Current Events > British "ISIS bride" loses in court, still refused return to UK

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https://news.yahoo.com/uk-supreme-court-rejects-brides-101914548.html

She lost everything. Her husband is in jail. She got pregnant 3 times and all 3 kids are dead. And she can't go home

I dont know if I agree with this decision. She basically is stateless. Which I thought was illegal to force someone into being

We don't have proof she did anything other than provide a terrorist with sex. Is that worthy of stripping the only citizenship you had?

Fuck this bitch.

"Haha Ima go join terrorists!"
"Wait this sucks can I have a do over?"

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She's a British citizen so they should be responsible for her. You can't dump your jihadist on other countries.

In 2019 Begum told The Times newspaper that she did not regret travelling to Syria and had not been "fazed" by seeing a severed head dumped in a bin.

Zikten posted...

We don't have proof she did anything other than provide a terrorist with sex. Is that worthy of stripping the only citizenship you had?

Yes.

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That poor, poor wannabe terrorist girl

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Still dont get why a woman would ever want to join ISIS to begin with. It sounds terrible.

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@UnfairRepresent

Can we get an actual opinion on someone who lives in the UK?

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Irony posted...

Fuck this bitch.

"Haha Ima go join terrorists!"
"Wait this sucks can I have a do over?"

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Yeah sucks that she was so young to be indoctrinated but 15 should know that there are consequences to their actions. She made her bed, she can lie in it or show true remorse. Doesn't seem like she is so she can fuck off.

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Look at all this sympathy I can't give.

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Is this an example of how sexism sometimes favours women? Christ imagine people actually sympathising with a man who defected to ISIS losing citizenship status. You just can't.

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Sexypwnstar posted...

@UnfairRepresent

Can we get an actual opinion on someone who lives in the UK?

I don't really have a strong opinion although on paper I think they made the correct call

In terms of the response from the average Brit, it's been jubilant.

A friend of mine in London told me there was a cheer this morning during the local news on par with England scoring a goal in a world cup football match.

Social media and News Outlets are flush with people praising the decision.

The racists love it because "fuck da brown people"
The right wingers love it because less responsibility
Left wingers just don't really want to talk about ISIS ever so they're being quiet

Really the only strong opposition seems to come from people concerning the legality rather than the ethics. Most of the nation at least vocally seems to be on the same page.

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It should be illegal to strip some one of citizenship, yes.

Were her kids still alive when she first started trying to get back to the UK? I vaguely remember this story from a while ago.

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AlisLandale posted...

Were her kids still alive when she first started trying to get back to the UK? I vaguely remember this story from a while ago.

I think at least one was. I feel like I remember at one time she had a baby living with her in the camp she is in now. Article says only 2 of her 3 babies died under ISIS rule. I think she still had 1 left when ISIS fell but it since has died too

UnfairRepresent posted...

I don't really have a strong opinion although on paper I think they made the correct call

In terms of the response from the average Brit, it's been jubilant.

A friend of mine in London told me there was a cheer this morning during the local news on par with England scoring a goal in a world cup football match.

Social media and News Outlets are flush with people praising the decision.

The racists love it because "fuck da brown people"
The right wingers love it because less responsibility
Left wingers just don't really want to talk about ISIS ever so they're being quiet

Really the only strong opposition seems to come from people concerning the legality rather than the ethics. Most of the nation at least vocally seems to be on the same page.

Thank you for your detailed post on this matter, I can't believe there was such widespread cheer on the streets

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Guys the argument isn't about showing sympathy it's about the UK sending criminals to other countries and then stripping them of their citizenship so they don't have to deal with them.

I can't approve of this and grow ever more disappointed in my country and government.

She is a vile human being who joined an abhorrent group of "people" and she 100% deserves to suffer severe consequences because of it. I can't approve of the government being able to remove citizenship from it's people though, even more when it makes them stateless, no matter what they've done. This is just washing their hands of her and trying to make her someone else's problem.

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Funkydog posted...

I can't approve of this and grow ever more disappointed in my country and government.

She is a vile human being who joined an abhorrent group of "people" and she 100% deserves to suffer severe consequences because of it. I can't approve of the government being able to remove citizenship from it's people though, even more when it makes them stateless, no matter what they've done. This is just washing their hands of her and trying to make her someone else's problem.

Also this though. Its a worrying legal precedent. But I still have no sympathy for her

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If someone's turned their back on their home country, and gone and supported an enemy terrorist movement, there is absolutely zero reason why their citizenship should not be stripped. If that leaves them "stateless", so be it, they are the ones who chose to put themself in that situation. There's a difference between "help your people who got in a bit of trouble" vs "help people who literally went to side with the enemy".

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Trumble posted...

If someone's turned their back on their home country, and gone and supported an enemy terrorist movement, there is absolutely zero reason why their citizenship should not be stripped. If that leaves them "stateless", so be it, they are the ones who chose to put themself in that situation.

Every country in the world should just start sending their criminals to the UK then. Would save a ton of money on prisons and you can just strip them of citizenship so they can't be sent back.

Poor terrorist bride chose to be stateless.

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Trumble posted...

If someone's turned their back on their home country, and gone and supported an enemy terrorist movement, there is absolutely zero reason why their citizenship should not be stripped. If that leaves them "stateless", so be it, they are the ones who chose to put themself in that situation. There's a difference between "help your people who got in a bit of trouble" vs "help people who literally went to side with the enemy".

Because who is determining they went against the government? The government. What if they decide protesting is treasonous? Or eating French Bread is treason?

I just dislike the government having the power to punish its citizens in this way as it is just ripe for abuse by an authoritarian figure.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

Every country in the world should just start sending their criminals to the UK then. Would save a ton of money on prisons and you can just strip them of citizenship so they can't be sent back.

I think the country that'd generally be used for that would be Australia?

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She's made her bed.....

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She made her bed and niw she has to lay in it. You cant let threats like this back in the country.

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Trumble posted...

If someone's turned their back on their home country, and gone and supported an enemy terrorist movement, there is absolutely zero reason why their citizenship should not be stripped. If that leaves them "stateless", so be it, they are the ones who chose to put themself in that situation. There's a difference between "help your people who got in a bit of trouble" vs "help people who literally went to side with the enemy".

The problem is doing this doesnt solve the problem, it just shifts it to someone else's doorstep.

Put it this way. Imagine if she fled to the US, and the UK revoked her British citizenship and said "well, its your problem now".

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pinky0926 posted...

Put it this way. Imagine if she fled to the US, and the UK revoked her British citizenship and said "well, its your problem now".

If the US let in a known stateless terrorist, kind of sounds like that's a US self-made problem.

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SauI_Goodman posted...

She made her bed and niw she has to lay in it. You cant let threats like this back in the country.

lmao if any country was doing the same thing to the UK you'd be outraged

I should point out that the US and Canada also had ISIS brides and we took them back. I think they hadcto go to prison but they are back in their countries now and didn't lose their citizenship

Zikten posted...

I should point out that the US and Canada also had ISIS brides and we took them back. I think they hadcto go to prison but they are back in their countries now and didn't lose their citizenship

Shame, that.

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pinky0926 posted...

The problem is doing this doesnt solve the problem, it just shifts it to someone else's doorstep.

Put it this way. Imagine if she fled to the US, and the UK revoked her British citizenship and said "well, its your problem now".

The problem with this is that person wouldnt be a terrorist.

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Trumble posted...

If the US let in a known stateless terrorist

Wow I wonder what is going on in Syria that they'd just let these people in.

Trumble posted...

If the US let in a known stateless terrorist, kind of sounds like that's a US self-made problem.

Don't you think you'd want her extradited to her home country though? You know, process the terrorist legally and responsibly.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

lmao if any country was doing the same thing to the UK you'd be outraged

Oh, yes. Totally enraged!

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pinky0926 posted...

Is this an example of how sexism sometimes favours women? Christ imagine people actually sympathising with a man who defected to ISIS losing citizenship status. You just can't.

I would consider that wrong as well.

pinky0926 posted...

Don't you think you'd want her extradited to her home country though? You know, process the terrorist legally and responsibly.

There's only one responsible way to deal with terrorists, and unfortunately, describing it would be moddable.

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SauI_Goodman posted...

Oh, yes. Totally enraged!

No seriously if the US was trying to deport a bunch of cartel members to Mexico and the Mexican government stripped them of their citizenship and refused to take them, no one would be siding with Mexico. That is literally what the UK is doing here.

Why she wanna live with the infidels anyways?

I don't wanna be modded, so i'm gonna keep quiet.

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I can understand why. Who we are is affected by those around us. What's to say that she isn't a terrorist like her spouse? Britain doesn't want to take that risk.

Ivany2008 posted...

I can understand why. Who we are is affected by those around us. What's to say that she isn't a terrorist like her spouse? Britain doesn't want to take that risk.

Then put her in prison

At the end of the day, she's a liability. She has nothing to lose, and has shown to be an extreme terrorist sympathizer so far as to marry and procreate with them intentionally.

She's a prime candidate for a suicide bomber, or the very least recruiting and brainwashing more while in country.

Nobody will hire her, all she would do is live off the welfare of the state and be a drain on resources.

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Good.

Besides, didn't Canada say they will take her, or was that just Twitter nonsense?

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She was 15 when she left the country to go to Syria. She and 2 other young girls had been recruited online - a bit similar to the way some youths get drawn into fascist organisations. She didn't do herself any favours by her comments later, but even so, she was technically a minor and born in the UK. She had three children and they all died.

It's a worrying precedent. The same ruling is being applied to others, and hers was a test case, asking that she could return to defend herself in the courts.

From a Guardian article. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/26/shamima-begum-ruling-sets-dangerous-precedent-say-legal-experts

"In depriving Begum of her citizenship, Javid as home secretary was accused of being populist, exploiting for political gain the deep anger and disgust many held against Begum for her support of the violent terrorist group Islamic State, and ignoring fundamental human rights protections, specifically the right to a fair trial.
The rage against Begum is palpable. A YouGov survey in November found 70% of the public did not want her to return. Social media is awash with vitriol directed at her. The Conservative government, Javid and his successor, Patel, are unlikely to suffer at the ballot box based on their decision to keep Begum out of the UK. So, politically, it was not a bad call.
But in matters of law and the fundamental human rights designed to protect all of us, legal experts say the ruling sets a dangerous precedent.
Rosie Brighouse, a lawyer with Liberty, said: The right to a fair trial is not something democratic governments should take away on a whim, and nor is someones British citizenship.
If a government is allowed to wield extreme powers like banishment without the basic safeguards of a fair trial it sets an extremely dangerous precedent.
The security services have safely managed the returns of hundreds of people from Syria but the government has chosen to target Shamima Begum.

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Ivany2008 posted...

Britain doesn't want to take that risk.

I'm noticing that none of you seem able to explain why other countries should be responsible for British criminals.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

I'm noticing that none of you seem able to explain why other countries should be responsible for British criminals.

Because nobody wants to get modded for what they really think should happen to her.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulrahman_al-Awlaki

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pogo_rabid posted...

Because nobody wants to get modded for what they really think should happen to her.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulrahman_al-Awlaki

They want the British Government to round up her parents living in the UK and kill them?

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