. US in WWII confirmed to be communist. Man you know what Marxist-Lenninists also did in WWII? Allied with fascists. Not just the Nazis either, guess who Stalin primarily supported in the Chinese Civil War even after Japan was defeated (it wasn't Mao)?

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Get back to memes.

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BabyRoxann posted...

Drizzt, do you understand that meme?

Yes.

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ssjevot posted...

Communism is when you fight fascists.

Correct.

Man you know what Marxist-Lenninists also did in WWII? Allied with fascists.

The idea that the Soviets 'allied' with Nazi Germany is a deliberate misinterpretation of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, but one that is very widely spread especially in high school level history classes.

When Hitler came to power there was a general hope in the west that he would be just another dictator, one that wouldn't upset the balance of power in Europe. They were deeply afraid of the threat of communist revolution and hoped that Hitler would serve as a 'bulwark' against the Soviet threat. Despite the fact that Hitler had literally published a book saying he wanted to annex all German-speaking territories and invade the Soviet Union, these claims weren't really taken seriously in the West, seen more as 'sabre-rattling' than as a genuine statement of intent. The only country that actually took Hitler seriously was the Soviet Union, out of a combination of the ideological gap between them and Germany's long-standing geopolitical intentions to expand eastwards - Lebensraum was not something new under Hitler's regime after all.

During this time, the Soviet policy was one of collective defense. The Soviets made numerous efforts to sign alliances with the western powers in the hopes of containing Nazi Germany. A treaty was signed with France in 1935, which the French backed out of a year later. Numerous British and French trade missions were sent to the Soviets to scope out the possibility of a 'new Entente' against Germany, but anti-communist sentiments of the senior British and French leadership undermined attempts at formalizing an alliance, despite overwhelming public support for such an alliance. In April 1939, 87% of British citizens were explicitly in favor of an Anglo-Soviet Alliance.

Despite Soviet interest in collective defense, the western Allies were very much opposed to treating with the Soviets. When Czechoslovakia was under threat of being carved up in 1938, the Soviet Union had signed an alliance with the Czechoslovaks and was willing to go to war to defend them. To prevent this from undermining the western policy of Appeasement, the Soviets were deliberately excluded from the Munich conference and France put pressure on Poland to not allow Soviet troops to pass through Polish territory to defend Czechoslovakia in case Stalin declared war. By 1939 it was obvious to all involved that the West was not interested in a collective defense against Nazi Germany. Austria and the Sudetenland had been annexed without serious challenge and Hitler reneging on the Munich agreement did not cause war. With war looming as Hitler postured against Poland and the West seemingly unwilling to fight, Soviet policy changed from collective defense to buying time. The Soviet military in 1939 had recently had its senior leadership purged and was in the middle of a massive reform program; it was in no state to fight an offensive war. The Soviets signed a non-aggression pact with the Nazis in the hopes of buying the time they needed to complete their reforms.

I stress that this was a non-aggression pact, not an alliance. This was not a 'we help each other' arrangement, but a 'lets stay out of each others way' deal. Given the obvious ideological gap between them, many people have categorized the treaty as a 'betrayal' of the anti-Nazi front and, in my humble opinion, they're not entirely wrong but we must remember the context surrounding the treaty and the fact that the West had, up until that point, proved literally useless in resisting Nazi aggression. Everybody on both sides of the treaty knew that war was inevitable between the Nazis and the Soviets, the only question was when it would come. According to historian William Shirer, it was the hope of the Soviet leadership that Hitler would use the breathing space of the non-aggression pact to attack the west and cause a repeat of the first world war; leaving the capitalist world exhausted, setting the stage for a second wave of communist revolutions as happened in 1918-1922. Obviously, this was not how events turned out.

Characterizing the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact as an alliance is a commonly taught thing, especially in the context of it being an example of how 'those dastardly Soviets caused WWII', but to do so ignores the history of Soviet attempts to build and Western rejections of a united front against the Nazis as well as how tense the 'non-aggression' between them was. Soviet and German troops actively fought against each other during the invasion of Poland, Finland received German aid (and also British aid, but that's a whole different can of worms) in the Winter War and, y'know, the whole Operation Barbarossa thing. The Non-Aggression Pact was a calculated gamble by the Soviets, one that did not work out how they intended it to. With the benefit of hindsight you could call that a mistake, but we have a perspective that those on the ground in 1939 did not.

On a similar note, you may have also heard that Stalin was taken so off-guard by the German invasion that he retired to his dacha for a week in shock. This is not true. Despite confused Soviet border defenses, Stalin was not surprised to hear Germany was invading and immediately set to work organising the defense. The idea that Germany betraying the non-aggression pact was something unexpected to the Soviet leadership appears to be one of those pop-history, forwards from grandma-style stories with no firm origin I can locate.

Sources:

William Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich

Orlando Figes, Revolutionary Russia, 1918-1991

Steven G Fritz, Ostkrieg: Hitlers War of Extermination in the East

DrizztLink posted...

Get back to memes.

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Man I am glad I don't have to write walls of text to justify allying with Nazis (because I never support anyone allying with Nazis, no matter what the excuse).

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