Current Events > Biden admin to review semiconductor shortage affecting console supply

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*and, probably more importantly, cars and a whole bunch of other stuff
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps5-xbox-series-x-component-shortage-to-be-investigated-president-biden-says/1100-6488026/

A semiconductor shortage brought on by the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic is beginning to become detrimental to a wide range of industries, prompting President Biden to launch an investigation into how it can be resolved.
President Biden is expected to sign an executive order today that will kick off a 100-day review of the semiconductor production pipeline, so that alternatives and strategies can be formulated to alleviate its effect on the American economy. This follows a collective call from companies such as Apple, Sony, AMD, and Qualcomm for the president take notice of the shortages and what it might mean for the economy in the short and long term.
"Semiconductors play a critical role in enabling the products and services that fuel our economy, contribute to American innovation, and enhance our national security," the groups said in a letter to the president last week. "Given the central role of semiconductors, strengthening the US position in semiconductor research, design, and manufacturing is a national priority."
The shortage is a major reason behind stock issues for electronics such as the Xbox Series X and PlayStation 5, as well as computer components such as GPUs, laptops, and more. It's become so widespread that even the automotive industry is now struggling, with electric vehicles requiring a large portion of the supply, too.
The executive order isn't limited to semiconductors either, with President Biden also launching investigations into the defense, public health, biological preparedness, information communications technology, transportation, and energy and food production sectors

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PS5 when?

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David1988 posted...

PS5 when?

tomorrow or until stock improves. some of us are still trying :(.
i was 1 win and 3 losses.

another user is looking at 13 losses (attempts).
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The more quickly all manufacturing is removed from china the better.

Fuck em

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Bunch of people at work laid off because of this. Unfortunately my ass still has to work.

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I really hope this means we'll be building those assembly lines here again. I know that semiconductor/chip manufacturing is extremely expensive to set up, but it will prevent this type of problem again in the future. We should be capable of mass producing these here on American soil. Sustainably, with well-paid workers.

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Godnorgosh posted...

What's the causal link between the pandemic and the semiconductor shortage?

slow down of raw-materials needed, and also pent-up demand hitting all at once

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The first Gamer-American President

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pure_temper posted...

I really hope this means we'll be building those assembly lines here again. I know that semiconductor/chip manufacturing is extremely expensive to set up, but it will prevent this type of problem again in the future. We should be capable of mass producing these here on American soil. Sustainably, with well-paid workers.

No one wants to pay the price for that. Producing outside of Asia could increase the cost for consumers almost double per product.

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Mr_Rian posted...

No one wants to pay the price for that. Producing outside of Asia could increase the cost for consumers almost double per product.

Not if we leverage automation and start caring about each other more.

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lots of pent-up demand because people are staying home (so buying more electronics to pass the time), assembly line workers having to deal w/ covid, and even raw materials not being transported fast enough just because the entire global economy has slowed down considerably.

it's not actually a huge problem yet, it just means that instead of being able to buy what you want today for some consoles or hardware you may have to wait a few weeks or a couple months. i don't expect this to remain a problem unless covid goes up again.

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pogo_rabid posted...

The more quickly all manufacturing is removed from china the better.

Fuck em

Microchips are not made in China.

Well they are but the ones that come from there are of little use in 2021.

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pure_temper posted...

Not if we leverage automation and start caring about each other more.

They already leverage automation as much as possible in Asia.

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Mr_Rian posted...

They already leverage automation as much as possible in Asia.

China has brilliant engineers and workers, but unfortunately it seems that an entire planet of demand cannot be satisfied from just one place. We really should be producing things here too, especially the things which are necessary for us to function. PPE, semiconductors, etc.

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where PS5

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pure_temper posted...

China has brilliant engineers and workers, but unfortunately it seems that an entire planet of demand cannot be satisfied from just one place. We really should be producing things here too, especially the things which are necessary for us to function. PPE, semiconductors, etc.

I didn't say China. I said Asia. Taiwan and South Korea.

We do produce things here, but they cost significantly more and people don't want to pay the markup.

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Mr_Rian posted...

I didn't say China. I said Asia. Taiwan and South Korea.

We do produce things here, but they cost significantly more and people don't want to pay the markup.

I'm a fan of Taiwan and South Korea maintaining sovereignty and being their own independent countries, for sure. In any case, the true costs of not producing things here should have become apparent you to this last year.

Time to get off of depending on tight supply chains in just one or two countries abroad.

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pure_temper posted...

I'm a fan of Taiwan and South Korea maintaining sovereignty and being their own independent countries, for sure. In any case, the true costs of not producing things here should have become apparent you to this last year.

Time to get off of depending on tight supply chains in just one or two countries abroad.

You're saying a whole lot of nothing and it's clear you truly don't understand the situation, the facts, and reality itself. At the very least you should read up on the situation before trying to speak on it, sir.

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uhhh sir this is a wendy's

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I bet I wont be able to get my grubby hands on a PS5 until next year or some bull.

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pure_temper posted...

uhhh sir this is a wendy's

Stalolin posted...

I bet I wont be able to get my grubby hands on a PS5 until next year or some bull.

By then maybe there will actually be something good to play on it?

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Deep down I always knew he was the president for gamers

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@Mr_Rian

it's almost as if you didn't even read the fucking topic title or notice the shortage of PPE and ventilators and other shit this last year, and yet you are insisting i'm the one who doesn't understand reality or the costs of building stuff domestically. lmao get out of here dude.

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Stalolin posted...

I bet I wont be able to get my grubby hands on a PS5 until next year or some bull.

would you pay slightly extra for one produced on an American assembly line?


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pogo_rabid posted...

The more quickly all manufacturing is removed from china the better.

Fuck em

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pure_temper posted...

would you pay slightly extra for one produced on an American assembly line?

Yes I would.

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Stalolin posted...

Yes I would.

me too, and probably most people since wages would go up too and we could control working conditions

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pure_temper posted...

it's almost as if you didn't even read the fucking topic title or notice the shortage of PPE and ventilators and other shit this last year, and yet you are insisting i'm the one who doesn't understand reality or the costs of building stuff domestically. lmao get out of here dude.

It's almost as if you didn't know that American companies made PPE but they are too expensive to sell because no one wants to buy more expensive stuff just because it was made in America.

https://youtu.be/4rmP2IZl65M

Also American companies built ventilators(that are sitting unused mind you). But needing ventilators for a pandemic would probably be the only time we could sell those because most companies wouldn't pay a massive increase for "Made in the USA" ventilators, or many other items produced.

Again, you don't know what you are talking about.

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Unless Asia is knowingly relying on human exploitation to produce things so much cheaper than what you think Made in America needs to cost...we could produce more stuff here at that same efficiency you credited to China...with the same and even better automation. We are still the world leaders in software.

If it is exploitative then its not actually cheap. And if flakiness of supply is a problem like it was and clearly is right now, that too is a cost that needs to be considered when discussing costs.

plenty of support for made in America stuff

Im also not gonna watch a video so if you have an article i can read ill read it.

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pure_temper posted...

start caring about each other more.

He says while only caring about himself.

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there is also a known issue of knock-off PPE that is not actually effective... having been sold by Asia

so much for cheaper, when it doesnt even work

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SevenTenths posted...

He says while only caring about himself.

i support universal basic income, free college for all, free healthcare for all, renewable energy, etc.

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pure_temper posted...

Unless Asia is knowingly relying on human exploitation to produce things so much cheaper

Yes. That's precisely what they are doing.

I'm trying not to dump so much text into a post, but I keep leaving out so much, and I don't want to double post either.

The US does produce chips. But they don't do it as well as our Asian counterparts. Intel is lagging behind TSMC and Samsung, etc.

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Mr_Rian posted...

Yes. That's precisely what they are doing.

I'm trying not to dump so much text into a post, but I keep leaving out so much, and I don't want to double post either.

The US does produce chips. But they don't do it as well as our Asian counterparts. Intel is lagging behind TSMC and Samsung, etc.

oh so suddenly Asia doesnt have the most and best automation already they just rely on slave labor, got it


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pure_temper posted...

oh so suddenly Asia doesnt have the most and best automation already they just rely on slave labor, got it

With every post you are showing how little you know.

They have the automation, and they still exploit the workers that they do have. This isn't some kind of mutually exclusive thing.

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Mr_Rian posted...

With every post you are showing how little you know.

They have the automation, and they still exploit the workers that they do have. This isn't some kind of mutually exclusive thing.

they dont have good enough automation if they still need slave labor in order to cost less

and you keep ignoring the point about the true costs of lacking supply for shit when we need it. Or the known bad PPE that has come from Asia despite being cheaper

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This is one example of the automation we can build. Itll he hard but it can be done by all indications thus far.

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-revives-his-alien-dreadnought-factory-dream-for-batteries-2020-9

would reduce the need for human labor by a lot

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pure_temper posted...

i support universal basic income, free college for all, free healthcare for all, renewable energy, etc.

"I support things that benefit me look st how much I care! Now give me cheaper products because I care so much"

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SevenTenths posted...

"I support things that benefit me look st how much I care! Now give me cheaper products because I care so much"

i probably make close to what you do, seeing as were both in tech

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pure_temper posted...

they dont have good enough automation if they still need slave labor in order to cost less

and you keep ignoring the point about the true costs of lacking supply for shit when we need it. Or the known bad PPE that has come from Asia despite being cheaper

You really are showing your lack of knowledge, but it seems to go even deeper. It seems you lack the ability to comprehend.

I know you don't know anything at all about manufacturing, you've proven that repeatedly. But what level of automation do you think they have, who do you think is employed, and what do you think is needed to replace those workers, and if those workers are replaced with automation, what jobs would be left? And what stops these Asian countries from doing the exact same thing and STILL doing it cheaper? Especially China, who is known to be manipulating their currency to keep it artificially low.

And I'm not ignoring anything, you just aren't paying attention. Companies, Hospitals, and Governments right this moment can buy American made PPE. It's sitting in warehouses as we speak. But they don't because it's cheaper to buy from Asian countries.

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iirc Samsung and Taiwan Semiconductor plan to build new factories in the US, but semiconductor factories take a long time to build and are super expensive. The majority of chips are made by only a few manufacturers and gaming consoles and PCs are fighting for supply with several industries like auto manufacturers, cell phones, smart tvs, crypto miners, ect. A lot of the American auto industry messed up last year when they reduced/canceled their orders early in the pandemic and couldn't get more chips when they tried to order more.

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Now youre just piling on additional blabbering about no more jobs if we automate stuff, and still refusing to acknowledge the cheaper PPE that MULTIPLE countries imported from Asia only to find that it doesnt work.

just read that link about the Tesla factory of the future my dude. And this.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/small-business-owners-welcome-biden-s-order-buy-american-n1255765

im tired of talking with you so i wont bother addressing anything else you say on this. The current administration and basically everyone already is on board with the national security risks of too much dependence on foreign assembly of what we need. We will do it ourselves and better.

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pure_temper posted...

Now youre just piling on additional blabbering about no more jobs if we automate stuff

No, my point was how would this stop China from still undercutting because they can do the exact same things?

pure_temper posted...

and still refusing to acknowledge the cheaper PPE that MULTIPLE countries imported from Asia only to find that it doesnt work.

You are just that bad at comprehension then. I addressed this. Entities are choosing to roll the dice on cheap Chinese PPE, rather than expensive American PPE. I don't know what else you'd like me to address about this. This is reality. People are still buying from China despite the potential of poor quality. American made exist, and they are still buying from China.

pure_temper posted...

just read that link about the Tesla factory of the future my dude. And this.

The factory he tried before and failed? Yeah, it is the future. But it isn't the now. And when that future comes, Asians countries will still be the cheaper option, and that's what the buyers in the industries will largely go for.

pure_temper posted...

im tired of talking with you so i wont bother addressing anything else you say on this.

Good. You're terrible at this.

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Mr_Rian posted...

You are just that bad at comprehension then. I addressed this. Entities are choosing to roll the dice on cheap Chinese PPE, rather than expensive American PPE. I don't know what else you'd like me to address about this. This is reality. People are still buying from China despite the potential of poor quality. American made exist, and they are still buying from China.

i'll break my rule to say: and this is the entire fucking point. it's a national security issue and that's why two administrations in a row have supposedly been working to bolster domestic production so that economies of scale can make us competitive. and despite your commentary about American PPE not being sold, I just googled that and found articles to the contrary.

if we do enough of it, domestic manufacturing would compete with anywhere else on earth even with higher wages and some higher costs here. it would just mean a bit less profit for the fat cats.

at some point automation brings marginal costs of business down to near $0. when that happens, how would you undercut anymore?

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